Robbed

I'm really mystified at how a m/h can be broken into and the occupants robbed without being woken up.
The scrotes must be very highly skilled, rather like the entertaining pickpockets who chat for a minute with the interviewer or someone from the audience and then hand them back their watch or wallet.
 
Spriddler said:
I'm really mystified at how a m/h can be broken into and the occupants robbed without being woken up.
The scrotes must be very highly skilled, rather like the entertaining pickpockets who chat for a minute with the interviewer or someone from the audience and then hand them back their watch or wallet.
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They use gas.:LOL:

John.
 
Had an attempted break-in on motorway aire on the A61 between Toulouse and Carcassone. 3.00am and had just been woken by a car alarm. Just dropping off again and drivers door opens and interior light comes on. I shouted loudly and the perp ran off. As many will know it is very simple to unlock a Ducato drivers door. I had Heos locks but hadn't had time to fit them before leaving ironically. Anyway, all doors now secured and an extra internal chain for the sliding door. Luckily very little damage and I got the central locking working again. Bloody annoying though.
 
rebbyvid said:
I was thinking a good idea but when checked i have a 2014 Transit based van with no armrests to thread then through so wont work .
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Yes you either need internal locks or do what i did & drill through the B pillar into the A pillar for 12mm stainless steel pins fitted from the rear.
 
Minxy said:
From what I can tell from your pictures they will still allow the door to be opened a bit due to the 'give' in the seat belt slot/arm, if you had your chair the other way so they were pulled across tightly this would make it more difficult.

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I've just checked again.
That is maximum you can force the door open
You might reach the strap with a long carvings knife.
You definitely can't reach inside with your hand.
I could adjust it a bit tighter but I think it's fine

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Spriddler said:
I'm really mystified at how a m/h can be broken into and the occupants robbed without being woken up.
The scrotes must be very highly skilled, rather like the entertaining pickpockets who chat for a minute with the interviewer or someone from the audience and then hand them back their watch or wallet.
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Unfortunately whilst people think they'll wake up in reality they can sleep through a load of stuff ... how many times have you been aware afterwards that your wife/husband/partner got up in the night to go to the loo and came back without you waking up, and they are sleeping right next to you?

My husband can have a conversation in his sleep and not remember it at all in the morning and this is without alcohol being involved or being very tired.
 
Stealaway said:
I've just checked again.
That is maximum you can force the door open
You might reach the strap with a long carvings knife.
You definitely can't reach inside with your hand.
I could adjust it a bit tighter but I think it's fine
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It's not a lot I grant you but if they put a lot of force it would likely allow them to reach in, better to have it so it can hardly be moved at all so as not to make at gap at all. Why not use the existing seat-belt straps you've got and keep them looped through the door arm rest but instead of attaching them back to themselves put a piece of strap/chain across from one to the other, that way you could definitely tighten it up.
 
Minxy said:
It's not a lot I grant you but if they put a lot of force it would likely allow them to reach in, better to have it so it can hardly be moved at all so as not to make at gap at all. Why not use the existing seat-belt straps you've got and keep them looped through the door arm rest but instead of attaching them back to themselves put a piece of strap/chain across from one to the other, that way you could definitely tighten it up.
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Straps? Chain's?
These are quick and easy and more than enough.
You can't force them anymore and anyway it would be quicker and easier just to break the window
 
Stealaway said:
Straps? Chain's?
These are quick and easy and more than enough.
You can't force them anymore and anyway it would be quicker and easier just to break the window
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Your MH, you do what you're happy with, I was just offering suggestions to make them more secure ... as for breaking a window, that wouldn't allow them to get in quietly.
 
gus-lopez said:
Yes you either need internal locks or do what i did & drill through the B pillar into the A pillar for 12mm stainless steel pins fitted from the rear.
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won't be doing any drilling ,and i think mine's as secure as i can get it and don't really think anyone could get in while i'm in it due to the amount of stuff at the front of the seats. I do have a rolex watch and a few grand in the glovebox (for insurance purposes) just in case and they wont need to go any further.:LOL:

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Stealaway said:
I've just checked again.
That is maximum you can force the door open
You might reach the strap with a long carvings knife.
You definitely can't reach inside with your hand.
I could adjust it a bit tighter but I think it's fine

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If you used the seat belt socket on the opposite side of the van there wouldn’t be any movement of the door at all. 👍

Ian
 
Stealaway said:
I don't know what you mean --on the opposite sides of the van
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If I understand what you’re doing, you’re attaching a strap (that goes round your door handle) and plugs into your seatbelt socket.

Instead of using the seatbelt socket on the same side of the vehichle that the door’s on, use the one on the other side of the van.

Or am I misunderstanding what you’re doing?

Ian
 
bigtwin said:
If I understand what you’re doing, you’re attaching a strap (that goes round your door handle) and plugs into your seatbelt socket.

Instead of using the seatbelt socket on the same side of the vehichle that the door’s on, use the one on the other side of the van.

Or am I misunderstanding what you’re doing?

Ian
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From the photo posted eariler in this thread, it looks to me that the seat is rotated through 180 to use the seatbelt socket.

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bigtwin said:
If I understand what you’re doing, you’re attaching a strap (that goes round your door handle) and plugs into your seatbelt socket.

