Starlink ordered… I feel it’s the only sensible option now..

Carpmart said:
HDPE, love the material! ✔️

You mention bond… I’ve tried lots of different ways of bonding, all failed. Plastic welding would work for the join, but not sure if plastic welding to the dish would work?
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To bond it to other things you can either flame treat prior to gluing or use a proper HDPE glue.

www.permabond.com

Bonding Low & High Density Polyethylene with Industrial Adhesives

Permabond has developed a line of specialty acrylic adhesives for polyethylene that form strong bonds without surface treatment.
www.permabond.com www.permabond.com

Not done it so couldn't comment directly sorry.
 
stewartwebr said:
Just be mindful the new flat mount dishes are more power hungry to operate than the motorised versions
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Which is why, provided my Gen 2 keeps working and is supported, I shall continue with it…

Progress would be lower power, not more power! 🤦‍♂️
 
MisterB said:
not in any rush to be honest, but once ive stuck this in, it wont be coming out again. i may have a go at making a template though .....
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Just looked at my calendar and I am absolutely jammed to the wall all the way to the end of the month. Got two Major server migrations to handle over the next two weekends on top of the two plastic projects I am already committed to.
So it would be beginning of next month. If you are still working on it then and want to have a go with some plastic welding give me a shout early June.
 
Not trawling back to find out if this has been posted previously - apologies if it has.

Starlink in the States had now introduced charging based on saturation.

Areas with high demand levels paying 30% more than standard rate.

Wonder who is next 🤔
 
Bustup15 said:
Not trawling back to find out if this has been posted previously - apologies if it has.

Starlink in the States had now introduced charging based on saturation.

Areas with high demand levels paying 30% more than standard rate.

Wonder who is next 🤔
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I hadn't heard this. I have just googled for it and after 2 search I have not seen anything on the top 10 search results. I am not going to spend any more time looking for it.

Do you have a link?

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Starlink notified users of new monthly prices in which people who live in "limited-capacity" areas will pay $30 more per month than users in "excess-capacity" areas. The changes consist of a price hike for many users and a decrease for others.
The original price of Starlink was $99 a month, but SpaceX has been charging all residential users $110 since a price hike imposed in March 2022. Emails sent yesterday and today notified residential users of a "$10 increase in areas with limited capacity" for a new price of $120 a month, and a "$20 decrease in areas with excess capacity" for a new price of $90 a month.
The email to users in limited capacity areas said, "As a current customer in an area with limited capacity, your monthly service price will increase to $120/month beginning April 24, 2023. For new customers in your area, the price increase is effective immediately. If you do not wish to continue service, you can cancel at any time on your account page."
The email noted that SpaceX's ongoing launches of satellites will increase capacity and that "the Starlink team is making continuous network updates to improve performance over time." But it didn't say anything about whether a limited-capacity area could become an excess-capacity area or vice versa.
While speeds can vary a lot by area, the change generally means that users who receive the lowest speeds will pay the highest prices. However, the price hike and the Starlink email's invitation to cancel service could reduce the number of customers in congested areas, possibly increasing average speeds for the remaining users. Average Starlink speeds have dropped as more users sign up for the satellite service, speed-test data shows.

Users lament price hike and lack of choice​

A Starlink customer in South Carolina, near Columbia, received the limited-capacity email and shared it with Ars. "Can't say I'm happy about it but also don't have much of a choice," said the customer, Andy, who preferred that we not publish his last name.
Andy said he lives in a low-density rural area where "AT&T DSL that barely works is the only other option I have." He also told us that Starlink speeds have "dropped quite a bit" since he started using it in April 2021.
Download speeds that used to be 200 to 250Mbps are down to about 90 to 100Mbps, while uploads have dropped from about 25 to 30Mbps to 8 or 9Mbps, Andy said. He's seen upload speeds as low as 4Mbps during the 4 pm to 8 pm hours, he said. "I've seen a lot more buffering lately when watching shows on HBO Max in the evening," he said.
While some users may cancel instead of paying more, "for those that have no choice it's just another cost increase and the second increase in less than a year," Andy said.
Starlink's coverage map shows that large parts of the US are on a waitlist, which may indicate the areas deemed to be low-capacity. Starlink claimed to serve virtually the whole US in its submissions for the Federal Communications Commission's national broadband map.
The price increase/decrease email spurred lots of discussion on the Starlink subreddit. "This increase puts me at double what my old ISP [charged], but they had a monopoly on my area and only provided 6Mbps," one user wrote, adding that actual speeds under the previous ISP were about 2Mbps. "I hope this isn't a yearly thing. Inflation has already nullified my last two raises, this isn't making it any easier," the user wrote.
"Price goes up and quality goes down. This feels familiar," another person wrote in the Reddit thread.



