Options being Considered in Fife for the Future of MH Parking - Consultation Paper

[funflair]

I can see the 6 metre rule being a bit limiting and can’t honestly see that the French will understand, you think that £10 per night is expensive but the when you consider you are paying for 3 spots really.

Martin

 

[irnbru]

I can see the 6 metre rule being a bit limiting and can’t honestly see that the French will understand, you think that £10 per night is expensive but the when you consider you are paying for 3 spots really.

Martin

I get your point about the 3 spaces but its a free car park. Yep, I think £10 is excessive to park as you've still got to pay extra to empty your black on top of that. I'm not a member but I believe some CLs only charge around that to camp including dumping...or is it CS, I'm not a member of that either.

 

[funflair]

I get your point about the 3 spaces but its a free car park. Yep, I think £10 is excessive to park as you've still got to pay extra to empty your black on top of that. I'm not a member but I believe some CLs only charge around that to camp including dumping...or is it CS, I'm not a member of that either.

I tend to agree Sandra for £10 you/I would want water and dump, personally I would have thought 3 metres gap would be more sensible.

Martin

 

[irnbru]

I tend to agree Sandra for £10 you/I would want water and dump, personally I would have thought 3 metres gap would be more sensible.

Martin

We don't even get 3 metres at Millport but we do get water and dump for our tenner plus we can put awnings out depending on our position.

 

[Baileysbus]

I’ve sent my thoughts in to the guy who authored the report. As I live in Fife too I felt I should!
As someone who’s knocked out consultation papers for a living in my past, although this one was a bit more positive towards motorhomes, it still came across as we are a problem that needs to be solved and that it’s only councils that can deal with the issue.
In the conclusion section it talks about the economic benefits of motorhomes but doesn’t take that further in the report.
That’s where I think the opportunity is ....... we tend to travel about at all times of the year so can help extend the tourist season...... in Fife, if facilities were there, folk might go off piste to visit, rather than always head north ..... existing village/community halls could have underused car parking which we could use, so spreading the benefit of any overnight charges ....... farm shops / breweries ... a bit like France Passion .... better publicity about facilities and being more welcoming all would help!

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[bigtwin]

irnbru funflair

The report says:

Industry guidance in relation to tents, caravans and motorhome is that units should be pitched at least 6 metres apart to prevent the potential spread of fire. The operators of Unregulated Public Car Parks are limited in what they can do, however not everything is currently being done that is reasonable and practical to reduce the risk in Fife.​

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It‘s clear that they want to do things ’by the book’ so will need persuasive arguments/evidence to allow them to move away from the 6m belief.

Ian

 

[irnbru]

I hope many others take the bother to reply to the report. god knows we moan often enough about lack of facilities, whether you intend to visit the area or not , in the spirit of fun please get typing.

 

[nicholsong]

I can see the 6 metre rule being a bit limiting and can’t honestly see that the French will understand, you think that £10 per night is expensive but the when you consider you are paying for 3 spots really.

Martin

Cars, vans, trucks and buses catch fire but are not subject to this spacing.

Are there any statistics to justify why MHs are more susceptible to this risk than those other classes of vehicle?

Geoff

 

[Grianan]

I replied yesterday.
In short. I’m happy to pay £5 no facilities, £10 with emptying/fresh.
I’m not interested in an annual permit as I may or may not visit Fife more than once in a year.
I had a pleasant response today.

 

[funflair]

Email sent

Martin

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[RustyRuss]

I agree with Grianan and have posted a similar response.

In my admittedly limited experience when we use a Britstops site we normally have a bill in the pub for 2 2 course dinners a bottle or two of wine and a couple of pints which is about £60ish. If you stay on the car park at Elie you’ll spend a similar amount in the fabulous pub you go past to get to the car park!!

Cheers!

 

[funflair]

Cars, vans, trucks and buses catch fire but are not subject to this spacing.

