Run to the sun….

[Minxy]

It just goes to show Paul how things can be taken in different ways, when you mentioned not being his courier I took it as a joke as that's how your posts had been, Captain Paul aka DHL! Now it seems it wasn't a joke.

If you offer help and support do it because you want to and don't expect anything in return, if you get a thank you that's great but if not then what have you lost? You've still helped someone and that should be sufficient reward.

He is pretty desperate for the brake cylinder so I can understand his frustration at being promised it to then find it was going to be a long time before you went down, if at all. If he'd know he would have to travel up in a vehicle with dodgy brakes to get it, something he hadn't expected to have to do and had this had been the case from the beginning he would likely not have accepted your (kind) offer to get it for him and sorted something else out.

I haven't met him but his way of thinking, views, reactions etc are given on the forum warts and all, if I can understand from afar the challenges that he faces from time to time and how he deals with then those who have met him should also be able to understand him even more.

I don't like talking about him like this, no more than I do anyone else, however to have one or two people drop him without an explanation is bad enough but for you all to do so whilst he's still trying to sort out things is disappointing to say the least.

I understand you are there to have a good time and don't want bringing down with the hassle or different attitude of someone else but you all seem to have pretty much abandoned him en masse and that just seems very unfair regardless.

 

[Minxy]

I don’t think any of the above quotes is hung , drawn and quartered, it is sad for all parties involved, but then shit happens, just move on, it’s a big world out there, all of us are the lucky ones, have a look around the world, millions of people have other things to worry about, like for example where is the next meal for my family going to come from, or a house which is bombed to pieces or their families murdered by some fanatics ……

That's a cop out though, I've had stuff like that thrown at me in the past when I've been trying to sort stuff out, all it does is belittle what needs dealing with so it doesn't have to be, it still needs doing but it then makes the person asking feel bad through no fault of their own.

 

[Minxy]

I have been given permission by Jackie to disclose disclose a confidence she placed in me…

The reason she no longer wants anything to do with tam is because she was put in a situation where she gave him a fair bit of money… plus she was overwhelmed with the constant negativity and moaning…

I believe Tam has done stuff for her without charge so payment in kind?

She has since found out that someone else has also given him several hundreds of pounds besides everything else they have done for him beside the fact that tam has plenty of money of he’s own…

Did he twist their arm? Some people like to help others out. He has never hidden that he has money, he has however stated that a lot of it is locked away and can't be touched. Only he knows what he can afford and he's had quite a few curve balls thrown at him recently which he hadn't expected to have to spend on.

‘He is a clever manipulative man” Jackie’s words

How about asking Tam for his side of this?

I don’t want to be associated with someone like this that puts someone in a situation where they feel obliged to do that.

So you took that as read?

It is up to other people whether they want to come forward or not that have also given to him. All I said at the very beginning I no longer want to be associated with him. And was going to leave it at that….

If you'd just said that then a lot of this wouldn't have happened but making a comment about his character was IMV where it went too far especially when he wasn't given the opportunity to respond. I wouldn't have liked it and doubt you would either.

It’s up to you all what you decide and want to think.

Yup, I've given my comments which I think makes my view clear.

this is my travel thread and it will continue as such…

Good, I really enjoy reading what you are getting up to and especially how much Cintia is enjoying herself.

 

[CaptainPaul]

It just goes to show Paul how things can be taken in different ways, when you mentioned not being his courier I took it as a joke as that's how your posts had been, Captain Paul aka DHL! Now it seems it wasn't a joke.

If you offer help and support do it because you want to and don't expect anything in return, if you get a thank you that's great but if not then what have you lost? You've still helped someone and that should be sufficient reward.

He is pretty desperate for the brake cylinder so I can understand his frustration at being promised it to then find it was going to be a long time before you went down, if at all. If he'd know he would have to travel up in a vehicle with dodgy brakes to get it, something he hadn't expected to have to do and had this had been the case from the beginning he would likely not have accepted your (kind) offer to get it for him and sorted something else out.

I haven't met him but his way of thinking, views, reactions etc are given on the forum warts and all, if I can understand from afar the challenges that he faces from time to time and how he deals with then those who have met him should also be able to understand him even more.