“Nothing we can do but pay up”​

One user who complained about the price increase said speeds have dropped from 100Mbps to 15Mbps during peak hours. "But they know they can. The only other choice I've got is 3Mbps and the wife and I both work from home. Nothing we can do but pay up," the user wrote.
Some were puzzled about being in a limited-capacity area. "I live in the middle of nowhere and can count on two hands the amount of people who have Starlink near me. And guess what? My price is going up," one person wrote.
"Dude, I don't know of a single person around me who has Starlink, let alone ever even SEEN a single Starlink dish anywhere around, and mine is going up," another wrote in response.
Some users talked about switching to other providers—though that requires having a viable second option. "I am starting to view SL [Starlink] the same way I view my cell plan, the second a competitor gives me [a] good deal, I will dump it, which is certainly not how I viewed SL when I first joined," one wrote.

Starlink raised hardware cost to $600 last year​

Starlink also raised the upfront hardware cost from $499 to $599 last year.
"I'm filing a complaint with the FCC," one person wrote on Reddit. "I have had Starlink for a year and seen two price increases. Their customers paid $600 to buy into their system and now they have them over a barrel. I understand periodic increases [but] this is unreasonable."
"This service was supposed to prioritize rural, underserved areas… not punish us. Paying $600 in advance for equipment that you have to self-install (often [at] considerable expense) and then having two price increases in a year? Really unreasonable," another wrote.
Starlink this week also raised the price of Starlink for RVs from $135 to $150 a month and apparently removed the option to let US residential customers use Starlink in different locations for an extra fee. The support page now says, "Portability is not available for Residential service in the US. You may change your service address or change your service plan to RV through your Starlink account."
Starlink's portability option allowed use at "secondary locations" within the user's continent and added $25 to the standard monthly bill. Starlink invited some users to a new "Global Roaming" plan, but it costs $200 a month.
 
Bustup15 said:
Not trawling back to find out if this has been posted previously - apologies if it has.

Starlink in the States had now introduced charging based on saturation.

Areas with high demand levels paying 30% more than standard rate.

Wonder who is next 🤔
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This has been happening for a while...not sure of the science though

I have friend that runs a remote glider and flight school in 38897 zip in davenport orlando
..and had used starlink since day one. They knew about saturation limits but had never been a problem even recently

Says its still no price or service issue and considering his options he wouldn't /couldnt move from starlink and get the same service

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It’s not all one direction, as in price rises.. Roam did go down in price in the UK. When I first bought my Starlink it was £95/month, then dropped down to £85 a few months later. 👍🏻
 
is this because Im in Spain at the moment

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MisterB posted this on another thread, but it’s useful information I think should be on here so it can be searched easier.. 👍🏻

I am part way through an install and changing my current 12v conversion, to one which doesn't have to use the 12v/48v stabilised power supplies It's been a useful read just to consider and focus me on different options.

I am considering installing more than one pass through (RJ45 AND 12v power) in a couple of different locations, near the front driver side and near the rear passenger side, with the internal cabling being set up like a mini network, all data cables leading back to a 12v permanently fixed router (also considering doing the same with the 12v supply, so as to keep it separate from the motorhome 12v system). As the router has several feeds this seems to be an option, although probably overkill, but will allow me to carry just one 3m lead for the external data and the same for the 12v power to the dish. I am doing away with the starlink provided cables and router and not using 12v and 48v power supplies.
I am pretty close to testing before actually installing just to make sure everything works.
 
Carpmart said:
MisterB posted this on another thread, but it’s useful information I think should be on here so it can be searched easier.. 👍🏻

I am part way through an install and changing my current 12v conversion, to one which doesn't have to use the 12v/48v stabilised power supplies It's been a useful read just to consider and focus me on different options.

