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[The Wino]

Viruses and bacteria live with us and always have done. Completely eradicating an organism that makes us sick is a noble aim but is not one that is easy to achieve. Are you suggesting that we will always be "in the woods" until Covid-19 is eradicated?

Smallpox was completely eradicated, worldwide in 1980. However, it took more than 200 years and a worldwide vaccination program to eradicate this disease.

I think covid will continue to pose a risk in the long term with waves of infection of differing severity. I don't think we will return to a totally pre covid world where we interact totally as before. I think we will return to a world much more like the one we used to inhabit what it's like we will have to wait and see.
It could be our world has returned to the old old normal as I'm pretty sure in waves of smallpox infection people would not have continued their lives totally unchanged but modified their actions to try and limit risk albiet with little knowledge of what the infection was.

 

[deleted79651]

We're a long way from the toilets and showers

Not too far I hope ... As Eric Morecambe remarked to 'Mr Preview' 'about this far, Mr Preview' [stretching arms out wide] #

Steve

 

[Coolcats]

I would stop and explain the difference between phobia and paranoia, but if I were to do so, they would catch up with me ...

Steve

Nice one

 

[Eggs]

This is on the Government website, but there's been no official announcement.

If you’re in an area where the new COVID-19 variant is spreading​

This new variant is sometimes referred to as the variant first identified in India. It is spreading fastest in:

• Bedford Borough Council
• Blackburn with Darwen Borough Council
• Bolton Metropolitan Borough Council
• Burnley Borough Council
• Kirklees Council
• Leicester City Council
• London Borough of Hounslow
• North Tyneside Council

The new COVID-19 variant spreads more easily from person to person. To help stop the spread, you should take particular caution when meeting anyone outside your household or support bubble.
In the areas listed above, wherever possible, you should try to:

• meet outside rather than inside where possible
• keep 2 metres apart from people that you don’t live with (unless you have formed a support bubble with them), this includes friends and family you don’t live with
• avoid travelling in and out of affected areas unless it is essential, for example for work (if you cannot work from home) or education

You should also:

• Get tested twice a week for free and isolate if you are positive
• Continue to work from home if you can
• Get vaccinated when you are offered it, and encourage others to do so as well.

You should get tested for COVID-19. This includes:

• Arranging to have a PCR test if you have symptoms of COVID-19
• Participating in surge testing in your local area
• Getting regular rapid tests if you do not have symptoms of coronavirus (COVID-19)

​

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The Mayor of West Yorkshire was on the wireless earlier she said the first she heard of it was when a reporter rang her office to ask for a statement about it.

 

[Ivory55]

The Mayor of West Yorkshire was on the wireless earlier she said the first she heard of it was when a reporter rang her office to ask for a statement about it.

Is that the failed actress ?

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[Eggs]

Is that the failed actress ?

I've no idea who she is.

After having a look it seems so, I just seen her picture and still wouldn't know who she is.

 

[Ivory55]

I've no idea who she is.

After having a look it seems so, I just seen her picture and still wouldn't know who she is.

Think it was in east enders

 

[The Wino]

Is that the failed actress ?

Aren't all politicians! Come on narrow it down.

 

[pandas]

If it is a World figure then the posting at #91 is not relevant to the UK as with the vaccine program our death figures are now tiny, so we don't need any scaremongering from the WHO.

It quite sure of what you are not understanding here. The quote 91 posted was from the WHO, the pandemic is a World wide issue. They said every country needs to be cautious no matter how many within that county has been vaccinated - why then do you believe it should not relate to the UK? This is not scaremongering simply a piece of reality that you could ignore if but the more prudent, particularly with what has been going on elsewhere, would be advised by it. Those that are using their energy here to blame the government for not communicating the 8 locations within the UK that are more vulnerable right now might possibly be better to focus on the implications were this to take hold again. Just being critical doesn’t help.

 

[The Wino]

It quite sure of what you are not understanding here. The quote 91 posted was from the WHO, the pandemic is a World wide issue. They said every country needs to be cautious no matter how many within that county has been vaccinated - why then do you believe it should not relate to the UK? This is not scaremongering simply a piece of reality that you could ignore if but the more prudent, particularly with what has been going on elsewhere, would be advised by it. Those that are using their energy here to blame the government for not communicating the 8 locations within the UK that are more vulnerable right now might possibly be better to focus on the implications were this to take hold again. Just being critical doesn’t help.

