Schengen Fine

[gus-lopez]

and they ordered us to pay the fine otherwise we would be arrested.

Yep fill yer boots would have been my reply ,whilst dumping all cards, ,cash & any means of payment.

Brittany Ferries would not survive as a passenger service without British travellers.

So? They are French ,enough said.

If it was a false one why is the Spanish minister of tourism trying to get the rules changed?

Spain Wants to Permit British Tourists to Stay Longer than 90 Days in 6 Months

Spain’s Secretary of State for the Ministry of Tourism and Industry, Fernando Valdés, wants to scrap the rule that limits British tourists, as well as tourists from other countries, from staying in Spain for only 90 days in any 180-days period, in a bid to further boost the tourism sector in...

www.schengenvisainfo.com

The list is endless.
1) he has relatives who own sites
2) he has friends who own sites
3) he was offered free holidays for life
4) or an apartment/house /flat /whatever
5)the envelope turned up
etc;

Very few of the sites we stayed on had British vans there.

whilst on the beach at Águilas christmas day the 3 dozen+ flt's were mainly French,German,Dutch & Belgians with a few swedes & Norwegians thrown in & what appeared to be a solitary brit but I am not 100% sure ?

He's since resigned from his tourism position!

^^

 

[DelMar]

Brits are being overtaken by the Germans in Spain and the Dutch, French and Italians are always there. So don’t think you are indispensable to the Spanish economy and that laws should be made just for us. We left the EU so take it on the chin, 90 days is long enough for anyone. That is exactly what you voted for. That is the law for us poor Brits now.

 

[DelMar]

By the way, 90 days is not a new law. It has always applied to those countries outside of EU membership.

 

[busby]

Brits are being overtaken by the Germans in Spain and the Dutch, French and Italians are always there. So don’t think you are indispensable to the Spanish economy and that laws should be made just for us. We left the EU so take it on the chin, 90 days is long enough for anyone. That is exactly what you voted for. That is the law for us poor Brits now.

If we are not important to Spanish and Greek authorities why are coastal tourist areas asking for 90/180 rule to be slashed,,why are countries like Portugal Spain etc offering Working Nomad Visas? BUSBY.

 

[busby]

Brits are being overtaken by the Germans in Spain and the Dutch, French and Italians are always there. So don’t think you are indispensable to the Spanish economy and that laws should be made just for us. We left the EU so take it on the chin, 90 days is long enough for anyone. That is exactly what you voted for. That is the law for us poor Brits now.

Trouble is none of those nationalities spend like Brits BUSBY.

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[jumar]

If we are not important to Spanish and Greek authorities why are coastal tourist areas asking for 90/180 rule to be slashed,,why are countries like Portugal Spain etc offering Working Nomad Visas? BUSBY.

WORKING VISA Busby...not supping beer on a campsite...being housed in Hotels, Apartments or there own dwelling. We have them here in our resort....working from their Spanish home and not being overly restricted...

It's already been answered on an earlier post...Spain isn't pushing for any changes....just rumblings in small pockets of tourist areas....Mention the 90 Day rule in Madrid. Barcelona, Salamanca, Pamplona. Granada, Seville, Cordoba and many more large Spanish cities....they wouldn't have heard of it....these are the cities that keep Spain's wheels turning....not Benicassim or Benidorm....that's localised economy....a very small percentage of Spain's GDP.. Try coming to the Spanish Costas in July and August....you wouldn't like it....too many money spending tourists ....

 

[jongood]

Brits are being overtaken by the Germans in Spain and the Dutch, French and Italians are always there. So don’t think you are indispensable to the Spanish economy and that laws should be made just for us. We left the EU so take it on the chin, 90 days is long enough for anyone. That is exactly what you voted for. That is the law for us poor Brits now.

Problem is for the Spanish, the Dutch and the French don't spend. Germans tend to be Ok but expect very high standards. I'm absolutely not bleating about the 90/180, its part of a deal that had far more important considerations for me, but I do think it it would be fairly easy and in most parties interests to improve.

 

[EuroTrotters]

Hey people,”we” voted for it, rejoice.

