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I’m in Southport and I intend to visit Liverpool tomorrow before moving into Cheshire
Are there park and rides or , if not a coach park close into the centre
I have a dog so I can’t go into any buildings of interest so I need maybe 4/5 hours
Best wishes
Chris
 
It's a great idea although you can't walk right along to Otterspool any longer and you need to change trains at either Moorfields or Central to get to St James Street.

Chris63, best look on here and you can bring up the both the Northern Line and Wirral Line.

I think that's correct but if you come into the city via lime Street it's an escalator ride down to the underground to James Street and short walk to River.
 
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Well, we went in today by train from Southport station, using the off peak tickets.

Neither of us had been to Liverpool before but wow, what a place! We saw only a fraction of what is to see, and didn’t do many of the things we would otherwise have done (museums, galleries etc) as we had the dogs in tow. An amazing mix of modern and traditional architecture which just feels so right.

As Arnie says, “I’ll be back”…probably for a couple of days hotel based break without the dogs.

Liverpool 1: Prejudices Nil.

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You could easily spend a week in Liverpool and not see it all.


Then another week exploring the hinterland - Wirral, Sefton Coast, etc.

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Well, we went in today by train from Southport station, using the off peak tickets.

Neither of us had been to Liverpool before but wow, what a place! We saw only a fraction of what is to see, and didn’t do many of the things we would otherwise have done (museums, galleries etc) as we had the dogs in tow. An amazing mix of modern and traditional architecture which just feels so right.

As Arnie says, “I’ll be back”…probably for a couple of days hotel based break without the dogs.

Liverpool 1: Prejudices Nil.

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Stripey building behind the Port Of Liverpool Building in pic 2 is the old White Star Line HQ where everyone queued back in 1912 after the Titanic sank. Square tower seen in pic 3 again behind the POL building is a cluster of fresh air intakes and exhaust funnels for the Queensway Tunnel - my gran walked through it when opened in the summer of 1934, she was 27.

When they began work on the Cunard building (middle one) in the late '90's they found loads of blank White Star line headed paper for both Britannic & Titanic behind wooden panelling. WSL relocated there again in 1934 due to the forced merger with Cunard.

Liver building, owned by Everton's owner and EFC's HQ... nuff said! COYB's!!!

Born and raised Scouser. Love my home city.
 
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. Square tower seen in pic 3 again behind the POL building is a cluster of fresh air intakes and exhaust funnels for the Queensway Tunnel - my gran walked through it when opened in the summer of 1934, she was 27.
Half of Merseyside joined your Gran that day - all my Mum and Dad's families did so.

The spoil from the Queensway tunnel was used to build the aforementioned Otterspool Promenade.

When the Bus strike was on (in 1968) I drove my car through it every day - on my way to work at Port Sunlight. But I only ever drove through it on my motorbike once - and never again!!!

Unless they've re-surfaced it the roadway is rutted into a series of 4 troughs and humps. (2 lanes each way).

Back in the 1960s all vehicles leaked oil - most of which (but not all) was washed away on the open road. But this didn't happen in the tunnel and the surface was covered in an oily slime. When it did rain - vehicles brought water on their tyres into the tunnel for the forst few hundred yards and this sections is quite steeply downhill. It was like a skating rink. Even worse - on a bike, if you drove on the "hump" you slid down into the trough and if you rode in the trough you were stuck in it - like being on tramlines - and you couldn;t really steer properly. Added to which the lighting was terrible - yellow I recall.
 
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The White Star Building, known locally as "Streaky Bacon", was designed by Norman Shaw, similar to his other famous work, London's Scotland Yard. Local-born owner and chairman of the WSL Bruce Ismay (the bloke with the moustache who's seen in all the films getting away in the last lifeboat) had his private office in the building.

If you look carefully, the top of the building has different brickwork. It was bombed in the blitz, and everything south and east of the photo for quite a distance was literally flattened, aside from the Queen Victoria monument, and the Telephone Exchange.
All around where the modern Liverpool ONE and the QEII Law Courts now stand, was gone...

 
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At the time of its opening, the Queensway Tunnel was described as "the eighth wonder of the world".

It was the longest sub-aqueous tunnel in the world - a title it held for 24 years, until overtaken by a tunnel in Japan, long after the war.

Almost 100 years later, I believe it remains this country's most ambitious municipal engineering project - built entirely by the Liverpool and Birkenhead councils.

My Dad was there, aged 6, on the day it was opened in 1934 by King George V and Queen Mary.
 
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I'm lucky. My Gran lived until she was 107 in 2014. All of us grandkids born between '64 (I'm No4 born in '68) & '71 were told great stories of the city as we grew up. On my dad's side, his uncle was at the wheel of the Lusitania when she was torpedoed and was sunk again during WWII. I grew up In blocks of Maisonettes on Prince Edwin St in Everton before we moved to Upper Warwick St. Went for a drive round there the other year and everything has changed. Half the streets I knew as a kid have gone so too have all of the blocks of flats surrounding Shaw St.
 
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My great grandmother was from "Scottie Road".

She had 12 children, including 2 sets of twins.

Only 3 children survived childhood.

That was the reality for the Irish immigrant in the 19th Century Liverpool, and my great grandmother was born after the worst of it.

At one point average life expectancy in Liverpool had been 17 years of age. [cholera, typhoid, horrendous child mortality]

But Liverpool rose to the occasion.

It was a Tory citadel and fiefdom (hard to believe now, when they get about 5% of the vote, but true!)

A combination of Tory paternalism and Liberal non-conformist philanthropy (wealthy merchant-families like the Rathbones) put Liverpool at the forefront of the world in social reform and municipal public health.

