Starlink ordered… I feel it’s the only sensible option now..

[Carpmart]

With Starlink your link is dependant on two issues: 1) can your terminal see a satellite and 2) can the satellite get to an earth based down station.

When Starlink add down stations they will often steer their customers to use satellites “closer” to the down station. This is probably why your dish has moved. If there is a new ground station on line then you are getting moved so as to use satellites that can use it.

One of the other main issues for Starlink is that they have to be careful not to interfere with existing satellite services which all tend to be in geostationary orbits and so satellites have to stop transmitting to down stations when they run the risk of interfering.

So you may see all those satellites on a globe and assume you will be able to use any that are in sight but it is not like that only some will be available for you at a particular location on the earth and the position of a suitable ground station is also very important as to which you can use.

There is a plan to add higher level satellites using optical links (which won’t interfere with existing geostationary satellites) this will improve the situation and allow each satellite more access to ground stations as there will be a backbone above them to give new ways to get to a ground stations without interfering.

It’s all described in the FCC filing made by SpaceX a quick search will get you a lot more details!

Happy satellite hunting!

I’m touring in France and moving every day or couple of days… dishy, as we travel further North through France has moved from pointing N (when in southern Spain) to NW. my guess is it’s satellite density and their orbit driving this.

 

[Gromett]

Yes the globe is a nice display, it shows the ground stations as red dots. It’s however not really going to help predict where your antenna is going to point as there is a lot more involved than just seeing a satellite - the position of ground stations and the way Starlink decides which satellites you can use are out of your hands and does change over time. This will explain why even if you don’t move positions the antenna pointing might suddenly change.

Ok. appears you missed the obvious bit that no orbits are above the north of England/Scotlands. The majority of the satellites are south of the bulk of the UK so that is where the dish is likely to point.
There is no point pointing north in the UK as there will be very few satellites in that direction.

 

[Gromett]

I’m touring in France and moving every day or couple of days… dishy, as we travel further North through France has moved from pointing N (when in southern Spain) to NW. my guess is it’s satellite density and their orbit driving this.

Yup.

 

[MisterB]

Power over internet POE puts the power on the same lines as the data. It does not impact the speed of the data at all, so all things being equal you can use POE without impacting the speed of data.

This is because the data on each pair of wires in an Ethernet cable are transmitted as a difference signal between the two wires of the pair. Without POE this difference is around about 0v and with POE the difference is around whatever voltage the POE injector adds. It results in the same difference voltage so data is unaffected.

Hope I explained this well enough! Good luck with your hacking!

Thanks for that, I am happy to use POE but due to the way the hack works I CANNOT put voltage into the starlink via the usual connection. Do you have experience of using a splitter to 'remove' the power once inside the enclosure? If a splitter can be relied on to remove the POE then I can just use one cable, otherwise I will need to use two cables, one for data and one for power.
If you're unsure if what I am trying to do, look at the you tube video from AUSY8, I am just trying to improve on his use of Oleg Klutciv's research.

 

[Gromett]

Quick question. I have finally started my contract with Starlink for the 1st time since buying it a year ago.
I just noticed that the heater was running and using electric. It is 7°C here. Is that normal? Seems rather a high temp for it to be triggered?

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[Tombola]

Quick question. I have finally started my contract with Starlink for the 1st time since buying it a year ago.
I just noticed that the heater was running and using electric. It is 7°C here. Is that normal? Seems rather a high temp for it to be triggered?

Never noticed mine on tbh but I did notice there is no setting that can be changed in the app for specific on and off temps when setting up a while ago.

edit...seen this below on the forum

"If the dish senses signal attenuation, such as due to rain, it will heat in an attempt to "burn through" it. Could this be what you're seeing?"

"Mine also says heating but in debug data it does not have a green light to indicate heating is on. I don't think it is actually heating."

 

[matbic]

Thanks for that, I am happy to use POE but due to the way the hack works I CANNOT put voltage into the starlink via the usual connection. Do you have experience of using a splitter to 'remove' the power once inside the enclosure? If a splitter can be relied on to remove the POE then I can just use one cable, otherwise I will need to use two cables, one for data and one for power.
If you're unsure if what I am trying to do, look at the you tube video from AUSY8, I am just trying to improve on his use of Oleg Klutciv's research.

