No overnighting, what do you do ?

The answer to wild camping without upsetting anyone, and risk being asked to move on
is to subscribe to "Brit Stops" which are mainly free overnight stops offered by the land / pub owners
OR go onto the "search for sites" web page
where individuals like ourselves have submitted details of free stops they have found all over the country
some have write ups, and photos, and if you discover a "gem" yourself you can share the info
with the site
Get out there and enjoy
 
tonyidle said:
A bit harsh maybe? You're correct of course but bear in mind that in England at least it is illegal to overnight anywhere that isn't designated as a campsite or subject to one of the few exemptions. Signs or no signs.
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That isn’t correct. English law is based on the principle that unless something is specifically prevented by a law, then it is perfectly legal. If a motorhome is road legal, taxed, insured and MOT’d then it is perfectly legal to overnight on a street or in a lay by or car park unless there are regulations specifically preventing it in that location.
 
Hellfire said:
That isn’t correct. English law is based on the principle that unless something is specifically prevented by a law, then it is perfectly legal. If a motorhome is road legal, taxed, insured and MOT’d then it is perfectly legal to overnight on a street or in a lay by or car park unless there are regulations specifically preventing it in that location.
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There are.
 
Hellfire said:
That isn’t correct. English law is based on the principle that unless something is specifically prevented by a law, then it is perfectly legal. If a motorhome is road legal, taxed, insured and MOT’d then it is perfectly legal to overnight on a street or in a lay by or car park unless there are regulations specifically preventing it in that location.
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You are correct. However there are many regulations on various areas which prohibit sleeping in vehicles.
 
iandsm said:
You are correct. However there are many regulations on various areas which prohibit sleeping in vehicles.
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But, as the man said, those have to be proscribed, and must go through a process in order to be legal. It is not just at the whim of some "oik" in the local council offices,which is as it should be.
I think I have seen somewhere where a council had to remove such signs after a challenge as the due process had not been properly followed?.

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buttons said:
I wouldn't entertain buying a house next door to a home with two motorhomes parked in the front garden, so you could say your neighbor has a fair complaint as your unsocial behavior will be affecting the value of their own property....
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I will sleep a great deal better now I know it isn't yourself that bought next door.
 
buttons said:
I wouldn't entertain buying a house next door to a home with two motorhomes parked in the front garden, so you could say your neighbor has a fair complaint as your unsocial behavior will be affecting the value of their own property....
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So EVERYBODY with a camper on the drive is guilty of unsocial behaviour ? ???
 
Simon Howards Motorhomes said:
If anything happened I doubt insurance would pay out as your parking where you shouldn't be.
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Hmm, I’m not so sure about that.

And if you were parked on a double yellow line and someone hit you?

Ian

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Hellfire said:
That isn’t correct. English law is based on the principle that unless something is specifically prevented by a law, then it is perfectly legal. If a motorhome is road legal, taxed, insured and MOT’d then it is perfectly legal to overnight on a street or in a lay by or car park unless there are regulations specifically preventing it in that location.
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Camping in a motorhome (which includes overnighting) is nothing to do with whether or not the vehicle is taxed, insured or tested. Camping is covered by the 1960 Act in all off-street locations and is often covered by specific restrictions and/or trespass in car parks (remember all land is owned by somebody). See http://www.motorhomeparking.co.uk/offsite.htm and http://www.motorhomeparking.co.uk/roads.htm
 
Where I live on south coast about half a dozen wild/free/off piste stop overs have signs stopping you one even has a security guard 24/7. The reason why is people taking the pi55 van dwellers etc etc overstaying. Hauling island was charging people to overnight the council you would assume where doing ok from this. But people set up there semi permanent and most had disabled badges and that let them stay for free. Abuse the system and it will stop or as the old saying goes every good thing comes to an end
 
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PORKSTER said:
Where I live on south coast about half a dozen wild/free/off piste stop overs have signs stopping you one even has a security guard 24/7. The reason why is people taking the pi55 van dwellers etc etc overstaying. Hauling island was charging people to overnight the council you would assume where doing ok from this. But people set up there semi permanent and most had disabled badges and that let them stay for free. Abuse the system and it will stop or as the old saying goes every good thing comes to an end
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Not happy with the innuendo that people with disabled badges were taking the piss.. Many motorhomers are disabled and this is the only way we can get about to enjoy our lives. Without my Motorhome I would just sit at home and sink into depression My Motorhome is my freedom.
 
Khizzie said:
Not happy with the innuendo that people with disabled badges were taking the piss.. Many motorhomers are disabled and this is the only way we can get about to enjoy our lives. Without my Motorhome I would just sit at home and sink into depression My Motorhome is my freedom.
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Sorry if I offended you it wasn't my intention. But when someone is using their blue badge to live rent free so to speek. I personally think it's taking a liberty. l even had one guy tell me to go get myself a blue badge to save myself a fortune. Not all blue badge owners are the same just like all motorhomers are the same.