I'm critical not of them publishing the locations but for not doing it properly (again) trusting peoples common sense rather than enforcement (again) and not taking any other measures.
It's either a serious potential risk so take serious action or don't. By the way in case you think I'm biased John Ashworth was on the radio trying to score political points on it (prat) rather than try to protect the health of his constituents.

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[Sandancers]

It quite sure of what you are not understanding here. The quote 91 posted was from the WHO, the pandemic is a World wide issue. They said every country needs to be cautious no matter how many within that county has been vaccinated - why then do you believe it should not relate to the UK? This is not scaremongering simply a piece of reality that you could ignore if but the more prudent, particularly with what has been going on elsewhere, would be advised by it. Those that are using their energy here to blame the government for not communicating the 8 locations within the UK that are more vulnerable right now might possibly be better to focus on the implications were this to take hold again. Just being critical doesn’t help.

OK, so if the Indian variant does spread within the UK, which sections of the population do you expect to be hospitalised or even die ?

Would that be the people who have had both injections?

Would that be the younger members of the population who have had one injection ?

Would that be the 18+age group who may not have been vaccinated at all, but so far have had really small instances of being badly affected by CV_19 ?

 

[Sandancers]

I'm critical not of them publishing the locations but for not doing it properly (again) trusting peoples common sense rather than enforcement (again) and not taking any other measures.
It's either a serious potential risk so take serious action or don't. By the way in case you think I'm biased John Ashworth was on the radio trying to score political points on it (prat) rather than try to protect the health of his constituents.

Careful, your straying into political stuff there, don't want this thread locked please.

 

[The Wino]

OK, so if the Indian variant does spread within the UK, which sections of the population do you expect to be hospitalised or even die ?

Would that be the people who have had both injections?

Would that be the younger members of the population who have had one injection ?

Would that be the 18+age group who may not have been vaccinated at all, but so far have had really small instances of being badly affected by CV_19 ?

So would you be in favour of the government just making it clear we can all behave as we like but if hospital cases get above say 3,000 it's going to have to be back to a lockdown (maybe in stages hospitality first) given the waiting list situation for other conditions as we can't afford to end up having to close other services again?

 

[The Wino]

Careful, your straying into political stuff there, don't want this thread locked please.

I thought it was a balanced chip on both shoulders reply!

 

[Sandancers]

So would you be in favour of the government just making it clear we can all behave as we like but if hospital cases get above say 3,000 it's going to have to be back to a lockdown (maybe in stages hospitality first) given the waiting list situation for other conditions as we can't afford to end up having to close other services again?

Your asking a question in reply to my question, simple question repeated below;


OK, so if the Indian variant does spread within the UK, which sections of the population do you expect to be hospitalised or even die ?

Would that be the people who have had both injections?

Would that be the younger members of the population who have had one injection ?

Would that be the 18+age group who may not have been vaccinated at all, but so far have had really small instances of being badly affected by CV_19 ?

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[The Wino]

Your asking a question in reply to my question, simple question repeated below;


OK, so if the Indian variant does spread within the UK, which sections of the population do you expect to be hospitalised or even die ?

Would that be the people who have had both injections?

Would that be the younger members of the population who have had one injection ?

Would that be the 18+age group who may not have been vaccinated at all, but so far have had really small instances of being badly affected by CV_19 ?

Possibly some of all the groups does it matter which unless you're thinking of not treating people who are not vaccinated. Now answer the suggestion should we have a number at which we reintroduce measures to reduce spread. After all if you're right it will never happen.

 

[Sandancers]

Possibly some of all the groups does it matter which unless you're thinking of not treating people who are not vaccinated. Now answer the suggestion should we have a number at which we reintroduce measures to reduce spread. After all if you're right it will never happen.

OK, a number at which we should introduce draconian restrictions is when there is 1000 deaths per day in hospitals. Which will never happen until and unless there is a new variant which can evade the vaccines.

Now you give me a number for each of the groups I indicated above who you think will die each day. As "Possibly some of all the groups" could be any number from 1 to 1000 or more.

 

[138go]

It's absolutely accepted that age is the most important factor causing morbidity and mortality, from Covid. That's why the vaccination programme started from the top and worked down.

Others who are vulnerable to the effects of Covid, i.e. those with certain illnesses etc., have also been prioritised.

The old and vulnerable have now been offered two vaccines and in fact figures show a very high take up in these groups.

The over 30s are currently being vaccinated and many people who have had just one vaccination so far, are being called in earlier for their second jab.

Data shows that after two vaccinations, protection is good, even against the Indian Variant.