Are there any statistics to justify why MHs are more susceptible to this risk than those other classes of vehicle?

Geoff

I guess it's not to do with any extra susceptibility to fire but the fact that people will be sleeping in said vehicles, saying that though there must be a greater risk of fire with the additional gas appliances.

Martin

 

[Baileysbus]

I agree with Grianan and have posted a similar response.

In my admittedly limited experience when we use a Britstops site we normally have a bill in the pub for 2 2 course dinners a bottle or two of wine and a couple of pints which is about £60ish. If you stay on the car park at Elie you’ll spend a similar amount in the fabulous pub you go past to get to the car park!!

Cheers!

Exactly so. The annexe to the report noting numbers at west beach in 2015 showed 814 motorhomes in the months measured. If that’s say 2 folk per van then maybe that’s going to be £50k spend or thereabouts ......

 

[Rapido925M]

Email sent.

Gordon

 

[irnbru]

What a pretty pathetic response so far from such a large motor homing group Whats up with you all that you cant get behind this and reply . For 40,000 members or so thats been quoted its a pretty poor show.

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[CazPaul]

Interesting read, just seems like another restriction, what about the income that's generated by motorhomers. That's not been considered much has it. Where are the figures for the current estimate of how much income motorhomers, when parked up in car parks, bring to the town.

 

[irnbru]

Interesting read, just seems like another restriction, what about the income that's generated by motorhomers. That's not been considered much has it. Where are the figures for the current estimate of how much income motorhomers, when parked up in car parks, bring to the town.

Have you relayed all these Q to the consultation? If not, why not?

 

[CazPaul]

Have you relayed all these Q to the consultation? If not, why not?

Because I have only this minute just read the thread, been working all week, 7am til 7pm, I will relay over the next few days. Please remember that not everyone is retired on here, that's why I havn't posted all week.

 

[glenn2926]

Sorry all, I cannot open this document on the iPad. If anyone is replying to the consultation document it might be an idea to mention Craven district council in North Yorkshire. They have three Aire type places. These are in Skipton, Settle and Ingleton. I think they charge around £5 for the night. Marked bays (large ones) for motorhomes only. These seem to work very well and I have not seen them being abused. The one in Skipton is very popular and always has a couple of visiting vans.

 

[Baileysbus]

Interesting read, just seems like another restriction, what about the income that's generated by motorhomers. That's not been considered much has it. Where are the figures for the current estimate of how much income motorhomers, when parked up in car parks, bring to the town.

Yup. That’s exactly my point in my posts. It’s a pretty one sided report and hasn’t picked up on the economic benefits nor has it recognised that this could be spread into smaller rural villages away from the coastal bigger towns. Hopefully they’ll pick up on these points if folk can write in pointing them out. Some issues are bigger than just Fife but as someone pointed out at the beginning of the thread, other councils will be watching to see who comes up with a good game plan and will copy it so best to get in there and help them with their thinking.
In my view, this is bigger than the response of councils. We need less “sticks” and more carrots ??

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[RustyRuss]

I posted this to the council officers in Fife......


Dear Sirs,

As a new motorhome owner and potential future returning tourist to your beautiful corner of the world, can I urge that you consider lower fees for your car parks, perhaps an across the board £5 charge regardless of the time of year, coupled to a £2.50 charge for disposal of black waste in an appropriate receptacle? I would urge a finite amount of marked out motor home bays in each carpark. I am aware that you want the scheme to “self fund”, perhaps you could combine an electric vehicle charging point and a motor home electrical “hook up” point so that they occupied adjacent parking bays? This would facilitate the 6metre spacing law admirably. Naturally you could charge for the hook up as you could with the EVCP.


