Welsh camp sites to close from Friday

Wack said:
I'm not passing it on because I haven't got it , like 95% of the population
As I've said many times I'm complying with the law

My wife has had an antibody test , she hasn't had it either



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This is what I need explaining , people are being put into poverty , expected to live on 2/3 of minimum wage , hospitals aren't diagnosing or treating life threatening illnesses in the young, businesses closing down on a daily basis ,many never to reopen, the government handing out £billions to be paid back at some point no doubt by us because 128 people under 68 with underlying health conditions and 6 between 68-100 died over 6 days
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Firstly you don’t know if you have got it. Secondly you wife can still get it again or be a carrier. But that’s not the point, essential travel is excepted ie going to work if you cannot work at home but going off on a holiday is not essential travel and, even though the chances are small, you may pass albeit inadvertently to some other area. What’s not to understand.
 
Mikey RV said:
If everyone was made to wear a mask and then everyone was injected with common sense we would be on the road to recovery from this virus. (y)
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There is always one but I’m my experience mask compliance is very high , I’ve also never seen anyone in any shop since this started with flu like symptoms , not one

for deaths to be 128 people with underlying health conditions and 6 aged 68-100 in a week it must be young people are catching it and surviving.

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2x2camper said:
If your job can't be done from Nottingham and you want to be paid i expect the company will need you to travel to the customers premises to earn the cash.
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It can be done via telephone, for now.
Unfortunately, the method of doing the job in the eyes of "management" differs widely from those who are actually tasked with doing it.
The old adage applies:
Those who can, Do.
Those who can't, Teach!
People directing others from the security of their office and at vastly removed distance, taking parts of the guidance which suits them, and ignoring the fears and actual situation where work is to be carried out as reported back by those who are actually doing the job.
Money doesn't come into this for me
Health and Safety does.
Potential or possible death from an infection can be, and should be, planned to be avoided.
Seems to me that at present, with the advice published by gov. UK, Health England, the broadcast media, national newspapers, woman's realm, the Beano and my mate down the bookies who knows a man who's best friend used to work in Tesco with a degree in geography, that not only are we not playing the same game, we are not even on the same pitch!
 
For clarity of those who are interested in this situation, or following it to see if it gets to a popcorn moment, I will try and explain.
I am an employed Salesman of 34 years with various companies.
I am now part of a 4 man team covering the entire British Isles.
My colleagues live in various outpostings in England, and we each have a territory that we look after with customers inside of that territory.
My Area includes Liverpool and Merseyside, Thameside and Manchester, North and Mid Wales, Nottinghamshire, Derbyshire, Leicestershire, Lincolnshire, West Yorkshire, South Yorkshire, Staffordshire, Cheshire and Shropshire.
When lockdown occurred in March, we were all furloughed on 80% Pay until August, as their was not a lot we could do in calling on closed customers.This was paid by the Government and not our employer.
From August we returned full time
As it was deemed that the situation was improving, customers were tentatively operating and the general relaxing of some rules was applied.
So we were then able to travel wherever and whenever and even stay away on business, all be it on a much reduced food and accommodation capacity, but still following governmental protocols.
Then the infection rate started to once again gain momentum and figures of casualties emerged as increasing.
So, advice was stepped up on travel, but in all instances for work, was allowed.
We now have a situation on my area alone of 1 area on lockdown and 2 possibly to also go to tier 3, which will basically take out half of my customers for visiting for goodness knows when.
This time, if work is to be reduced, there is no furlough payment.
This time it is the Job retention scheme, but only for companies forced to close down temporarily until such time as they can re-open safely, commercially, and profitably.
Thus it is hoped that this scheme will help save jobs.
I am a realist, and if work dries up, takes a downturn or is restricted, even temporarily, our employment viability is questionable, so potentially, redundancy looms, but on this occasion now, the employer has to pay. No handouts, no £200 to pass go, nothing from the government.
Our company will not, rightly or otherwise, not entertain redundancies for the external sales team which is admirable BUT, we are tasked with completing so many calls per day, hence their insistence of it being perfectly ok to go swanning all over the country And including areas of High and Very high infection at present.
This then leaves us at a situation if we can’t go to, or have genuine fear of going to areas , and therefore of not having enough business to call upon, thus not being able to hit and excel above the required call rate, and thus being classed as under performing against said call rate.
So that then leads to a situation of not fulfilling your requirements in your contract of employment, despite explicit explanation of the current call situation, which thus leads to conflict and the opening up of the opportunity for the company to start disciplinary procedures unless improvement is seen, and if not, Dismissal!
And that path costs them not a penny, are then free to recruit If they wish on whatever salaries they seem fit, and possibly with a mentality of Yes sir, No Sir as they will probably be still wet behind the ears and have little knowledge of work, sales, the market we work within, and will probably be desperate to do anything , and ignore the fact that the virus is still around.
As a sales team, with over 90 years of specialist knowledge in our industry, we seem to count for nothing, possibly to be replaced by much younger and inexperienced people if we do not do as the “ management” see fit , and “sod the virus, you can still travel for work“ mentality.
It will be lovely to stop banging my head against a brick wall to get some rational understanding.
The question is, will the virus stop me dead first, or the wall be removed out of my reach?
All I and my colleagues want to do is work safely and realistically and be listened to in our fears and anxieties at this time.
We do not want to end up potentially spreading a virus or catching it ourselves when simple preventative measures can and should be followed by our company.
 
