Prices in cafes and restaurants

[BikerGraham]

You northerners must be rich, no way I would pay that, rather go without.

Shooiooo Lenny, don’t let on to everyone else please…

Up here a £40k job and you’re rich. All down to house prices and reasonable pub prices.

Mind you house prices are generally on the way up here now though too. But a long way to go still to match you southerners

 

[gus-lopez]

Morrisons 5 jam/custard/salted caramel doughnuts around 60p ...

yes I always go for the 5x jam .

here toast & tomato + toast ,tomato & sausages (jac) + 1 coffee = 4,20€
Went in a place in Águilas the other day 1 x coffee 2 x toast & tomato = 2,80€ ? even i struggle with that & price has been the same for the last 3 years, at least.
Over the road to daughter's in Brighton you can get a variety of breakfast dependent on size the smaller one is ideal for Jac or i @£4,50. The largest one is the size of a dustbin lid & Three sausages, two eggs, three bacon rashers, two tomatoes, two hash browns, two slices of bread, a beef burger, black pudding mushrooms, baked beans and a portion of chips. & enough for 4 people.

 

[Lenny HB]

Shooiooo Lenny, don’t let on to everyone else please…

Up here a £40k job and you’re rich. All down to house prices and reasonable pub prices.

Mind you house prices are generally on the way up here now though too. But a long way to go still to match you southerners

Never even earnt ½ of that when I was working.

 

[3 cabbages]

My first wage was Two pounds Five and Thruppence, FOR A 42 HOUR WEEK!

 

[JJ]

Don't worry folks...

This Tory government will soon have the cost of living and energy crisis under control and you will all be living in "clover".

JJ

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[Spriddler]

And you can make a great Jewish Penicillin (chicken soup) with the carcass and a few veggies

I've not eaten chicken soup for the 40 years since my FIL made some with Boxing Day left-overs and left it at the side of the ESSE overnight.
A rancid and nauseating smell like vomit hung around in the kitchen for several days.
(We were accustomed to looking out for fag ash in his trifles).

 

[BikerGraham]

Never even earnt ½ of that when I was working.

Bloody hell mate <£20k. I feel for you. You have my respect for investing very wisely.

I remember talking to operators at Procter and Gamble factory in Hayes in 1987 ( I was there in general election day) who were on more than £33k then.

I know the north is paid less than the south but I surpassed that amount (£20k) in the early 90’s in a factory. Mind you it was a chemical plant.

I get to visit many sites around the country and some of the salaries down south are eye watering and I’m not looking at senior roles either.

 

[3 cabbages]

Don't worry folks...

This Tory government will soon have the cost of living and energy crisis under control and you will all be living in "clover".

JJ

Is clover near Sandbanks!

 

[Lenny HB]

Bloody hell mate <£20k. I feel for you. You have my respect for investing very wisely.

I remember talking to operators at Procter and Gamble factory in Hayes in 1987 ( I was there in general election day) who were on more than £33k then.

I know the north is paid less than the south but I surpassed that amount (£20k) in the early 90’s in a factory. Mind you it was a chemical plant.

I get to visit many sites around the country and some of the salaries down south are eye watering and I’m not looking at senior roles either.

You must only meet a selected few not that many of normal workers down here earn over 30k and a 1st time buyers house is £280k to £300k.

 

[JJ]

If "clover" was the name of a place it would have started with a capital letter "C".

It didn't so it isn't.

JJ

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[Trevor Wbm]

At the risk of stating the bleedin' obvious, cafes restaurants and bars buy products in and apply a mark-up that gives them the required profit to cover rent, wages, utilities, music licences, maintenance, TV, and some income for the owners who take the risk of opening the business. Everything we have to pay for has increased in price over the last two years.

Our beer prices have been increased and will be going up again soon.
Ourt electricity bill went from around £800 a month to £1400 - and that was January before the real hike came in.
We have increased what we pay staff to attract and retain them - we are still not up to a full complement. (I don't have an issue with that, but it still needs paying for).
Our rent has gone up by £3000 a year.
Our cellar gas has gone up.
Supermarkets sell alcoholic drink at lower prices than our wholesalers. (We can't officially buy from them, and if we did the cost of going and getting the stock would offset a lot of the benefit).
We have reduced what we take out of the business by around 40%. That may go to 100% if we want to keep our staff employed over winter.

.... so being told we're ripping you all off by charging what we do wears a bit thin after a while.

