Recurrent Injector Issues with 2019 Transit Vans

[TSD1623]

It’s a tray that sits on top of the engine and diverts the ingressing rainwater away from the fuel injectors View attachment 925260

Thank you.

 

[TSD1623]

It’s a tray that sits on top of the engine and diverts the ingressing rainwater away from the fuel injectors View attachment 925260

Where can I find such an item, or was it simply made by a contributor to the forum? Thanks.

 

[Aly1]

Where can I find such an item, or was it simply made by a contributor to the forum? Thanks.

Rob Drew on the Adamo owners FB group sells them. I will see if I have his messenger contact details still and PM you.

 

[Aly1]

 

[TSD1623]

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Sorry for late reply but thank you for taking the time to respond. Very much appreciated.

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[Jonno1103]

Update, injector 1 replaced by Ford under warranty, thankfully. Asked for an explanation, was told that the problem was due to the long time that the base vehicles spend sitting around between being manufactured and then converted. I then said that this could be understandable if this was the first time the injector had been replaced but this was the second time. Was then told that I need to be driving more to stop this from happening as the injector tips corrode if not used enough. Haven't managed to find any mechanic who supports this statement. Also was told that fuel additives can cause this problem. BS in my opinion.

The issue is caused by an engine air valve which in motorhomes used periodically causes condensation build up. There is a Ford software patch to permanently close the valve without any problems. If you don't use your moho all the time best practice is to drive it once a month for a minimum of 15 minutes at 2000 rpm. The cures it.

The other issue is with the BCM. Condensation irrigates down inside the windscreen through the dashboard and damages it. Ford have a moho specific cowl to deflect it or use of an external thermal screen cover sorts it too. If you have hab' air con use this as it'll dehumidify the whole van interior. Internal Remis blinds are simply for privacy, they offer zero thermal protection.

 

[Jonno1103]

Thank you.

Doesn't work. I know hire companies that have spent a fortune fitting this only to have their injectors fail on multiple vans. Water irrigating through the rain scuttle is caused by a poor fitting screen surround trim... it doesn't get anywhere near injectors on an Ecoblue Panther engine, they're buried deep centrally in the engine block. It was a big issue on the older Duratec engine where the injectors are housed exposed at the rear of the block. It was also an issue on PSA cars & vans too when they shared the engine until 2017... The Citroen Grand Picasso & Pug Partner were renowned for it.

If your moho is still under the Ford 3 year warranty they will replace and rectify the issue FOC.

All of the modern images you see on facebook & youtube of bright orange 'rusty' injectors is a load of rubbish... It's the colour of heat paste.

 

[Sandancers]

The issue is caused by an engine air valve which in motorhomes used periodically causes condensation build up. There is a Ford software patch to permanently close the valve without any problems. If you don't use your moho all the time best practice is to drive it once a month for a minimum of 15 minutes at 2000 rpm. The cures it.

The other issue is with the BCM. Condensation irrigates down inside the windscreen through the dashboard and damages it. Ford have a moho specific cowl to deflect it or use of an external thermal screen cover sorts it too. If you have hab' air con use this as it'll dehumidify the whole van interior. Internal Remis blinds are simply for privacy, they offer zero thermal protection.

I have a mk 7 2.2l fwd engine, does the air valve you refer to above exist in my engine, if so whereabouts is it located ?

Thanks.

 

[Jonno1103]

I have a mk 7 2.2l fwd engine, does the air valve you refer to above exist in my engine, if so whereabouts is it located ?

Thanks.

Different engine, you have the Duratorq, the Puma, which was also used in the Peugeot Boxer. This engine is renowned for injector issues due to their placement high up under the rain scuttle. The Citroen & Pug SUV's, people carriers and the smaller vans also suffer.

It was used in the MK8 until very late 2016. 2016/'17 model year vans tend to be the first with the Ecoblue, the Panther. The injectors are centrally mounted deep down.

 

[gus-lopez]

I have a mk 7 2.2l fwd engine, does the air valve you refer to above exist in my engine, if so whereabouts is it located ?

Thanks.

No

This engine is renowned for injector issues due to their placement high up under the rain scuttle.

Easy fix as it is caused by the wiper motor fixing holes for either left or right hand drive being unused & allowing the water that gets under the plastic trim of the lower windscreen to drip down & fill up around the injectors.on a left hand drive it is usually 1& 2. I just sealed the spare holes off & no more water except exiting wher it should on either side.

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[Jonno1103]

No

Easy fix as it is caused by the wiper motor fixing holes for either left or right hand drive being unused & allowing the water that gets under the plastic trim of the lower windscreen to drip down & fill up around the injectors.on a left hand drive it is usually 1& 2. I just sealed the spare holes off & no more water except exiting wher it should on either side.

