Not strictly speaking a motorhome question but it could well be relevant to some of us

[Marty Gilly and Pup]

I think the risk in this situation is that some people will get lucky and get through either without hassle or just a slapped wrist or small fine, whereas another person might make a judgment call based on that evidence of leniency and come a right cropper with serious and longer consequences.
If the law says 90 days, I’ll stick to that, regardless of an individuals slice of good luck which will certainly get reported at some point. There will be both good and bad stories forthcoming I’m certain.

 

[The Wino]

Bit of an odd thread not least because the action taken against the person overstaying their limit could be totally different to that taken against anyone else it will be a while until the penalty on average for overstaying is seen. Whether someone would be as keen to report on how a friend who was an illegal immigrant in the UK was treated I'm not sure. I see little difference between a person knowingly overstaying in Spain and an immigrant to the UK knowingly remaining here except that one is doing it because it sounds like they think they can ignore the law because they've got money.

 

[Littlewheels]

I see little difference between a person knowingly overstaying in Spain and an immigrant to the UK knowingly remaining here except that one is doing it because it sounds like they think they can ignore the law because they've got money.

I can appreciate your take on this,however,though you were only really allowed to stay 180days at one time post “B” it was generally ignored without any interference from the authorities unless you broke the law.
So many people have had there lives interrupted with many finding it difficult to accept.

 

[Speve]

As the OP has said he was trying to give anyone interested info on what the outcome of his mates trip would be I for one am interested and look forward to the result from Al n Val there are to many opinionated folk on here that seem to want to stir things up all the time what a shame

 

[Al n Val]

Willy also a name for a cock

i've had to come back to this, mainly because we used to have a spaniel called, wait for it...... jess the dog

but also because another name for cock is dick

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[Minxy]

well, I suppose if he is affluent, he can afford to holiday outside the EU. Plenty of places around the world where he can spend his Dinero,

Just read through the thread, as well as a possible fine and/or restrictions to being allowed back into Spain this could also have a consequence of making it difficult to go anywhere in the world - once you overstay somewhere it could mean that other countries will be concerned about the possibility of you doing the same there. I fear his future travel might not be as easy as it was.

 

[Trevor Wbm]

I have a cunning foolproof plan to avoid problems.

I'm going to make sure I understand the rules, and follow them.

 

[Al n Val]

Bit of an odd thread not least because the action taken against the person overstaying their limit could be totally different to that taken against anyone else it will be a while until the penalty on average for overstaying is seen. Whether someone would be as keen to report on how a friend who was an illegal immigrant in the UK was treated I'm not sure. I see little difference between a person knowingly overstaying in Spain and an immigrant to the UK knowingly remaining here except that one is doing it because it sounds like they think they can ignore the law because they've got money.

he's not ignoring the law at all as he knows he's overstayed and willing to accept the consequences, and remember he doesn't even know these posts are being written as for one he isn't a member on this thread and probably doesn't know the forum even exists. But he is willing to accept what comes to him if anything, and promised to let me know purely and simply because he knows we have a motorhome so know the 90/180 rule and what the implications are possibly.

As for money, he's ok, he certainly doesn't splash it around and he definitely doesn't waste it, a lot of posters on here have taken my mentioning of money to heart and wrongly thought because I mentioned how much money some of these people seem to spend on a daily basis, and how much the local economy is losing because of the 90 day rule. I'd like quite a few of the posters on here to re-read my op again and digest it properly, before casting aspersions on someone they don't actually know, to be honest I wish now i'd just said

"My mate has stayed 52 days over the 90" lets see what happens"

but that would not have highlighted how the dozens, possibly 100's of people who have left this little Spanish town might (not will) affect their local economy and what hopefully, well I certainly hope so, happens in the future, and that is the introduction of a longer stay visa.

Or maybe just said nothing and just read the usual posts about toilets, batteries and FLT's

 

[Just smiffy]

I think we put too much self importance on what we British put into the economy of Spain, I think the french, Germans, Dutch and other Europeans will happily fill the void that the British leave …..

 

[Al n Val]

I think we put too much self importance on what we British put into the economy of Spain, I think the french, Germans, Dutch and other Europeans will happily fill the void that the British leave …..

I agree

All the other EU visitors do put economy back into Spain, would I be right in thinking though that they also tend not to drift into the localities as we brits do and spend our money like we do. With that i'm more thinking the other EU's like to sit outside their vans a lot more in groups and have a sing song between themselves or thats how I seem to see things when onsite in Spain, just my opinion though.

Remember the folk i referenced to "ARE NOT MOTOR-HOMERS IN ANY WAY SHAPE OF FORM", these are people who live or have lived full time in Spain for many years who have been asked to leave, these same people, rightly or wrongly, so you choose to decide, who have been over their years, possibly living under the radar, who knows, but have been keeping quite a lot of the local economy buoyant in one way or another.

Yes I know they should have done it the correct way and maybe applied for residency, thats up to them

Don't forget, this thread was to try to pass on any information regarding my mates return to the UK next saturday and what implications he may face in overstaying 90 days.

All the other stuff has been dragged up by others

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[jessthedog]

because we used to have a spaniel called, wait for it...... jess the dog

Did the dog have a kind face like me? Keep smiling Al.