Oh no “we” didn’t. Could we change we to the “leavers”

Last Christmas was still heavily impacted by covid and I don't think that the 90/180 rule was enforced. This year will be down slightly on numbers due to the cost of living crisis. Numbers will be lower next year.

How many folk are really likely to stop going somewhere because they can only go for 90 days? I guess we're hearing more reports on here because we're a group of motorhomers and there a higher proportion of folk who would like to spend more time in winter destinations such as Spain. The only folk that I know outside of the motorhoming community who have been impacted are owners of properties in Spain. Again, a very small number of people.

Might need to fact check your last couple of sentences there.

I don't think a lot see it like that theres always a healthy interest on avoiding using angles Mort stickers avoiding cusoms restrictions on food avoiding getting speeding tickets etc. I bet a lot of the same people who would like to get away with French speeding tickets would be up in arms if French people coming here could do the same.

Don’t get me started on ongles morts stickers. What if every other non French speaking European country insisted on having them in their language ?

We weren't stamped in or out of Lanzarote... Nor were our passports scanned as far as I know. I wonder if they were basing our arrival and departure on our flight arrangements from EasyJet?

Just stamps on a couple of occasions in Alicante an Santander for us.

The thread seems very important judging by the amount of posts.
Why would it be appropriate for the thread to be deleted?
If you mean should my posts be deleted because they draw attention to the fact that we actually brought this on ourselves, fair enough.
I have no problem with that action if the administrator decides my posts should be deleted.
Deleting my posts doesn’t alter the fact that we are where we are, does i?

Again, not “we”. I didn’t vote for this, just like I have never voted for a certain political party. Let’s start saying the leavers and the remainers. Just like we say the tories or the Labour Party.

Brits are being overtaken by the Germans in Spain and the Dutch, French and Italians are always there. So don’t think you are indispensable to the Spanish economy and that laws should be made just for us. We left the EU so take it on the chin, 90 days is long enough for anyone. That is exactly what you voted for. That is the law for us poor Brits now.

Who is “you” ?

Trouble is none of those nationalities spend like Brits BUSBY.

I would agree

 

[jumar]

Living in an area where Agriculture is of a greater importance than tourism...we as residents of Spain believe that, the impact on Spanish exports to the UK is causing more harm than the restricted Winter visitors...OK Agriculture provides less than 3% of the Spanish GDP...but any reduction is going to be a big difference...
The Costa Calida is currently rammed again.... last year the same....no effect with Morocco being open again.....be interesting to know how many Brits are ignoring Europ for North Africa?

 

[uzsnowdrop]

Can a sceptic get a look in?

Sceptics can , cynics can’t
Signed ( and stamped)
A. Pedant

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[The Wino]

Living in an area where Agriculture is of a greater importance than tourism...we as residents of Spain believe that, the impact on Spanish exports to the UK is causing more harm than the restricted Winter visitors...OK Agriculture provides less than 3% of the Spanish GDP...but any reduction is going to be a big difference...
The Costa Calida is currently rammed again.... last year the same....no effect with Morocco being open again.....be interesting to know how many Brits are ignoring Europ for North Africa?

I think we look at this forum and get the idea that staying in Europe more than 90/180 is pretty common. I can't think of anyone I know in our circle of friends off the forum that does. I suspect it's a vanishingly small number. I think trade of goods including agriculture is as you say most likely much more significant in economic terms but getting little attention at the moment. There's certainly little sign that we're in a place where everything has been easily sorted!

 

[jumartoo]

Trouble is none of those nationalities spend like Brits BUSBY.

The big Brit spenders are the holiday makers out for a long weekend/week/fortnight. Nothing's changed for them.

 

[Chris]

I can’t imagine anything worse than spending 90 days in France

 

[VXman]

I don't think a lot see it like that theres always a healthy interest on avoiding using angles Mort stickers avoiding cusoms restrictions on food avoiding getting speeding tickets etc. I bet a lot of the same people who would like to get away with French speeding tickets would be up in arms if French people coming here could do the same.

Don't they? You think the UK is intelligent and organised enough to chase up foreign drivers over non payment of speeding ticketss. I don't. I don't imagine many pay for the Dartford crossing either.