Therefore, I would argue that, as things stand, we're in a good position.

 

[PhilMary]

You have missed out the ventilate bit !

In a pub yesterday afternoon got told to wear a mask from the door to the table, but the pub had all the windows shut. If the windows had been open then the virus would be blown away. Not that I was too bothered, I was happy as a guy with two pricks (and three weeks).

Speaking from experience campsite toilets and showers are the draftiest places on Earth so therefore pretty safe from CV_19.

Not drafty here at Dale Farm near Bakewell. And I can tell you from this week's experience that they are way ahead on the "continental" stakes. UNI-SEX toilets. Oh, what is the world coming too having to brush my teeth next to one of the opposite sex .

 

[The Wino]

OK, a number at which we should introduce draconian restrictions is when there is 1000 deaths per day in hospitals. Which will never happen until and unless there is a new variant which can evade the vaccines.

Now you give me a number for each of the groups I indicated above who you think will die each day. As "Possibly some of all the groups" could be any number from 1 to 1000 or more.

If we introduce measures at 1000 a day dying in hospitals how many do you expect would be in hospital and what do you recon would be the death toll in that wave.
I've got no idea how many would be from each group how could anyone. What are you getting at with wanting to know.

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[Sandancers]

If we introduce measures at 1000 a day dying in hospitals how many do you expect would be in hospital and what do you recon would be the death toll in that wave.
I've got no idea how many would be from each group how could anyone. What are you getting at with wanting to know.

Well, you asked for a number from me about CV_19 death rates so I thought I'd ask the same of you.

But apart from that, this is from tonight's BBC news (my bolding in black);


A hospital in Bolton has said it is taking "urgent action" to manage a surge in patients with Covid-19.
Royal Bolton Hospital said it had experienced "one of the busiest days ever" and urged people to attend A&E only "if absolutely necessary".
Greater Manchester Mayor Andy Burnham said the government made a "major communications error" in not announcing new Covid travel advice for the town.
Bolton is among the areas hardest hit by the Indian variant of the virus.
The town recorded 452 cases per 100,000 people in the week to 21 May, the highest in England.
There were 865 cases recorded in the week to 14 May, rising to 1,300 the following week.

Royal Bolton said it was also placing an "increased focus on discharges to free bed space".
Deputy chief executive Andy Ennis said a number of patients were discharged overnight but 41 patients with Covid remained on the wards, with eight in critical care.

Manchester City Council leader Sir Richard Leese, who is also health and care lead for the Greater Manchester Combined Authority, said the number of Covid patients at the hospital was still less than a third of what it was at the peak of the pandemic.

He said: "Even though there is a high proportion of cases, that high proportion of cases is not translating into significant increases in hospitalisation, and, more importantly, it is not leading to more people in ICU."

He said those being admitted included people aged 35 to 60, and although some would have been eligible for one or two vaccinations, a bigger number of patients had only recently become eligible for the jab.
Mr Ennis said the hospital was "taking urgent actions to ensure we can continue to manage this demand effectively".
"Going into the bank holiday weekend and half term, which is always a busy time for the NHS, we anticipate this pressure continuing," he said.
"We urge the public to continue to take all necessary steps to protect themselves and others, follow the relevant national guidance, and to only attend our emergency department if absolutely necessary."

Advice against non-essential travel to Bolton in Greater Manchester and for people there to meet outside where possible was issued on 14 May.
The advice for Blackburn, Burnley, Kirklees, Bedford, Leicester, Hounslow and North Tyneside was published online on Friday, on a page in a section of the government's website which deals with the Covid-19 restrictions, and urges "an extra cautious approach".
In a joint statement, public health directors from all eight areas reiterated that the advice was guidance only.
They said they had been assured by government officials there were no legal restrictions on travel in or out of each of the areas and "no local lockdowns".
"We are all working together to boost testing and vaccination and to support self-isolation," they said, and also urged people to continue taking "sensible public health precautions".
Speaking during a virtual press conference, Mr Burnham said: "It would appear guidance was reissued on Friday but has been amended and it would appear to put more emphasis around travel, hence the confusion that has been created.
"Nobody in our system was told about this change in the presentation of the guidance."
Royal Bolton Hospital said there were 41 patients with Covid on its wards
Asked if residents should cancel holidays, Bolton Council leader David Greenhalgh said they should "just behave sensibly".
He said after speaking with government officials "there are no added restrictions coming to Bolton, there is no local lockdown".
A spokesman for the Department of Health and Social Care said the government website would be updated to "make it clearer" local restrictions were not being imposed.
Advice about additional precautions people can take living in the areas would also be added, he said.
"This includes, wherever possible, trying to meet outdoors rather than indoors, keeping two metres apart from anyone you don't live with and minimising travel in and out the area."