Yes you can get what is called a “passive” POE injector like this. They come as a pair. What you put in at one end comes out of the other! The data is unaffected.

Or you can use a POE “splitter” this gets the voltage off an Ethernet cable that has a standard POE injector connected at the other end. This can be 5,9,12 or 48 volts depending on what splitter you get. search on Amazon for “Poe splitter” I find they are rather unreliable so you must be able to get to it to replace it if it fails.

Hope this helps.

 

[MisterB]

Yes you can get what is called a “passive” POE injector like this. They come as a pair. What you put in at one end comes out of the other! The data is unaffected.

Hope this helps.

thanks, from other 'sources' though, all 8 wires are used to transmit data, the suggested item uses 'two unused' wires. if i went down that route, when it entered the enclosure i could simply divert the two power wires to the 12v input without using the poe splitter. This was similar to my original thought process, so could work. i could also just wire a 12v supply direct to the source cable at the other end, so a POE injector wouldnt be required??

what i am unsure about is if i wire the ethernet cable up from the router, to only used 6 wires, which wires should it be ?? would it function with only 6 and not 8 data outputs?

 

[matbic]

thanks, from other 'sources' though, all 8 wires are used to transmit data, the suggested item uses 'two unused' wires. if i went down that route, when it entered the enclosure i could simply divert the two power wires to the 12v input without using the poe splitter. This was similar to my original thought process, so could work. i could also just wire a 12v supply direct to the source cable at the other end, so a POE injector wouldnt be required??

what i am unsure about is if i wire the ethernet cable up from the router, to only used 6 wires, which wires should it be ?? would it function with only 6 and not 8 data outputs?

Sorry I pressed send before finishing - you can use a POE splitter and normal injector this does not need a spare pair.

 

[MisterB]

matbic

did you press too soon again? i assume there was a link where you used the word 'this' ...?

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[Carpmart]

MisterB

This = https://proto-pic.co.uk/product/sparkfun-cab-10759-passive-poe-cable-set

 

[matbic]

What is wrong with using these neat looking products to power your Starlink over a single cable?

 

[Red Dragon]

Hi can anybody give a link for better(good) sheilded rj45 connectors and pass-through crimper please, I have just used cheapies with very poor results.
Steve.

 

[sarumsteve]

Well I have a BT sim (now EE and my wife has that) both do not charge for data in Europe and our costs are £15 each per month for 50GB of data each so streaming TV is not a problem either

I'm on ID mobile. 30gb £4 pcm. Can use it all roaming. Any unused rolls over to next month. Travelling through Spain and Portugal. Perfect 4G everywhere.

 

[07790]

Sadly from the end of the month it is no longer availabl

Sadly from the end of the month it is no longer available.

Well I have just had my June invoice from Tiekom and it is not showing any changes, who said its finishing at the end of the month

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[Carpmart]

07790 - LOL..my post was 14 months ago and 2,000 posts on this thread!

The service I was referring to was being and indeed was temporarily withdrawn by Tiekom. They have since launched a new service which you’re happily enjoying.

 

[Madcaravanner]

I'm on ID mobile. 30gb £4 pcm. Can use it all roaming. Any unused rolls over to next month. Travelling through Spain and Portugal. Perfect 4G everywhere.

WE upgraded our EE contracts paying £13 for fully unlimited service on a monthly rolling contract and still without a fair use policy too

 

[Gromett]

Ars Live: How Profitable is Starlink? Join our discussion today!

Eric Berger and Caleb Henry discuss the orbital ISP’s economics at 2 pm Eastern.

arstechnica.com

 

[Carpmart]

Ars Live: How Profitable is Starlink? Join our discussion today!

Eric Berger and Caleb Henry discuss the orbital ISP’s economics at 2 pm Eastern.

arstechnica.com

I remember a forum debate on this a year ago!

 

[BikerJon]

Now that the Camino (Tiekom) service has had its day and the continued roaming data challenges, as well as crappy data service in the UK, I’ve had enough of pratting around as I just want always on, full service broadband wherever I am.

So, the solution (I hope) is a Starlink Roam order was placed today. £460 for the hardware, £95 per month for the service. I know some may consider this expensive but I will no longer need a data tariff SIM in the UK for the Netgear, nor will I need the Tiekom data SIM for between 5 and 8 months per year and I can knock back the Popit SIMs to 10Gig each, so the difference is not that great really.