Best Regards,


Russell Aitken,

 

[scotzsue]

We may not have 'aires' as such but we do have a very large number of cl / cs sites which, although very often not near towns, offer camping at reasonable rates. My use of aires has always been as a single night stop en route to my destination and not as a holiday in themselves. The nearest equivalent in the UK is a decent layby or motorway services both of which I use.

at £17 or more for 1 person not really an alternative to european aires

I can see the 6 metre rule being a bit limiting and can’t honestly see that the French will understand, you think that £10 per night is expensive but the when you consider you are paying for 3 spots really.

Martin

my little van only takes the same space as a car

I get your point about the 3 spaces but its a free car park. Yep, I think £10 is excessive to park as you've still got to pay extra to empty your black on top of that. I'm not a member but I believe some CLs only charge around that to camp including dumping...or is it CS, I'm not a member of that either.

some cl/cs charge more than big sites.
seem to have lost who to email, can someone help please?

 

[irnbru]

I received the file from this chap:

Robbie Blyth​

Head of Operations - Fife Coast and Countryside Trust​

Email: robbie.blyth@fifecountryside.co.uk​

The consultation paper provides this e-mail address:

ask.us@fifecountryside.co.uk​

Ian

at £17 or more for 1 person not really an alternative to european aires

my little van only takes the same space as a car


some cl/cs charge more than big sites.
seem to have lost who to email, can someone help please?

 

[bigtwin]

at £17 or more for 1 person not really an alternative to european aires

my little van only takes the same space as a car


some cl/cs charge more than big sites.
seem to have lost who to email, can someone help please?

Options being Considered in Fife for the Future of MH Parking - Consultation Paper

I have yet to read this but thought folks might be interested in its contents and perhaps inclined to send feedback. I believe the authors are open to comments until 31 Jan 2020. Ian

www.motorhomefun.co.uk

Ian

 

[funflair]

at £17 or more for 1 person not really an alternative to european aires

my little van only takes the same space as a car


some cl/cs charge more than big sites.
seem to have lost who to email, can someone help please?

But they will still want you to have 6 metres space before the next van so wasting a lot of valuable space, i would be happy with 3 metres personally, If I wanted 6 I would go to a campsite.

Martin

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[bigtwin]

But they will still want you to have 6 metres space before the next van so wasting a lot of valuable space, i would be happy with 3 metres personally, If I wanted 6 I would go to a campsite.

Martin

They may, or may not, want 6m but they believe that industry guidance is 6m and that is what they will, likely, end up with unless someone is able to provide them with a believable alternative proposition.

Any thoughts?

Ian

 

[jongood]

I dont think that there is time for that - I understand that responses are required by 30 Jan so would urge folks to submit their own responses.

nicholsong irnbru monzer WillH Lenny HB PeteH MisterB jongood sallylillian Jim tonyidle

Ian

Sorry ian, I'm away and keyboard less for the next t few weeks.

 

[jongood]

But they will still want you to have 6 metres space before the next van so wasting a lot of valuable space, i would be happy with 3 metres personally, If I wanted 6 I would go to a campsite.

Martin

I must have been door to door at least a few hundred times it doesn't bother me in the slightest as location/view is what we want.

In all those times seen one incident where a guys mh starting smoking due to Moroccan ehu and it smoked until the fuse blew.

 

[jongood]

Sorry guys im3 really struggling with small screen and sri lankan wifi
I mentioned the NZ scheme earlier. The Nzmca has set up hundreds of freecamping stops all over NZ along with public dump stations (bornes) to stay on one you need to have a certified self containment certificate and there is also a numbered sticker system for NZMca so if people take the mick they get kicked out. Its an excellent system but I cannot put anything together before next week. Anyone else gancy giving it a go?
Jon

 

[glenn2926]

What’s this 6 metre law thing? As far as I am aware it is only the big two that advocate this. I am certainly not aware of it being law. The spaces that my local council provide are just large parking spaces designated for motorhomes only. By mentioning this to councils considering providing us with over nights we are just giving more ammunition to prevent it going ahead.
If it is law how do Craven district council get away with it?

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