I am considering installing more than one pass through (RJ45 AND 12v power) in a couple of different locations, near the front driver side and near the rear passenger side, with the internal cabling being set up like a mini network, all data cables leading back to a 12v permanently fixed router (also considering doing the same with the 12v supply, so as to keep it separate from the motorhome 12v system). As the router has several feeds this seems to be an option, although probably overkill, but will allow me to carry just one 3m lead for the external data and the same for the 12v power to the dish. I am doing away with the starlink provided cables and router and not using 12v and 48v power supplies.
I am pretty close to testing before actually installing just to make sure everything works.
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Very interesting. Are you following that Ukraine engineers 12v direct power approach?

I’m persisting with the 12v - 48v at the moment. I am however installing a Cat6 cable with the adapter I’ve bought from China. This will end up being only 3m long. I will leave the existing Starlink cable in place so I can run it out from its small waterproof box on the roof to a spot away from the Motorhome, if I ever need to!

We have got to be well in excess of fifty different locations we have parked in now and I’ve never had to do that yet! 🤞
 
Carpmart said:
Very interesting. Are you following that Ukraine engineers 12v direct power approach?

I’m persisting with the 12v - 48v at the moment. I am however installing a Cat6 cable with the adapter I’ve bought from China. This will end up being only 3m long. I will leave the existing Starlink cable in place so I can run it out from its small waterproof box on the roof to a spot away from the Motorhome, if I ever need to!

We have got to be well in excess of fifty different locations we have parked in now and I’ve never had to do that yet! 🤞
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yes i am following Olegs research ...... i have revamped the frame of the mount now, i tried to do a 25mm frame BUT realised i cant then fit the connecting sockets, so went back to the original 45mm UPVC window trim. Using the jig i made was really easy, couple of corners show blistering where i used too much heat, but im sure i could make the frame without blistering if it bothered me that much!

How to power Starlink terminal from 12V without PoE injector and DC/DC converters – Oleg Kutkov personal blog

olegkutkov.me olegkutkov.me

(one of) my starlink(s) is sat on the table all dismantled and waiting for me to have the balls to remove the two components LOL. one of them is really small and although some have suggested just using tweezers to wiggle it loose, i think i would prefer to desolder it but none of my soldering irons have a small enough tip ......so i am reluctant to do it just yet until i am convinced i can remove it safely enough

i will have a 'redundant' 12 and 48v stablised power supply soon I HOPE!!!
 
gus-lopez said:
To my knowledge it is the other way around? Gen3 has no motors,etc.
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No the V3 uses more power. It is larger and rather than motors to direct it uses software over the larger surface area. So it will continuously use more power.
It has 110° field of view vs 100°of the V2.



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A few more photos, been busy on other jobs so can't move forward at the moment. I have a few projects that require me to sikafkex things, to either seal holes or bond bits together, so I'm trying to get things in place so I can do them all the same time


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The power cables are a lot thicker than they need to be but I wanted to use that particular connection for the 12v supply. I will reduce the size of the cable once it passes into the starlink housing.
I never liked having to stow the cable with the dish (keeping it connected saved damage to the connections by regular plugging and unplugging)
 
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Gromett said:
No the V3 uses more power. It is larger and rather than motors to direct it uses software over the larger surface area. So it will continuously use more power.
It has 110° field of view vs 100°of the V2.



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I wonder if the V3 model was driven by the use case of cost reduction? Less expensive parts = lower and simpler production!

Maybe the V2 is the sweet spot for Starlink… this supposes that they support it long term of course! 🤷‍♂️
 
gus-lopez said:
To my knowledge it is the other way around? Gen3 has no motors,etc.
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Yes, no motors but the actual operating current to compensate for the lack of alignment by the motors creates higher operational current draw overall. Some are quoting 40% increase.
 
From tinterweb

Gen 3: Draws between 75-100 watts
Gen 2: Typically uses 30-50 watts


However, some real-world measurements suggest the difference might be less significant. User reports indicate Gen 3 might stay closer to 40-50 watts during normal operation, with spikes during startup or high activity
 
Tombola said:
From tinterweb

Gen 3: Draws between 75-100 watts
Gen 2: Typically uses 30-50 watts


However, some real-world measurements suggest the difference might be less significant. User reports indicate Gen 3 might stay closer to 40-50 watts during normal operation, with spikes during startup or high activity
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Running straight off my batteries with a 12v kit and using a TP link 12v router, my best educated guesstimate is it’s averaging 2.5 - 3.0A draw. Nominal voltage assumed at 13v (on lithiums) so that is 32-39W. I’m happy enough as usually when I look it’s nearer to 2.5A… some of this is down to the router and some down to more efficiency with 13v to 230v and back down to 48v.