Has employment ever been any different? All companies are run for the benefit of the owners and shareholders not the employees. We have been here so many times in the past, it just takes something like the Three Day Week, extreme bad weather or the crash of 2008 to get the gloves off. I am by no means a socialist but have long known never to raise a concern with a manager unless you are willing to resign. If you back down they then know just how far they can push you and will continue to do so.

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Captain Yoghurtpot said:
For clarity of those who are interested in this situation, or following it to see if it gets to a popcorn moment, I will try and explain.
I am an employed Salesman of 34 years with various companies.
I am now part of a 4 man team covering the entire British Isles.
My colleagues live in various outpostings in England, and we each have a territory that we look after with customers inside of that territory.
My Area includes Liverpool and Merseyside, Thameside and Manchester, North and Mid Wales, Nottinghamshire, Derbyshire, Leicestershire, Lincolnshire, West Yorkshire, South Yorkshire, Staffordshire, Cheshire and Shropshire.
When lockdown occurred in March, we were all furloughed on 80% Pay until August, as their was not a lot we could do in calling on closed customers.This was paid by the Government and not our employer.
From August we returned full time
As it was deemed that the situation was improving, customers were tentatively operating and the general relaxing of some rules was applied.
So we were then able to travel wherever and whenever and even stay away on business, all be it on a much reduced food and accommodation capacity, but still following governmental protocols.
Then the infection rate started to once again gain momentum and figures of casualties emerged as increasing.
So, advice was stepped up on travel, but in all instances for work, was allowed.
We now have a situation on my area alone of 1 area on lockdown and 2 possibly to also go to tier 3, which will basically take out half of my customers for visiting for goodness knows when.
This time, if work is to be reduced, there is no furlough payment.
This time it is the Job retention scheme, but only for companies forced to close down temporarily until such time as they can re-open safely, commercially, and profitably.
Thus it is hoped that this scheme will help save jobs.
I am a realist, and if work dries up, takes a downturn or is restricted, even temporarily, our employment viability is questionable, so potentially, redundancy looms, but on this occasion now, the employer has to pay. No handouts, no £200 to pass go, nothing from the government.
Our company will not, rightly or otherwise, not entertain redundancies for the external sales team which is admirable BUT, we are tasked with completing so many calls per day, hence their insistence of it being perfectly ok to go swanning all over the country And including areas of High and Very high infection at present.
This then leaves us at a situation if we can’t go to, or have genuine fear of going to areas , and therefore of not having enough business to call upon, thus not being able to hit and excel above the required call rate, and thus being classed as under performing against said call rate.
So that then leads to a situation of not fulfilling your requirements in your contract of employment, despite explicit explanation of the current call situation, which thus leads to conflict and the opening up of the opportunity for the company to start disciplinary procedures unless improvement is seen, and if not, Dismissal!
And that path costs them not a penny, are then free to recruit If they wish on whatever salaries they seem fit, and possibly with a mentality of Yes sir, No Sir as they will probably be still wet behind the ears and have little knowledge of work, sales, the market we work within, and will probably be desperate to do anything , and ignore the fact that the virus is still around.
As a sales team, with over 90 years of specialist knowledge in our industry, we seem to count for nothing, possibly to be replaced by much younger and inexperienced people if we do not do as the “ management” see fit , and “sod the virus, you can still travel for work“ mentality.
It will be lovely to stop banging my head against a brick wall to get some rational understanding.
The question is, will the virus stop me dead first, or the wall be removed out of my reach?
All I and my colleagues want to do is work safely and realistically and be listened to in our fears and anxieties at this time.
We do not want to end up potentially spreading a virus or catching it ourselves when simple preventative measures can and should be followed by our company.
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This is now so far removed from welsh campsites, that maybe you should either start a new thread or go and look for a new job
 