 

[The Wino]

Don't they? You think the UK is intelligent and organised enough to chase up foreign drivers over non payment of speeding ticketss. I don't. I don't imagine many pay for the Dartford crossing either.

So is the problem they're better at organising things than we are.! Do you think it would be seen as acceptable of there were motorhome forums discussing how to get away with breaking UK laws and staying illegally in the UK?

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[VXman]

I can’t imagine anything worse than spending 90 days in France

I know what you mean.

Fabulous roads, great food in the restaurants and supermarkets, lovely wine and beer, beautiful beaches and weather along the south coast, history, countryside, the Alps and Pyrenees, skiing, culture, architecture, beautiful towns, villages and cities. Brilliant provision for motorhomes in terms of cheap and free parking places.

Nightmare place!

 

[Chris]

I know what you mean.

Fabulous roads, great food in the restaurants and supermarkets, lovely wine and beer, beautiful beaches and weather along the south coast, history, countryside, the Alps and Pyrenees, skiing, culture, architecture, beautiful towns, villages and cities. Brilliant provision for motorhomes in terms of cheap and free parking places.

Nightmare place!

But the French live there.

 

[The Wino]

But the French live there.

Some friends of ours were real fans of Spain doing Spanish lessons thinking about property etc always said that they didn't fancy France. Now they've tried it they hardly go anywhere else!

 

[VXman]

But the French live there.

Preferable to many Brits in my experience.

 

[Al n Val]

By the way, 90 days is not a new law. It has always applied to those countries outside of EU membership.

So we didn't vote for it then??

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[raysalaugh]

I can’t imagine anything worse than spending 90 days in France

91+ apparently.

 

[DelMar]

Yes you did, when the vote was to leave the EU, that consisted of the 90 day law. You cannot nitpick what you don’t like.

 

[The Wino]

Yes you did, when the vote was to leave the EU, that consisted of the 90 day law. You cannot nitpick what you don’t like.

Not everyone voted the same way!

 

[Yorick]

Not everyone voted the same way!

Not everyone voted.

 

[bladerunner]

also on those who like to tour in Europe for 2 months in Spring and 2 months in Autumn.

If Spring is March and April and Autumn is September and October, then the 90 day rule isn't a problem.
From September 1st every day from March 6th drops off the end (or is it the beginning?)

I'll be close this year with 74 days presently planned for various forms of transport - but I could always use the Canadian passport instead for one or two trips

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[gus-lopez]

but I do think it it would be fairly easy and in most parties interests to improve.

But the EU wouldn't allow it. Like resigning your club membership & expecting to go when you want as long as you are signed in by a member. Doesn't happen that is why there are restrictions.

What if every other non French speaking European country insisted on having them in their language ?

There is a spanish one but not legally required to be used so far:

Living in an area where Agriculture is of a greater importance than tourism.

#cabbagesrkingybroccoliisus

..we as residents of Spain believe that, the impact on Spanish exports to the UK is causing more harm than the restricted Winter visitors..

 

[royandsharont]

I have read lots of printed articles over many years that says the British tourist spend per person more on average than any other European nationality, so I think it is likely true

 

[Al n Val]

Yes you did, when the vote was to leave the EU, that consisted of the 90 day law. You cannot nitpick what you don’t like.

no i didn’t as you previously said, and I’ll quote you

By the way, 90 days is not a new law. It has always applied to those countries outside of EU membership.

So if it’s not a new law how the hell did we vote for it?

And how am I nitpicking? when did I say I didn’t like it?

Learn to use the forum properly and reply to the poster your replying back to before accusing anyone of anything just to stop any confusion

 

[Martyn911]

We heard you the first time. Do you really want the thread deleting?

Old farts like you need putting down. So keep the foreigners out of the UK and you expect to be welcome in Europe.

 

[MattR]

I have read lots of printed articles over many years that says the British tourist spend per person more on average than any other European nationality, so I think it is likely true

How much extra, on average for folk spend when they are there for more than 90 days... It could be a few cents per week to be more than other Europeans.

I'm guessing that it still isn't enough for Spain to attempt to change the rules for UK passport holders.

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