I agree gus, an easy fix. Problem is not many bother.

 

[Dave1966]

Well the latest is that, following #1 injector getting replaced in may, we have just managed to get away for a few days. The van has been run since, but just out for a habitation check (130 miles round trip) and a service at my local workshop. On the way back today, just as we turned onto the main A30, juddering again, limp mode and stranded on the side of the road. Breakdown truck called, diagnosed #3 injector this time. Recovered to the main dealer who changed #1 back in May, told me that initially a £168.00 diagnostic fee is due before they can get the van into the workshop, maybe not for another 3 weeks but they will try. At my wits end now, have emailed Lisa Brankin at Ford as per meanders suggestion above. Begining to wonder whether Ford have a batch of old injectors that they are using up.

 

[L' Hobo]

Well the latest is that, following #1 injector getting replaced in may, we have just managed to get away for a few days. The van has been run since, but just out for a habitation check (130 miles round trip) and a service at my local workshop. On the way back today, just as we turned onto the main A30, juddering again, limp mode and stranded on the side of the road. Breakdown truck called, diagnosed #3 injector this time. Recovered to the main dealer who changed #1 back in May, told me that initially a £168.00 diagnostic fee is due before they can get the van into the workshop, maybe not for another 3 weeks but they will try. At my wits end now, have emailed Lisa Brankin at Ford as per meanders suggestion above. Begining to wonder whether Ford have a batch of old injectors that they are using up.

Sorry I haven't read the full thread but a few years ago, a friend of mine had similar problems and, after replacing 3 different injectors on 3 different occasions, he was lucky to find a man who found the problem in the wiring harness to the injectors (it had been chaffing a known fault apparently) and fixed it.
Sadly cannot ask him as he's no longer with us.

 

[Aly1]

Well the latest is that, following #1 injector getting replaced in may, we have just managed to get away for a few days. The van has been run since, but just out for a habitation check (130 miles round trip) and a service at my local workshop. On the way back today, just as we turned onto the main A30, juddering again, limp mode and stranded on the side of the road. Breakdown truck called, diagnosed #3 injector this time. Recovered to the main dealer who changed #1 back in May, told me that initially a £168.00 diagnostic fee is due before they can get the van into the workshop, maybe not for another 3 weeks but they will try. At my wits end now, have emailed Lisa Brankin at Ford as per meanders suggestion above. Begining to wonder whether Ford have a batch of old injectors that they are using up.

I’m a member of a few FB groups and apparently you need to replace all 4 injectors at the same time. Ford UK are authorising this on vehicles within the warranty period.

 

[Aly1]

Doesn't work. I know hire companies that have spent a fortune fitting this only to have their injectors fail on multiple vans. Water irrigating through the rain scuttle is caused by a poor fitting screen surround trim... it doesn't get anywhere near injectors on an Ecoblue Panther engine, they're buried deep centrally in the engine block. It was a big issue on the older Duratec engine where the injectors are housed exposed at the rear of the block. It was also an issue on PSA cars & vans too when they shared the engine until 2017... The Citroen Grand Picasso & Pug Partner were renowned for it.

If your moho is still under the Ford 3 year warranty they will replace and rectify the issue FOC.

All of the modern images you see on facebook & youtube of bright orange 'rusty' injectors is a load of rubbish... It's the colour of heat paste.

Apparently the tray stops the external corrosion though so makes the injectors easier to remove when they fail. After having to pay to get my injector drilled out and the other 3 changed as they showed signs of external corrosion I really don’t trust that water can’t get to the injectors and would rather spend out on a tray than a specialist to drill the injectors out.

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[Dave1966]

I’m a member of a few FB groups and apparently you need to replace all 4 injectors at the same time. Ford UK are authorising this on vehicles within the warranty period.

I’m a member of a few FB groups and apparently you need to replace all 4 injectors at the same time. Ford UK are authorising this on vehicles within the warranty period.

All four were replaced under warranty in 2021, 2 of those have since failed!

 

[Aly1]

All four were replaced under warranty in 2021, 2 of those have since failed!

That’s awful. Do you think they were faulty? It’s so strange that some people have no problems and others have repeated failures.

 

[Aly1]

The issue is caused by an engine air valve which in motorhomes used periodically causes condensation build up. There is a Ford software patch to permanently close the valve without any problems. If you don't use your moho all the time best practice is to drive it once a month for a minimum of 15 minutes at 2000 rpm. The cures it.

The other issue is with the BCM. Condensation irrigates down inside the windscreen through the dashboard and damages it. Ford have a moho specific cowl to deflect it or use of an external thermal screen cover sorts it too. If you have hab' air con use this as it'll dehumidify the whole van interior. Internal Remis blinds are simply for privacy, they offer zero thermal protection.