Instead of using the seatbelt socket on the same side of the vehichle that the door’s on, use the one on the other side of the van.

Or am I misunderstanding what you’re doing?

Ian
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Oh I see.
No they are quite short and not long enough to reach.
They live fastened around the door arm rest and click into the seat belt lock when the seat's are spun around.
That makes them more than tight enough

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Stealaway said:
They live fastened around the door arm rest and click into the seat belt lock when the seat's are spun around.
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Now I've had time to think there's a simpler solution to make them tighter, put the chair armrest down and put the strap over it, that mean that the seat belt clip holder can't be pulled sideways if the door is pulled, the only way anyone would be able to get past this would be if they were already inside to lower the armrest (using it's up/down roller) so wouldn't happen.
 
Spriddler said:
I'm really mystified at how a m/h can be broken into and the occupants robbed without being woken up.
The scrotes must be very highly skilled, rather like the entertaining pickpockets who chat for a minute with the interviewer or someone from the audience and then hand them back their watch or wallet.
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Me too. Good idea to put your wallet and cash under your pillow. If they turn nasty you can shoot ’em with the gun also kept under the pillow. Simples.
 
We’re in another motorway Aire this evening, we’ve also noticed in the past some refrigerator trucks moved away without us hearing, tonight we will secure the van as we should have done last night, and will sleep soundly, we always leave the bedroom door open but never heard a sound, cards and cash gone, we still have one car to carry on with, CARRY ON REGARDLESS 👍

I am sorry to hear of your loss.

It has been said many times on here that one should not stay overnight on motorway aires.

I am surprised to see that you are staying on one again.

Sorry to be so negative but it’s for your own good
 
Spriddler said:
I'm really mystified at how a m/h can be broken into and the occupants robbed without being woken up.
The scrotes must be very highly skilled, rather like the entertaining pickpockets who chat for a minute with the interviewer or someone from the audience and then hand them back their watch or wallet.
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The occupants cannot be 'robbed', under English Law, unless

"A person is guilty of robbery if the person steals, and immediately before or at the time of doing so, and in order to do so, they use force on any person or puts or seeks to put any person in fear of being then and there subjected to force."

So if they are asleep they cannot be 'in fear'.

There may have been 'Theft' but not 'Robbery'.

The expression 'robbed' has been imported into UK wrongly from America, as have lots of other things.

The distinction becomes important in sentencing as threats to the person are considered more aggressive than just theft.

Of course the law and legal definitions in other jurisdictions may be different.
 
Saddened to read all the incidents in this thread. We work on the assumption that these scumbags are lazy b's. Growler alarm always set in an aire, heosafe cab door locks, additional visible locks on the garage doors. One also on the hab door for when we are out of the vehicle. If we stop on an aire during the day for something we rarely leave the MH unattended. If we are just having a cuppa we flick the central locking too.
Our wallets, purses and the likes stay in the bedroom area with us at night.
If there is a row of MH's somewhere and one is armed up to the nines, if I were them I would try elsewhere.
As other posters have said, there are always Aires in villages close to the motorway to go to. Generally a far better experience.
Thankfully for us, our experiences have thus far been very pleasant. Long may this reamain the case for us all.
Jim has penned an excellent article on personal security in general posted on here. It is full of good tips and observations for when you are travelling at anytime, not just in the MH.
Safe travels all.
 
All this talk of been robbed got me wondering is it just on Aires or are sites abroad just not safe , so how many people have been robbed on sites compared to Aires, going by the post it seems that it is more prevalent on Aires.

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I use some adjustable straps from laptop bags but will look for better having read this.
 
nicholsong said:
The occupants cannot be 'robbed', under English Law, unless

"A person is guilty of robbery if the person steals, and immediately before or at the time of doing so, and in order to do so, they use force on any person or puts or seeks to put any person in fear of being then and there subjected to force."

So if they are asleep they cannot be 'in fear'.

There may have been 'Theft' but not 'Robbery'.

The expression 'robbed' has been imported into UK wrongly from America, as have lots of other things.

The distinction becomes important in sentencing as threats to the person are considered more aggressive than just theft.

Of course the law and legal definitions in other jurisdictions may be different.
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Does really matter what you call it as the effect is the same
 
nicholsong said:
The occupants cannot be 'robbed', under English Law, unless

"A person is guilty of robbery if the person steals, and immediately before or at the time of doing so, and in order to do so, they use force on any person or puts or seeks to put any person in fear of being then and there subjected to force."

So if they are asleep they cannot be 'in fear'.

There may have been 'Theft' but not 'Robbery'.

The expression 'robbed' has been imported into UK wrongly from America, as have lots of other things.

The distinction becomes important in sentencing as threats to the person are considered more aggressive than just theft.

Of course the law and legal definitions in other jurisdictions may be different.
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To the non legally trained…Robbed is acceptable. It’s only when it comes to legal definition and charges it really matters. 🤷‍♂️ (y)

Dealers prices…..’Daylight Robbery’.:giggle:
 
nicholsong said:
I think not, because theft is uncomfortable when you discover it later, but having a knife put to your throat to steal something must be much more alarming.

That is the difference between theft and robbery.
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But Joe Average doesn’t know the legal difference……trust me. ;)

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