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bigtwin said:
Hmm, I’m not so sure about that.

And if you were parked on a double yellow line and someone hit you?

Ian
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I am intrigued. My Mrs is the head of claims for International general insurance in London. I will ask her later and she what she thinks!
 
Simon Howards Motorhomes said:
I am intrigued. My Mrs is the head of claims for International general insurance in London. I will ask her later and she what she thinks!
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I was once hit by another car. They said to me “you shouldn’t have been there”, I replied “but I was there” and there to be seen! BTW, I did have every right to be there.

He paid (well his insurance company did). :)

Ian
 
An insurer cannot refuse to pay a third party claim , they may refuse to pay for non third party damage, and can take action for recovery, few would as the cost will be viewed as not worth it. If the vehicle is properly licensed an driven by a driver with the correct licence, where the incident happened is not likely to be in issue. For example payouts are regularly made for damage sustained in supermarket car parks.
 
For a few quid you could join Brig Stops and stay overnight at a pub, just go in and buy a meal, there's hundreds of these stops up and down the country, for peace of mind it's a no brainer, don't know about abroad as I'm a Brit Stopper :D:D:D
 
All I can say is I'm glad I don't live nextdoor to you,do you leave your dogs barking all-day as well, have a bit of consideration.

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You dont even have to join Brit Stops, if you see a pub that you like with a reasonable sized car park, go in and ask them if you can stay.
If you spend some dosh with them, I have not heard of many yet that have said NO, just park sensibly out of the way of the entrances, be away early leaving no mess.
Les
 
Beemobile said:
For a few quid you could join Brig Stops and stay overnight at a pub, just go in and buy a meal, there's hundreds of these stops up and down the country, for peace of mind it's a no brainer, don't know about abroad as I'm a Brit Stopper :D:D:D
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TinaL said:
You dont even have to join Brit Stops, if you see a pub that you like with a reasonable sized car park, go in and ask them if you can stay.
If you spend some dosh with them, I have not heard of many yet that have said NO, just park sensibly out of the way of the entrances, be away early leaving no mess.
Les
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As mentioned, they must comply with the licensing/exemption requirements of the 1960 Act to operate legally :)
 
Simon Howards Motorhomes said:
I am intrigued. My Mrs is the head of claims for International general insurance in London. I will ask her later and she what she thinks!
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I've often wondered what the insurance implications would be if something happened to a motorhome (and/or its occupants) being used for camping at a pub (or other establishment) that didn't have a site licence and couldn't take advantage of any of the exemptions in the 1960 Act.
Allowing the premises to be used for camping would presumably be outside the coverage of the pub's business insurance.
 
GJH said:
I've often wondered what the insurance implications would be if something happened to a motorhome (and/or its occupants) being used for camping at a pub (or other establishment) that didn't have a site licence and couldn't take advantage of any of the exemptions in the 1960 Act.
Allowing the premises to be used for camping would presumably be outside the coverage of the pub's business insurance.
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Are we to assume then that all pubs on The Brit Stop listings have applied and got a site licence to allow camper vans to overnight on their premises?
Interested to know the answer to this, I bet many others are also.
Thanks
Les

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buttons said:
I wouldn't entertain buying a house next door to a home with two motorhomes parked in the front garden, so you could say your neighbor has a fair complaint as your unsocial behavior will be affecting the value of their own property....
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Oh dear. As far as I'm aware, when a house is valued, it's primarily on the structure and the plot it sits in. I'm not aware of a house being sold with a guaranteed view? Trust me, 2 vans on the drive is not really antisocial behaviour is it?
 
TinaL said:
Are we to assume then that all pubs on The Brit Stop listings have applied and got a site licence to allow camper vans to overnight on their premises?
Interested to know the answer to this, I bet many others are also.
Thanks
Les
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I would not assume that all. Indeed, given the overall record of some places, if I were to assume anything it would be the opposite.
The only way to be sure would be to ask the local authority for the pub's area.
 
PORKSTER said:
Sorry if I offended you it wasn't my intention. But when someone is using their blue badge to live rent free so to speek. I personally think it's taking a liberty. l even had one guy tell me to go get myself a blue badge to save myself a fortune. Not all blue badge owners are the same just like all motorhomers are the same.
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There maybe a minority that abuse the disabled system of blue badge but the huge majority do not, its our freedom to be able to park near shops and facilities, most if not all are happy to pay parking just to be near the places that make life easier for us that are not so fortunate to be able-bodied anymore. It upsets me to see the abusers of the blue badge, but those are few and far between.
 
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Beemobile said:
For a few quid you could join Brig Stops and stay overnight at a pub, just go in and buy a meal, there's hundreds of these stops up and down the country, for peace of mind it's a no brainer, don't know about abroad as I'm a Brit Stopper :D:D:D
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I can only think of one place I'd hate to be parked next to more than a noisy pub full of drunks and that's a campsite full of kids and drunks.


Sod that
 

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