 

[BikerGraham]

You must only meet a selected few not that many of normal workers down here earn over 30k and a 1st time buyers house is £280k to £300k.

Yep when I am down there I do let them know they have my sympathy about house prices. Cost of living is ridiculous.
That’s one of the things about up here. We don’t have then weather but if your in a fairly decent job then quality of life is canny.

Mind you I haven’t met many on less than £30k to be honest. Very few in fact.

 

[BikerGraham]

At the risk of stating the bleedin' obvious, cafes restaurants and bars buy products in and apply a mark-up that gives them the required profit to cover rent, wages, utilities, music licences, maintenance, TV, and some income for the owners who take the risk of opening the business. Everything we have to pay for has increase in price over the last two years.

Our beer prices have been increased and will be going up again soon.
Ourt electricity bill went from around £800 a month to £1400 - and that was January before the real hike came in.
We have increased what we pay staff to attract and retain them - we are still not up to a full complement. (I don't have an issue with that, but it still needs paying for).
Our rent has gone up by £3000 a year.
Our cellar gas has gone up.
Supermarkets sell alcoholic drink at lower prices than our wholesalers. (We can't officially buy from them, and if we did the cost of going and getting the stock would offset a lot of the benefit).
We have reduced what we take out of the business by around 40%. That may go to 100% if we want to keep our staff employed over winter.

.... so being told we're ripping you all off by charging what we do wears a bit thin after a while.

Was talking to our local landlady recently and the increases in her costs are mind blowing. Thing is there is only so much the public will accept in increased pint prices. It’s not looking a good future

 

[Barryh]

At the risk of stating the bleedin' obvious, cafes restaurants and bars buy products in and apply a mark-up that gives them the required profit to cover rent, wages, utilities, music licences, maintenance, TV, and some income for the owners who take the risk of opening the business. Everything we have to pay for has increase in price over the last two years.

Our beer prices have been increased and will be going up again soon.
Ourt electricity bill went from around £800 a month to £1400 - and that was January before the real hike came in.
We have increased what we pay staff to attract and retain them - we are still not up to a full complement. (I don't have an issue with that, but it still needs paying for).
Our rent has gone up by £3000 a year.
Our cellar gas has gone up.
Supermarkets sell alcoholic drink at lower prices than our wholesalers. (We can't officially buy from them, and if we did the cost of going and getting the stock would offset a lot of the benefit).
We have reduced what we take out of the business by around 40%. That may go to 100% if we want to keep our staff employed over winter.

.... so being told we're ripping you all off by charging what we do wears a bit thin after a while.

You’re probably banging your head against a wall. I’ve explained several times what it costs to run a proper campsite and keep people in work, but many folk just don’t want to know. Good luck with your business.

 

[rob1234]

went to our local pub beefeater ,,they send deals all the time ,,i had mixed grill ,,,other half had sirloin ,,i used my points to get a free bottle of wine,,but i upgraded to a nice shiraz for a extra £3 the bill £13,,,gave the waitress a £5 tip ,,cos she was my daughter ,, they do so cracking deals

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[sueandjohn]

And given the huge rise in costs etc etc blah blah... what's your evidence they're "ripping tourists off "

Attitudes like that explain why places are closing.

Yes I agree Langtoftlad . The increased costs and problems that catering businesses face are unbelievable . They don’t have the ‘luxury’ of elec/gas prices being fixed - read what Tom Kerridge had to say . Catering food supplies increased 100-300% since pre covid , wages have increased , but staff are impossible to recruit , businesses are closing all over the country Etc etc

 

[sueandjohn]

You’re probably banging your head against a wall. I’ve explained several times what it costs to run a proper campsite and keep people in work, but many folk just don’t want to know. Good luck with your business.

My sympathies - I understand as we closed our business . Now is the time to support small businesses or lose them

 

[Lenny HB]

The big problem is that businesses costs are rising but if the customer's income is not going up they are not going to spend more than they need.
We live off pensions an the increases aren't enough to pay for the increase costs of a lot of services. I'm afraid we will carry on going abroad in our Motorhome where we can live for 6 weeks for the same cost two or three weeks would cost in the UK.
UK price increases appear to be far higher than other countries.

 

[Carpmart]

We enjoy eating out to help out!

 

[Spriddler]

Was talking to our local landlady recently and the increases in her costs are mind blowing.