I don't like talking about him like this, no more than I do anyone else, however to have one or two people drop him without an explanation is bad enough but for you all to do so whilst he's still trying to sort out things is disappointing to say the least.

I understand you are there to have a good time and don't want bringing down with the hassle or different attitude of someone else but you all seem to have pretty much abandoned him en masse and that just seems very unfair regardless.

This could go on and on but I'll briefly answer a couple of your points, when I said captain paul DHL etc that was joking but when I got to Morocco and was trying to help Tam get his brake cylinder suddenly it wasn't urgent after all, then once he got the van painting started it suddenly was urgent again and I was totally confused so I looked into possible postage or Moroccan couriers but Tam shot that idea down which was fair enough but just by chance I saw that Steve Barchetta was in the same town as me and heading south so I went out of my way to find him actually waiting outside his campsite for nearly an hour when he thankfully appeared and I could get the brake cylinder and hose dispatched to Tam, at no time was i aware of any timescale put on me bringing it all down, I only said I was bringing to Morocco Tam knew when I was coming over he could of stayed slightly north instead of expecting me to fly down south with it i brought to Morocco from Ireland, the least I thought Tam could do was make some kind of effort to come up a bit but he insisted his brakes were too risky but these are the same risky brakes he's decided to leave Tafroute where he got his painting done he has travelled 100s upon 100s of miles further down southern Morocco and is now coming back up several more 100s of miles still on these very dodgy brakes he was so worried about and he hasn't even met up with Steve Barchetta yet for the brake cylinders so surely you can see my frustration that he needed the brake cylinder urgently as he could get killed but yet and all he's upped sticks out of Tafroute and driven literally 100s of miles in all directions & terrains actually getting further away from Steve & the brake cylinder and gas hose he so urgently needs
As regards your comments about giving without expecting thanks as I've said previously above, I had mentioned none of any of this between Tam & myself until he went on his thread earlier today and telling you all how bad I was and how much I was a bad friend etc even though in his description he describes me as just an acquaintance I never expected anything in return, but I'm not his lackey
Anyway as I've said good luck to him I wish him no ill will but I'm just leaving him to it
Thanks again Paul

 

[Scotch mist]

And? We all get p*ssed off from time to time. He's honest about his feelings, more than most on here, like him or loathe him, he's human.

That’s exactly what I said , he has a different way to most people , and at times hard to understand but he is what he is and very open about that , he has never hidden or apologised for his mannerisms or attitudes SO we accept him for who he is

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[Northernraider]

I have been given permission by Jackie to disclose disclose a confidence she placed in me…

The reason she no longer wants anything to do with tam is because she was put in a situation where she gave him a fair bit of money… plus she was overwhelmed with the constant negativity and moaning…

She has since found out that someone else has also given him several hundreds of pounds besides everything else they have done for him beside the fact that tam has plenty of money of he’s own…

‘He is a clever manipulative man” Jackie’s words…

I don’t want to be associated with someone like this that puts someone in a situation where they feel obliged to do that.

It is up to other people whether they want to come forward or not that have also given to him. All I said at the very beginning I no longer want to be associated with him. And was going to leave it at that….

It’s up to you all what you decide and want to think. this is my travel thread and it will continue as such…

Despite my better judgement I unignored you just to see exactly what bullshit had been said.

But I'm glad I did


The damage is done however as you never bothered to ask my side of this nonsense and there's no going back from that.


So here's the facts and the truth ...people can and will decide what they wish to believe.


So 2 years ago when I was going to come to Morocco the first time ..I had 3 dogs , jade milo and ela ... during the trip through Spain i did say I wondered if it was worth the expense of having all the dogs titre tested etc.

Captain Paul had been commenting on that thread quite a bit ...it was actually the first thread I was really aware of him ...starting when I was in Ireland.

He private messaged me and he said he'd like to help pay for part of the dogs titre tests , I refused at first in fact I refused 2 or 3 times in total but he insisted and stated he enjoyed the thread appreciated I'd homed 3 stray dogs etc etc and that he'd like to help .. in the end I accepted as it was a help and I felt he was doing it for the right reasons.. in the end he sent me £400 for the dogs titre tests .

Jackie who was travelling with me at the time was absolutely fully aware of this in fact I discussed it with her in depth before I accepted. She also accompanied me with the dogs when I had them tested and we met jumar and jumartoo afterwards .