jongood said:
This is now so far removed from welsh campsites, that maybe you should either start a new thread or go and look for a new job
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There is plenty other jobs if you are prepared to change, my son's mate is a dumper driver in a quary, every now and then he gets fed up with it, and gets on to an agency and be working somewhere else tomorrow, he is just prepared to do anything and never known him be out of work for more than a day or two.
 
68c said:
Has employment ever been any different? All companies are run for the benefit of the owners and shareholders not the employees.
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Funny that! Its almost like they take all the risk of financial ruin if it fails, so expect to benefit for their investment!
 
chaser said:
There is plenty other jobs if you are prepared to change, my son's mate is a dumper driver in a quary, every now and then he gets fed up with it, and gets on to an agency and be working somewhere else tomorrow, he is just prepared to do anything and never known him be out of work for more than a day or two.
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I have not been out of work since I left college in 1978, thanks.
No benefit claims or otherwise.
And my work has rarely been of a manual nature.

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donnkim said:
This virus is here to stay - get used to it. As salesmen we travel the country, perhaps putting ourselves at more risk from a rta than this or the next virus. Let’s get real!
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At 60, I think I am very real, as you so Delicately put it, but thanks for the empathy and reading.
 
Captain Yoghurtpot

Can you contacts with clients in tier 3 areas not be done over video calls as a temporary measure ?
I`m sure they`re just as keen to avoid contacts as you are
 
Figaro said:
Captain Yoghurtpot

Can you contacts with clients in tier 3 areas not be done over video calls as a temporary measure ?
I`m sure they`re just as keen to avoid contacts as you are
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Oh yes, but that's not apparently acceptable.
The company wants a physical face to face conversation so we can see what stock holding or competitors products are on show or being bought, or what lines they may be short of from our ranges.

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ADJF said:
Officialdom at it’s worst.
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Really - I'd have thought in light of the circumstances, cancelling the event would be common sense...
...nothing essential about a drive-in movie. Cheshire is already in high risk... teetering on being put into Tier 3.
 