The bonus is that I get a massive coverage sphere of up to 100m and can still pull 60Mb speeds a long way from the router.

Win Win 🏆

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no bloody flux !!!

started the delicate removal of components from the starlink

realised ive got no flux, so dont want to remove the large component, the small one came off easy enough with desoldering braid, but the bigger one wasnt moving, so im waiting until tomorrow to get some flux ...

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to be honest the small one was my biggest concern, but i bought a lidl special - battery powered parkside soldering iron, really fine tip on the end, perfect for the job, you can see where the component was just next to the one marked 100

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also decided to use wago connectors to reduce the 12v cable down to a size for easier soldering and used them for the capacitor connections, really easy solution ...

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That 'rainy day' has arrived

Our Starlink was purchased for that 'rainy day' of no GSM / wi-fi coverage . . . .
such a day has now arrived (no wi-fi and only one bar on the EE sim / only 2 bars on the Vodafone sim) - neither GSM sim has sufficient 'speed' to allow me to work

From my readings of the Service Agreement / earlier postings on this thread
My understanding of the 'roam' service agreement is ....
our monthly 'billing date' (from our initial sign up / pause) is about the 16th / monthly
I propose to reconnect / resume service today (20th) as there is work I must do
I intend to 'pause' our service again tomorrow

I expect to be billed, upon reconnection, pro-rata for the days from today until the 16th next - because I have paused prior to the 8th June, when the invoice is raised 7 days before the June/July period, I should go back on to 'pause' / no service on the 16th June

Could those members who have 'un-paused' / 're-paused' their roam agreements, please confirm / otherwise

TIA
 
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poacher said:
That 'rainy day' has arrived

Our Starlink was purchased for that 'rainy day' of no GSM / wi-fi coverage . . . .
such a day has now arrived (no wi-fi and only one bar on the EE sim / only 2 bars on the Vodafone sim) - neither GSM sim has sufficient 'speed' to allow me to work

From my readings of the Service Agreement / earlier postings on this thread
My understanding of the 'roam' service agreement is ....
our monthly 'billing date' (from our initial sign up / pause) is about the 16th / monthly
I propose to reconnect / resume service today (20th) as there is work I must do
I intend to 'pause' our service again tomorrow

I expect to be billed, upon reconnection, pro-rata for the days from today until the 16th next - because I have paused prior to the 8th June, when the invoice is raised 7 days before the June/July period, I should go back on to 'pause' / no service on the 16th June

Could those members who have 'un-paused' / 're-paused' their roam agreements, please confirm / otherwise

TIA
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Although I have been 'known' to play around with the starlinks fixtures and fittings, I have no idea how billing works, though what you suggest seems to make sense, however if you pause it tomorrow will that mean you can't use the service even though you would be paying for it after tomorrow ?
I would be asking the question direct to starlinks customer service.

Which has prompted me to sort out my billing dates etc !!
 
MisterB said:
Although I have been 'known' to play around with the starlinks fixtures and fittings, I have no idea how billing works, though what you suggest seems to make sense, however if you pause it tomorrow will that mean you can't use the service even though you would be paying for it after tomorrow ?
I would be asking the question direct to starlinks customer service.

Which has prompted me to sort out my billing dates etc !!
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My understanding is that I will be billed to next billing date and therefore have use until then

Question asked of 'support' before posting - reply awaited - will post Starlink's response
 
poacher said:
That 'rainy day' has arrived

Our Starlink was purchased for that 'rainy day' of no GSM / wi-fi coverage . . . .
such a day has now arrived (no wi-fi and only one bar on the EE sim / only 2 bars on the Vodafone sim) - neither GSM sim has sufficient 'speed' to allow me to work

From my readings of the Service Agreement / earlier postings on this thread
My understanding of the 'roam' service agreement is ....
our monthly 'billing date' (from our initial sign up / pause) is about the 16th / monthly
I propose to reconnect / resume service today (20th) as there is work I must do
I intend to 'pause' our service again tomorrow

I expect to be billed, upon reconnection, pro-rata for the days from today until the 16th next - because I have paused prior to the 8th June, when the invoice is raised 7 days before the June/July period, I should go back on to 'pause' / no service on the 16th June

Could those members who have 'un-paused' / 're-paused' their roam agreements, please confirm / otherwise

TIA
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Yes, that is correct.

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