Paul had specifically asked me not to mention it on here as he thought people would make something of it...so I didn't

But I can if need be trawl back through messages and post screenshots of them if need be.


As everyone knows ela failed her test the first time ....I booked a second test and Jackie at that point said to me she would like to pay for it ....€160 .. she's bought a few other things for the dogs over the years , a lead for ela and a couple of other things again because she offered not because I asked and again I initially refused but accepted when the offer was repeated.

I've never at any time asked anyone for money . Never!!


It's taken her 24 months to suddenly feel I manipulated her?.....really?

And she met Paul in torremolinos while we were waiting for the results of that second test where the dogs had been mentioned several times , so to claim that its news to her is absolutely ridiculous.


So I have to ask who exactly is being manipulative here


And furthermore who is being daft enough to be manipulated. I'm also fairly certain in the 2 months I stayed in your drive that I had told you about Paul helping out with those tests.

Weve also had multiple discussions about Jackie and you've made a few comments yourself in that regard.

As I suspected its a load of bored gossiping bull that no one had the decency to discuss with me first.
She's had a chip on her shoulder since before Christmas and it's been blatantly obvious. Nowt like a woman scorned as they say.


As for the parts for my van , again I didn't ask the help was offered and I was led to believe by messages such as " see you soon " etc that I would have seen the part fairly soon had I known it was going to be weeks then I'd have figured something else out as brakes are pretty important in a 6 tonne van in a mountainous country.



My comment stating that on the previous trip to Morocco Paul had headed further south very quickly was met by an angry response that I was lying ... but again as I have a polarsteps live tracking me and I mention on it both times when I was with Paul assilah on 9th feb , sidi kouaki 23rd feb and not again in Morocco as he pushed on ahead. So its very easy to verify that my comment was in fact factual and not a lie. ...and was actually said more in jest than any malice.

But regardless



The damage has been done.


Maybe someone thinks they can buy friendship and gets upset when it doesn't work that way , I never have and never will be impressed by money.

Out of 3 people involved in this I'm only upset that the one person i thought knew me better decided to believe it without hearing my side ....frankly that hurts and tells me I clearly valued the friendship more than you did.

And people wonder why I'm negative.


I'm done , I'll leave you all to your witch hunt

 

[bobnick]

Tis why we keep ourselves to ourselves.

 

[Mikey RV]

Let’s just all forget about it please, take it outside the forum. This is Gary’s thread and don’t want Jim to close it down while so many folk are enjoying it.

 

[Wanders from Glos]

It's very sad to see people falling out like this. I can see public accusations create the need for public defence but it becomes a vicious circle of claim and counter claim and like Mikey RV says I fear Jim will end up needing to close both threads down.

Its a great shame for what had been an excellent travel thread.

 

[monzer]

Let’s just all forget about it please, take it outside the forum. This is Gary’s thread and don’t want Jim to close it down while so many folk are enjoying it.

This is MHF, people are enjoying the thread and the bickering.

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[Dutch 68]

It's very sad to see people falling out like this. I can see public accusations create the need for public defence but it becomes a vicious circle of claim and counter claim and like Mikey RV says I fear Jim will end up needing to close both threads down.

Its a great shame for what had been an excellent travel thread.

Don’t think Jim has to do that at all, all parties involved have had their say now, so move on, both threads are one of the biggest travel threads on here so very important to many people and to the forum itself

 

[Wanders from Glos]

Don’t think Jim has to do that at all, all parties involved have had their say now, so move on, both threads are one of the biggest travel threads on here so very important to many people and to the forum itself

I do hope not.

 

[CaptainPaul]

Good morning campers.. HI-DI HI
As far as I'm concerned the matter is and should be closed, as others have said above this matter should be dealt with and kept outside the forum which is exactly what I had being doing for almost a week now, it was actually Tam and his returning thread posts that brought me and our fall out on to MHF I never wanted all this to go public but what's done is done, I'm looking forward to meeting up with Garry & the rest of the funsters out here for a few beers, good company and some fun in the sun
Thanks to everyone for their support, both privately & here on the thread & the debates too it's much appreciated
Hopefully now this can all move on to much nicer topics
Paul

 

[scousebird]

This is very sad news but at the end of the day it's none of our business so lets get on with enjoying the travel threads.