I’ve worked out a spot on the roof where I will be fitting a small frame to mount the dish whilst parked up. It will be a couple of mins job to climb ladder and four wing nuts to secure, connect the cable and job is done!

The cable will be permanently installed through the roof into my existing media cupboard and at present I will power from my main inverter, but I may switch to a small 250w Victron pure sine wave inverter just for this in the future, so I don’t have to leave the main inverter on all the time.

Starlink quote around one KWh of power consumption per day. The peak power consumption is 75w and average consumption seems to be in the 35w range (230v power ratings). Many North American RV users are suggesting that the power consumption is way better than Starlink suggest and better than they expected.

A new feature from Starlink should help with power use as you can set ‘night periods’ where the system shuts down during set hours to reduce power consumption. I’ve ordered and will fit another 200w solar panel to augment the existing solar. I actually needed a larger Amperage Victron MPPT and some bigger cable to the batteries as well, so not the cheapest exercise…

I’ve purchased a compact almost purpose designed electrical box to store the 75ft cable in on the roof when travelling. This will enable me to move the dish from the roof to the ground should I have obstacles obstructing the dish, but very easily without too much faff.

Will try and document a ‘how I did it’ incase it is of interest and or use to others and will of course let everyone know how good (I hope) this is…..

the expectation and promise from Starlink matches real world performance. Watch this space!

I have my phone tethered to the TV and sound bar on my ID mobile SIM. 150gb a month that carries forward unused data, so 300 GB this month I'm in France and Spain.
Costs me £12.00 a month and it is on a roam like home basis. Had it for a couple of years now and it is indeed roam like home. The only place it didn't work was Switzerland, everywhere else brilliant, no signal problems.
Unfortunately I think ID Mobile has brought in a 12gb cap for new contracts.

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[zac]

Hi can anybody give a link for better(good) sheilded rj45 connectors and pass-through crimper please, I have just used cheapies with very poor results.
Steve.

Usually buy mine from these people HERE

 

[zac]

Cheapest I've seen the kit for a long time now £150 from curry's don't know how long for though and it's the accuated version ie motor dishy. Here probably selling off the old stock so won't be for long.
Just checked starlink.com and they are offering the same but plus postage. Deffo selling off old stock

 

[MisterB]

It's ALIVE, Frankenstarlinkstein is alive, 12v supply direct to the hacked dish!

So it does work .... but do I have the time or inclination to sort out a one cable feed or just stick everything together as it is ....

 

[Carpmart]

Good stuff!

 

[MisterB]

Spoke too soon. I can't establish an internet connection, which I assume is an issue to do with the router as opposed to the technicalities of the connections etc. at least I know it's not an issue with starlink as it wouldn't have updated, so it must be a router set up issue.
I will try q different router but I'm pleased with how it's gone so far. At least I haven't broken anything lol ...... apart from the casing, original router, cable and the odd one or two components being removed from dishy ....

and now its reconnected itself ...... im convinced its a router issue otherwise why would it keep showing as connected ... i am going to leave as it is for an hour and see if it sorts iteslf out, if not then i will try a different router - unless anyone has any suggestions that arent too technical

the router is a GL-inet 1300 ..

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[ceejayt]

You’re a braver man than me to get the convenience. I like just plugging it in all standard

 

[MisterB]

You’re a braver man than me to get the convenience. I like just plugging it in all standard

Thankfully I did buy two at the time, in case I had any problems, but you're right it is a lot of faff just to save a bit of power, not sorry I've done it as I've enjoyed messing about, but I get nothing more than you do out of starlink other than a lot of wasted hours on the internet.....

 

[faraway]

Has anyone used Starlink at home with more than one router in the house? Does it work?

 

[MisterB]

Has anyone used Starlink at home with more than one router in the house? Does it work?

yes, not sure what you mean by more than one router though?

i previously used starlink through the starlink router and also t'internet through my bt router at the same time - different devices though, one was my phone, the other a laptop.

is that what you meant ????

 

[faraway]

yes, not sure what you mean by more than one router though?

i previously used starlink through the starlink router and also t'internet through my bt router at the same time - different devices though, one was my phone, the other a laptop.

is that what you meant ????

Thank you. I meant using more than one to extend the range through the house.

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