 

[gus-lopez]

Apparently the people living in those areas shouldn’t be travelling out of these areas but out Government forgot to actually tell them!

If they hadn't been travelling out of & into these areas via India previously they wouldn't be in the situation .they didn't take any notice before so why would they now?
AS I said at the outset you need to encicrle the places & not let any in/out

World deaths in that quote ?

Yes. He means in next 3 weeks the total will increase by more than last years world total.More nonsensical figures.

we like but if hospital cases get above say 3,000 it's going to

We have 5,412 in hospital here which is 4,34% of total available beds including all those in icu. No chance of even thinking about a lockdown.
You don't have enough beds in total in the UK with 2,58beds per 1000 population when here we have 2,63beds per 1000 population ,so far in excess of the UK when we have 20 million population less. & here there is a requirement of 20 hospital beds per 100k but it is only half that amount but the amount is still 50% more than the UK

 

[The Wino]

Well, you asked for a number from me about CV_19 death rates so I thought I'd ask the same of you.

But apart from that, this is from tonight's BBC news (my bolding in black);


A hospital in Bolton has said it is taking "urgent action" to manage a surge in patients with Covid-19.
Royal Bolton Hospital said it had experienced "one of the busiest days ever" and urged people to attend A&E only "if absolutely necessary".
Greater Manchester Mayor Andy Burnham said the government made a "major communications error" in not announcing new Covid travel advice for the town.
Bolton is among the areas hardest hit by the Indian variant of the virus.
The town recorded 452 cases per 100,000 people in the week to 21 May, the highest in England.
There were 865 cases recorded in the week to 14 May, rising to 1,300 the following week.

Royal Bolton said it was also placing an "increased focus on discharges to free bed space".
Deputy chief executive Andy Ennis said a number of patients were discharged overnight but 41 patients with Covid remained on the wards, with eight in critical care.

Manchester City Council leader Sir Richard Leese, who is also health and care lead for the Greater Manchester Combined Authority, said the number of Covid patients at the hospital was still less than a third of what it was at the peak of the pandemic.

He said: "Even though there is a high proportion of cases, that high proportion of cases is not translating into significant increases in hospitalisation, and, more importantly, it is not leading to more people in ICU."

He said those being admitted included people aged 35 to 60, and although some would have been eligible for one or two vaccinations, a bigger number of patients had only recently become eligible for the jab.
Mr Ennis said the hospital was "taking urgent actions to ensure we can continue to manage this demand effectively".
"Going into the bank holiday weekend and half term, which is always a busy time for the NHS, we anticipate this pressure continuing," he said.
"We urge the public to continue to take all necessary steps to protect themselves and others, follow the relevant national guidance, and to only attend our emergency department if absolutely necessary."

Advice against non-essential travel to Bolton in Greater Manchester and for people there to meet outside where possible was issued on 14 May.
The advice for Blackburn, Burnley, Kirklees, Bedford, Leicester, Hounslow and North Tyneside was published online on Friday, on a page in a section of the government's website which deals with the Covid-19 restrictions, and urges "an extra cautious approach".
In a joint statement, public health directors from all eight areas reiterated that the advice was guidance only.
They said they had been assured by government officials there were no legal restrictions on travel in or out of each of the areas and "no local lockdowns".
"We are all working together to boost testing and vaccination and to support self-isolation," they said, and also urged people to continue taking "sensible public health precautions".
Speaking during a virtual press conference, Mr Burnham said: "It would appear guidance was reissued on Friday but has been amended and it would appear to put more emphasis around travel, hence the confusion that has been created.
"Nobody in our system was told about this change in the presentation of the guidance."
Royal Bolton Hospital said there were 41 patients with Covid on its wards
Asked if residents should cancel holidays, Bolton Council leader David Greenhalgh said they should "just behave sensibly".
He said after speaking with government officials "there are no added restrictions coming to Bolton, there is no local lockdown".
A spokesman for the Department of Health and Social Care said the government website would be updated to "make it clearer" local restrictions were not being imposed.
Advice about additional precautions people can take living in the areas would also be added, he said.
"This includes, wherever possible, trying to meet outdoors rather than indoors, keeping two metres apart from anyone you don't live with and minimising travel in and out the area."

Good news on the bolded bit.