 

[jongood]

This is very sad news but at the end of the day it's none of our business so lets get on with enjoying the travel threads.

Couldnt agree more

On my morning wander to the thunderbox I happened to notice peoples voltage stabilisers were showing around 150v. It does make me wonder how long this can go on without causing issues? There are probably 100 Mhs in here and I imagine at least 30 of them are on ehu.

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[Mr porky]

Loving the travel part of the thread.
Thank you

 

[jongood]

Loving the travel part of the thread.
Thank you

Next year Gareth?

Quite a few Morelos over here. We saw a Palace parked above a remote beach that must have come down a really rough track

 

[KASPAR]

Back on track, have you got your van re-trimmed and painted Just smiffy ?

If not, why not? You need to get yer arse in gear instead of having endless sunshine drinkie poos and meals, perving on the bathers in the sea, etc.

Bluddy youngsters, wot has the world come to

 

[jongood]

So where is this one from?

 

[CaptainPaul]

So where is this one from?
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That's a tough one Jon.... South Korea?

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[The Coops]

So where is this one from?
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981 specialized vehicle symbol Geo province South Korea

 

[Barchetta47]

So where is this one from?
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Not sure but we did see two South Korean vans in Asilah. A 9 month drive for them.

 

[CaptainPaul]

981 specialized vehicle symbol Geo province South Korea

Well done, I'm impressed
Motorhome Fun the font of endless knowledge!

 

[Lenny HB]

We parked next to a Korean van in France last year.

 

[jongood]

That's a tough one Jon.... South Korea?

On the money Paul.

Talking to him last night, he left S Korea last june, via ferry to Vladivostok, siberia, Moscow, tallinn, Helsinki, north cap, norway, sweden, Denmark, Germany, holland, uk, france, spain, Morocco. And he still cant find his .

Seriously, im full of admiration for him.

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[CaptainPaul]

On the money Paul.

Talking to him last night, he left S Korea last june, via ferry to Vladivostok, siberia, Moscow, tallinn, Helsinki, north cap, norway, sweden, Denmark, Germany, holland, uk, france, spain, Morocco. And he still cant find his .

Seriously, im full of admiration for him.

Amazing
What a trip that is, hats off to him, when we had the bigger van we were in Tallin to see the Joey Dunlop memorial and crash site and were thinking about heading into Russia and St Petersburg but were strongly advised against it as apparently they could just take your van from you and leave you standing by the side of the road and there's sweet FA you can do about it! This was obviously away before Ukraine but would of loved to have done it, but I'll maybe rent an old Ford fiesta next time to do it!

 

[Just smiffy]

Hopefully this episode of drama is over now as I’m starting to find it quite funny…

But I don’t think it will be as we all know Tam loves a drama…

I’ll just state that I’ve never had anyone on ignore on this forum ever, I’ve never blocked anyone’s phone numbers either and was/is fully contactable at any time…

And Tam…. I wish I had your very detailed memory, I’m envious…

All the best and safe journey home…

“You can fool some of the people all of the time, and all of the people some of the time, but you can not fool all of the people all of the time.”​

― Abraham Lincoln

 

[Minxy]

What's the point of your post Garry? Apart from having yet another go at Tam it's pointless IMV. Adding a pleasantry doesn't make up for the rest of the comments.

If you want it to stop then that applies to you to!

 

[Ditcha]

What's the point of your post Garry? Apart from having yet another go at Tam it's pointless IMV. Adding a pleasantry doesn't make up for the rest of the comments.

If you want it to stop then that applies to you to!

It's his thread he can say what he wants within the forum rules

Better than Coronation Street this

 

[Just smiffy]

In other news….

The girls went for their massage yesterday and I had a walk around town of Mirleft which was quite nice, a little tourist Street for the like of us then the rest of the town, had a nice coffee (unusual for me) and snuck in an ice cream for me who the gils weren’t there..

Managed to get some pictures as I wasn’t driving and it looked stormy on the way back but the rain held off until the early hours of this morning….
Went and had some dinner last night which was excellent around €45 with beer and wine for all of us.

Jackie has moved on today and we will be getting ready today to leave tomorrow…

We have blue sky once again today…

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