 

[pampam]

Eyup al n val i appreciate your posting,and understand why, i dont think your friend will find out if there are consequences to his actions until he goes on his next jaunt, then he might find out when he trys to enter another country, and is unable to, but if it wasnt officially recognised hed overstayed he should be ok:
the worst case scenario would be paying for a nice luxury holiday ,getting to airport and not being able to go thru passport control ,and having to stay airside,so dont forget to let us know how he gets on with next air travel , (would the whole party have to turn back or just him ?)cheers pampam

 

[Al n Val]

Did the dog have a kind face like me? Keep smiling Al.

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their is a similarity don't you think

 

[jessthedog]

their is a similarity don't you think

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Your Jess is sooo much better looking

 

[Taran_Las]

On a very similar note. Of the drivers who incurred speeding fines in France (due to France's access to DVLA data). Did anyone on this forum not pay up then go back to France successive years with the same vehicle registration and witness any border problems. I just wondered if the non-payment of fines was flagged up at the border.

I do honestly believe (like dabhand ) that when Ursula Von Der Leyen is demoted to a border control position at Calais she will definitely be someone who has a far-reaching effect on one's holidays.

ps - sorry for the hijack

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[gus-lopez]

I just wondered if the non-payment of fines was flagged up at the border.

Non-payers from Portugese fines/failure to pay motorway tolls were escorted to the cash machine. Been mentioned in a few threads.

 

[Taran_Las]

Non-payers from Portugese fines/failure to pay motorway tolls were escorted to the cash machine. Been mentioned in a few threads.

They were fined by post. They left Portugal then returned and were escorted from border control to the ATM?

I'm just wondering if border control are aware of misdemeanors.

 

[Tony50]

he'll spend what he wants

why the xxxx are you lot being so bl$$ding petty and sarcastic, are you xxxxing jealous or summat

if you've nothing to post factual then fact off somewhere else

i'll not bother posting the results of his actions if your not interested, god knows why i waste my time on here as its full of know xxxxall xxxxs

I am among others here very interested in your comments about the subjects you are posting on please continue , ignore the negative

 

[Al n Val]

I am among others here very interested in your comments about the subjects you are posting on please continue , ignore the negative

hi Tony

thats the very reason why I posted what I did simply because I thought it might be of benefit to some of us on here, I was right it seems as some of us are interested, whereas other are just do gooders wanting the worst for people, they cannot be happy for anyone other than themselves it seems.

Does my head in, i've said this before, I thought FB had its heroes but it can't hold a candle to some of them on here

 

[gus-lopez]

They were fined by post. They left Portugal then returned and were escorted from border control to the ATM?

I'm just wondering if border control are aware of misdemeanors.

Yes , by all accounts. Registration check was mentioned in one case?

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[Taran_Las]

Yes , by all accounts. Registration check was mentioned in one case?

Wow. I am surprised. Thanks.

 

[Minxy]

I thought FB had its heroes but it can't hold a candle to some of them on here

To be fair many FB users wouldn't know it was a ruddy candle in the first place, never mind how to hold it!

 

[Al n Val]

To be fair many FB users wouldn't know it was a ruddy candle in the first place, never mind how to hold it!

i agree they must get kicked off FB so join up here

it must be great to hide behind keyboards and spout off once in a while

 

[JJ]

i agree they must get kicked off FB so join up here

it must be great to hide behind keyboards and spout off once in a while

Why are some folk so rude to other folk on our Fun forum?

JJ

 

[Al n Val]

Why are some folk so rude to other folk on our Fun forum?

JJ

no idea, tell me

wishing a complete stranger to “hope he gets all he deserves “ is not my idea fun tbh

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[JJ]

no idea, tell me

If I knew the answer why would I ask the question?

JJ

 

[Eggs]

i agree they must get kicked off FB so join up here

it must be great to hide behind keyboards and spout off once in a while

I'm interested to know how your mate gets on both when he leaves Spain and on his next return, but throwing a load of expletives into your reply didn't really help debate. Let's face it, if someone spoke to you in that manner on a site would you sit back and take it?

As mentioned above many people on Fun would be in the chuck the bugger out after fining him and chopping off his left knacker if he was a foreigner overstaying in the UK.

 

[Al n Val]

To all those genuinely interested these are the results of my mate staying the best part of 2 months over his 90 days, this is not open for ridicule or to wish him a death sentence btw, this is for the factual information just been given to me by him and I promised to let you all know.

So he arrived at Malaga airport saturday morning gone, he's a bit old school and had his "printed" boarding pass and passport to hand when he was called up passport control followed by check in.

Nothing was mentioned to him by anyone regarding him having overstayed his 90 days, no-one stamped his passport either he says.

The passport officer after checking his details smiled and said "Adios" and waved him through.

So thats it, he's back in blighty, no fine, no custodial sentence, no drama, no nothing.

Will did say that if he'd have hired a car, gone to Portugal for a week and stayed in a lovely hotel and flown from a Portugese airport back to the UK, then the £400 it has cost him for the Covid tests would have paid for his extra week holiday, such is life.

It is still his opinion that Spain needs us and our money no matter what anyone else says, he's adamant that Spain is discussing a "way around'' this 90 days issue. He's also adamant that even if France, Germany and Brussels say "NO" then Spain will show them a middle finger, as that is what Spain historically does when it suits Spain.

So thats it folks, suspense over.

have a lovely bank holiday weekend everyone and I hope the weather picks up for us all.

Al

 

[franknjan]

Thanks for the update. The information you have provided is very useful.
Please could you let us know how he gets on when he returns to Spain. I think this will be interesting.

 

[138go]

This is just one person's experience, so it's difficult to see how useful this is. Interesting, definitely!

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