The country's first borough engineer, and medical officer for health, and environmental health officer.
The world's first integrated sewer system, designed by James Newlands.
The country's first council houses, organised by the Tory council in the 1860s !
The first school for girls.
The first school for the blind.
The first women's and children's hospitals.
The first district nurses, organised by William Rathbone.
The first public wash-houses, started by local woman Kitty Wilkinson.
NSPCC, Age Concern, Legal Aid and the CAB.
And Liverpool MP Eleanor Rathbone was responsible for the introduction of the Family Allowance.
 
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MillieMoocher so glad you enjoyed your brief trip to our fair City.
Hope you do get to come back sometime in the future.
Nice of you to let us know how it went.

I briefly worked in the ex White Star building when we took over a company based there.
My Grandfather was a member of the King and Queen's honour guard during the tunnel opening in 34.

There is or was a guided tour of the workings of the old tunnel that is well worth it if you get the chance. Takes you round the control room and through the service tunnels.
In your last pic the Square Tower is part air vent and control centre of the old tunnel.
 
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And, did you know, The Queensway Tunnel was used to film scenes for the film Harry Potter and the Deathly Hallows – Part 1 (2010). This provided Claire House children's hospice in Wirral with a £20,000 windfall, the money being paid to Merseytravel by Warner Brothers, the makers of the film, for use of the Tunnel as a location.[2]

In November 2012 scenes for the film Fast & Furious 6 (2013) were filmed in the Queensway Tunnel.[3]

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Liverpool is the second-most filmed city in the country, and has doubled for London, Paris, Chicago, New York, Moscow and Rome.

All the Jeremy Brett "Sherlock Holmes" were filmed in Liverpool. Peaky Blinders, Foyle's War, and the recent Ipcress File...





I've lost count of the number of adverts filmed in Liverpool.
 
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Where-else can you take a tea-dance in the finest Town Hall in the Country, among the finest mirrors and chandeliers in Europe, for a tenner?


Unchanged in 250 years. "second-only to the Winter Palace in St. Petersburg", said the future King Edward VII, in 1881.

It also has a fascinating history. The last act of the American Civil War occurred there, when the captain of the battleship CSS "Shenandoah" sailed up the Mersey and surrendered to the Lord Mayor of Liverpool in November 1865, after refusing to surrender to American forces for six months after the official end of the Civil War.

Liverpool, after all, was the "Home port" of the Confederacy, a hotbed of spies and intrigue, where the Confederate battleships had been secretly built...
 
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On films,
The new Batman film has a lot of its outdoor scenes filmed in the city.
Liver Buildings, St Georges Hall and the Anglican Cathedral formed Gotham City with clever CGI effects.

Numerous visitors walking tours cover lots of different subjects and are worth looking up, will even have to do a few myself.
 
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Theres some great info in this thread, we did wonder about the big structure which turned out to be air vents.

looking forward to return trip even more now 😎
It's a Grade II Art-Deco building, designed in "Egyptian-Revival" style by Herbert Rowse.

Sometimes referred to as "the Fourth Grace", it contains offices and the tunnel control station, as well as the ventilation shaft for the tunnel. The tunnel tour begins here.

The Art Deco street furniture around the building includes an original toll booth.
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Very few people know or notice the air vent shaft on North John Street, I never knew until did the tunnel tour.
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KINGS DOCK STREET car park is where we always park when visiting Liverpool - its extremely well placed & just 5 minutes walk from the attractions of ‘L1’ and centre.
I’ve never seen any problems or vandalism during our VERY frequent visit.
it’s located in the shell of a large factory, room for at least 200 cars / vans, £5 for the day.
As with anywhere in the country - there’s always a risk BUT in my opinion Liverpool is no longer a vandals playground.
NO HEIGHT BARRIERS !
Liverpool is a marvellous place to visit - plenty of museums etc.
hope you have a great time !
 
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KINGS DOCK STREET car park is where we always park when visiting Liverpool - its extremely well placed & just 5 minutes walk from the attractions of ‘L1’ and centre.
I’ve never seen any problems or vandalism during our VERY frequent visit.
it’s located in the shell of a large factory, room for at least 200 cars / vans, £5 for the day.
As with anywhere in the country - there’s always a risk BUT in my opinion Liverpool is no longer a vandals playground.
NO HEIGHT BARRIERS !
Liverpool is a marvellous place to visit - plenty of museums etc.
hope you have a great time !
I've not used this place myself, but there are plenty of unhappy customers being given PCN fines, according to reviews.

I would still recommend parking outside the city (for free at Hall Road station, Blundellsands, fifteen minutes from the M57/M58) and using the great rail network. 18-20 minutes in to central Liverpool.

There are four underground stations that can whisk you around the centre in a jiffy to see all the major sights.

Moorfields
for the Pier Head, ferries, business district, the Georgian Town Hall, Mathew Street, Water Street, Castle Street, Dale Street.

Lime Street
for the cultural quarter, St. George's Hall, St. John's Gardens, World Museum, Walker Art Gallery, Central Library, William Brown Street.

Central
for the Cathedrals, St. James's Cemetery, Bold Street, The Bluecoat, Rodney Street, Hope Street, Philharmonic Pub, Adelphi Hotel, Georgian Quarter, Chinatown.

James Street
same attractions as Moorfields, plus the Albert Dock and Liverpool ONE.

The trains operate in a clockwise circle, and your connections back to Hall Road are at either Moorfields or Central, on the Northern Line (trains marked Southport).
 
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Two great documentaries on Liverpool Architecture...






If architecture is your thing, pick up the excellent Pevsner Liverpool Architectural Guide, (second-hand) for a few quid, on Amazon.

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Quite good documentary on the history of England's most un-English city - LIverpool...

 
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