Does this Ford software patch to close the valve get done automatically if the van goes into a Ford garage for its service, or is it something you can request is done? Can an independent garage do it or does it need to be a Ford garage?

 

[jerryz]

Ford are talking complete nonsense ,,,they have injector problems on regularly used high mileage vans and cars and petrol models it FORD that is at fault for rubbish quality ,, bad design , same as the wet belt engine scandal.....FORD = FRAUD

 

[Jonno1103]

Ford are talking complete nonsense ,,,they have injector problems on regularly used high mileage vans and cars and petrol models it FORD that is at fault for rubbish quality ,, bad design , same as the wet belt engine scandal.....FORD = FRAUD

Better tell VW of your insight as the ecoblue is going in their vans from 2025.

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[Jonno1103]

Does this Ford software patch to close the valve get done automatically if the van goes into a Ford garage for its service, or is it something you can request is done? Can an independent garage do it or does it need to be a Ford garage?

Ask them. No independants can't do it and nor do they access to Ford's software & data for the Ecoblue engine. This means services done on the engine which can't be uploaded aren't recognised.

If your van is on the older Duratec engine which Peugeot also used it's a different issue.

 

[Jonno1103]

Apparently the tray stops the external corrosion though so makes the injectors easier to remove when they fail. After having to pay to get my injector drilled out and the other 3 changed as they showed signs of external corrosion I really don’t trust that water can’t get to the injectors and would rather spend out on a tray than a specialist to drill the injectors out.

Do you have a Duratec or Ecoblue engine? The latter was intoduced late 2016.

 

[Aly1]

Do you have a Duratec or Ecoblue engine? The latter was intoduced late 2016.

Ecoblue

 

[Dave1966]

Well after an email to Lisa Brankin (thanks meanders). customer services at Ford were in touch within 24 hours. Since then they have agreed to changing out all 4 injectors at their cost, even though Van is out of warranty. They said I could pay a small sum if I wanted a guarantee on the parts which I declined. Sadly the van will be leaving us once it is fixed which is a great shame as the layout suited us perfectly (it was our third van!!). But I have lost all faith in the Ford 2.0 engine.

The dealer was aware of the software patch for the air valve but said it wasn't possible to say whether it had been done or was necessary due to the way Ford roll out software patches, they often combine several patches into one update. Also he was unaware of any issues with chafed wiring on this design.

 

[PlacidoD]

Do you have a Duratec or Ecoblue engine? The latter was intoduced late 2016.

At the risk of appearing pedantic (but it would impact on those doing e.g a Google search) it is actually Duratorq not Duratec (There is/was a Duratec but it is a 1.1 litre unit):

What Is a Duratorq Engine?

The Ford Duratorq engine, commonly referred to as Duratorq, is the name of a range of Ford diesel engines first introduced in 2000. A new EcoBlue diesel engine range will progressively replace the Duratorq engines from 2016. You can find out more information on...

www.ford.co.uk

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[mcn]

I have the Rob Drew tray and various other modifications to prevent water ingress now. The amount of rain water the Rob Drew tray collects and drains is massive!
One of my fuel injectors sheared off due to corrosion. I had to be taken to a garage on a flat bed truck as it was leaking diesel.
I had to have that injector drilled out and as the other injectors showed some corrosion I got them changed as well.

Hi Aly1 You mentioned one of your injectors sheared off. Did this just happen randomly while you were driving the vehicle or when the injector was being removed? If it happened while driving, what did the vehicle do? Did it just stop immediately? Were you travelling at speed? I am guessing it was injector no. 1 as well is that right? Thanks

 

[Aly1]

Hi Aly1 You mentioned one of your injectors sheared off. Did this just happen randomly while you were driving the vehicle or when the injector was being removed? If it happened while driving, what did the vehicle do? Did it just stop immediately? Were you travelling at speed? I am guessing it was injector no. 1 as well is that right?

I had taken my van out of storage (about 0.25miles away) the night before and it drove fine. I left to go on my travels the next day and within 100m my van went into limp mode. No warning lights. The AA came out and I was recovered on a flat bed truck as diesel was leaking onto the road. It was injector 2. The garage said they couldn’t remove it as due to corrosion it was snapped, I don’t know whether they snapped it or it was completely corroded. All injectors showed signs of corrosion so after no2 was drilled out I got all of them changed, the other 3 came out with the puller.
I now have the pleasure of having a 6 year old transit so I’m about to sell one of my kidneys to get the wet belt changed.

 

[Dave1966]

Sadly the Chausson van is now history, as mentioned above I have lost all faith in the Ford engine so it has been traded in. Fiat is the way forward for us now so another steep learning curve I think. Thanks to all who have contributed to this saga.