The chickens are coming home to roost for my hitherto 'wealthy' BIL who has mortgages on about half a dozen Buy-To-Let properties in Brighton.

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[BikerGraham]

The chickens are coming home to roost for my hitherto 'wealthy' BIL who has mortgages on about half a dozen Buy-To-Let properties in Brighton.

Sorry this was a publican landlady but I agree with you.

The buy to let landlords have to learn to take the rough with the smooth. Like all investments, there can be losses to ensure.

 

[Langtoftlad]

The big problem is that businesses costs are rising but if the customer's income is not going up they are not going to spend more than they need.
We live off pensions an the increases aren't enough to pay for the increase costs of a lot of services. .

This is so true

UK price increases appear to be far higher than other countries.

This is less true... but fits your chip/bias.

 

[Carpmart]

Is there suddenly a property glut? I thought there was never ending demand for rentals?

If you have mortgaged BTL properties, then surely you’ve not done them all on 100% mortgages and no fixed rates? If you have, then frankly you deserve all the ever changing market dishes out to you!

 

[Trevor Wbm]

The big problem is that businesses costs are rising but if the customer's income is not going up they are not going to spend more than they need.
We live off pensions an the increases aren't enough to pay for the increase costs of a lot of services. I'm afraid we will carry on going abroad in our Motorhome where we can live for 6 weeks for the same cost two or three weeks would cost in the UK.
UK price increases appear to be far higher than other countries.

Ironically it's our administration and maintenance duties at the bar that stop us doing the same!

 

[georgio]

We had big pot of tea for 2 and 2 scones with fresh jam and whipped cream in skipton yesterday for 12 pounds 30 . Money well spent. Cafe was full as well.

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[Coastal Cruiser.]

At the risk of stating the bleedin' obvious, cafes restaurants and bars buy products in and apply a mark-up that gives them the required profit to cover rent, wages, utilities, music licences, maintenance, TV, and some income for the owners who take the risk of opening the business. Everything we have to pay for has increase in price over the last two years.

Our beer prices have been increased and will be going up again soon.
Ourt electricity bill went from around £800 a month to £1400 - and that was January before the real hike came in.
We have increased what we pay staff to attract and retain them - we are still not up to a full complement. (I don't have an issue with that, but it still needs paying for).
Our rent has gone up by £3000 a year.
Our cellar gas has gone up.
Supermarkets sell alcoholic drink at lower prices than our wholesalers. (We can't officially buy from them, and if we did the cost of going and getting the stock would offset a lot of the benefit).
We have reduced what we take out of the business by around 40%. That may go to 100% if we want to keep our staff employed over winter.

.... so being told we're ripping you all off by charging what we do wears a bit thin after a while.

Profit is a dirty word for a lot who have not worked for themselves!!
They think anyone who runs a business is exploiting workers and making a mint.
It’s not much fun waking up on a Monday morning knowing you have to make £50k by Friday to pay the bills, then hopefully a bit more on top.

 

[Coastal Cruiser.]

you’ve not done them all on 100% mortgages and no fixed rates

No such thing as 100% on BTL, over the last few years if you could get 75% I would say you were very lucky.
With the current market it may be when you come to remortgage 60-65% will be the max

 

[BikerGraham]

Profit is a dirty word for a lot who have not worked for themselves!!
They think anyone who runs a business is exploiting workers and making a mint.
It’s not much fun waking up on a Monday morning knowing you have to make £50k by Friday to pay the bills, then hopefully a bit more on top.

Or even getting back to the office on Thursday 12th March 2020 and finding emails cancelling work. Then within 48 hours having all booking and paid work cancelled. Then to have the business shut down for the 1st lockdown. No income and virtually no help but everything still to pay. It was bloody scary.

And being told you should have put something away for a rainy day. Yep we did but this wasn’t a rainy day. It was a monsoon

 

[chrisgreen]

Don't worry folks...

This Tory government will soon have the cost of living and energy crisis under control and you will all be living in "clover".

JJ

Plenty living in clover in Liverpool tonight

 

[Coastal Cruiser.]

Or even getting back to the office on Thursday 12th March 2020 and finding emails cancelling work. Then within 48 hours having all booking and paid work cancelled. Then to have the business shut down for the 1st lockdown. No income and virtually no help but everything still to pay. It was bloody scary.

And being told you should have put something away for a rainy day. Yep we did but this wasn’t a rainy day. It was a monsoon

Or having firms twice go into receivership owing you 6 figure sums

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