Captain Yoghurtpot said:
For clarity of those who are interested in this situation, or following it to see if it gets to a popcorn moment, I will try and explain.
I am an employed Salesman of 34 years with various companies.
I am now part of a 4 man team covering the entire British Isles.
My colleagues live in various outpostings in England, and we each have a territory that we look after with customers inside of that territory.
My Area includes Liverpool and Merseyside, Thameside and Manchester, North and Mid Wales, Nottinghamshire, Derbyshire, Leicestershire, Lincolnshire, West Yorkshire, South Yorkshire, Staffordshire, Cheshire and Shropshire.
When lockdown occurred in March, we were all furloughed on 80% Pay until August, as their was not a lot we could do in calling on closed customers.This was paid by the Government and not our employer.
From August we returned full time
As it was deemed that the situation was improving, customers were tentatively operating and the general relaxing of some rules was applied.
So we were then able to travel wherever and whenever and even stay away on business, all be it on a much reduced food and accommodation capacity, but still following governmental protocols.
Then the infection rate started to once again gain momentum and figures of casualties emerged as increasing.
So, advice was stepped up on travel, but in all instances for work, was allowed.
We now have a situation on my area alone of 1 area on lockdown and 2 possibly to also go to tier 3, which will basically take out half of my customers for visiting for goodness knows when.
This time, if work is to be reduced, there is no furlough payment.
This time it is the Job retention scheme, but only for companies forced to close down temporarily until such time as they can re-open safely, commercially, and profitably.
Thus it is hoped that this scheme will help save jobs.
I am a realist, and if work dries up, takes a downturn or is restricted, even temporarily, our employment viability is questionable, so potentially, redundancy looms, but on this occasion now, the employer has to pay. No handouts, no £200 to pass go, nothing from the government.
Our company will not, rightly or otherwise, not entertain redundancies for the external sales team which is admirable BUT, we are tasked with completing so many calls per day, hence their insistence of it being perfectly ok to go swanning all over the country And including areas of High and Very high infection at present.
This then leaves us at a situation if we can’t go to, or have genuine fear of going to areas , and therefore of not having enough business to call upon, thus not being able to hit and excel above the required call rate, and thus being classed as under performing against said call rate.
So that then leads to a situation of not fulfilling your requirements in your contract of employment, despite explicit explanation of the current call situation, which thus leads to conflict and the opening up of the opportunity for the company to start disciplinary procedures unless improvement is seen, and if not, Dismissal!
And that path costs them not a penny, are then free to recruit If they wish on whatever salaries they seem fit, and possibly with a mentality of Yes sir, No Sir as they will probably be still wet behind the ears and have little knowledge of work, sales, the market we work within, and will probably be desperate to do anything , and ignore the fact that the virus is still around.
As a sales team, with over 90 years of specialist knowledge in our industry, we seem to count for nothing, possibly to be replaced by much younger and inexperienced people if we do not do as the “ management” see fit , and “sod the virus, you can still travel for work“ mentality.
It will be lovely to stop banging my head against a brick wall to get some rational understanding.
The question is, will the virus stop me dead first, or the wall be removed out of my reach?
All I and my colleagues want to do is work safely and realistically and be listened to in our fears and anxieties at this time.
We do not want to end up potentially spreading a virus or catching it ourselves when simple preventative measures can and should be followed by our company.
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I don't know whether you have explored the Health and Safety approach to the problem, but that is fundamentally at the centre of your issue with your employer. Have you seen their COVID risk assessment, and more specifically asked for an explanation of how it applies to your role?
This link takes you to a generic form of COVID risk assessment that shows the hazards and risks that need to be considered.
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In your particular case, one of the main risks I would have expected to be considered is that you are asymptomatic but carry the virus to several companies in the course of your visits for further transmission to their workforce.
 
I think your company are being unreasonable and not acting in a covid secure manner in expecting face to face contact.
Do you have a health and safety manager ? They would presumably have had input into your risk assessment and safe system of work protocol ?
 
Figaro said:
I think your company are being unreasonable and not acting in a covid secure manner in expecting face to face contact.
Do you have a health and safety manager ? They would presumably have had input into your risk assessment and safe system of work protocol ?
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No, it's all carried out by an external HR company who are retained.
Oh, and the company owner does not belive the virus is serious and the current guidelines and advice are political.
I give up.

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