No Holidays abroad Allowed

[robnchris]

Meanwhile whilst we all have to stay in and we are refused holidays....Prince Charles and Camila have set off on a jolly to Greece for a few days. I hope that they have to cough up the cost of return covid tests and are placed under house arrest for 10 days post their return.

The double standards of the system in the UK is shocking

Would you really want to exchange places with them and be the one to lay the reef, I wouldn't be describing their trip as a JOLLY.

 

[funflair]

Meanwhile whilst we all have to stay in and we are refused holidays....Prince Charles and Camila have set off on a jolly to Greece for a few days. I hope that they have to cough up the cost of return covid tests and are placed under house arrest for 10 days post their return.

The double standards of the system in the UK is shocking

Are you not allowed to travel for work?

 

[Falcon 269]

What I don't understand is why there is all this attention on stopping people leaving the UK. That act itself doesn't bring new variants into the UK. It's people coming back into the UK that will bring new variants in. So if there's a need to stop new variants coming into the country why not have a rigorous quarantine regime for people coming back, paid for by the people travelling? Two weeks in an isolated and controlled location with regular testing, cost £2-£3k per person. Then let people choose what they want to do. And also let other countries choose whether they will accept travelers from the UK.

Your proposal would only achieve the same thing via a different means. At the same time, it would punish folks who have to travel back to the UK ... like yours truly.

We're moving back to take care of elderly parents. It's been enough stress and expense selling up and arranging the move. You'll appreciate why I wouldn't be pleased to be slapped with a £5 - 6k bill for a 10-night stay in some crappy hotel in Eastbourne or wherever.

Surely the much-vaunted and costly track & trace system already in operation should be enough to ensure that we adhere to 'at home' quarantine and do the 2 & 8 day tests already mandated?

 

[scottie]

Well, i just follow the rules. Was lucky to do a circumnavigation of Australia and south island of New Zealand last feb, march. Just got back to Sydney in time before Australia shut shop. We had booked a cruise from Vancouver to Alaska, then a week in the Niagra falls area, for June 6 this year, booked 18 months ago. Final payment was due today, luckily we have been able to get a refund of our deposit, as Canada is off limits until end of Feb 2022. So hopefully a bit more motorhoming this year, mainly the shows, just booked the new forest one, thanks Karen. Nice to see Chester moved to the August date, much better than getting bogged down at Easter. Think this is the year of the staycation.

 

[MITHRANDIR]

I am glad you mentioned Parachutes and the BMJ, you may enjoy reading this if you have not come across it before. You could ask if you really need a Parachute after you have read the Paper

What is already known about this topic

Parachutes are widely used to prevent death and major injury after gravitational challenge Parachute use is associated with adverse effects due to failure of the intervention and iatrogenic injury Studies of free fall do not show 100% mortality

What this study adds

No randomised controlled trials of parachute use have been undertaken The basis for parachute use is purely observational, and its apparent efficacy could potentially be explained by a “healthy cohort” effect Individuals who insist that all interventions need to be validated by a randomised controlled trial need to come down to earth with a bump

All that shows is that there are no absolutes! my point exactly!

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[suavecarve]

I am glad you mentioned Parachutes and the BMJ, you may enjoy reading this if you have not come across it before. You could ask if you really need a Parachute after you have read the Paper

What is already known about this topic

Parachutes are widely used to prevent death and major injury after gravitational challenge Parachute use is associated with adverse effects due to failure of the intervention and iatrogenic injury Studies of free fall do not show 100% mortality

What this study adds

No randomised controlled trials of parachute use have been undertaken The basis for parachute use is purely observational, and its apparent efficacy could potentially be explained by a “healthy cohort” effect Individuals who insist that all interventions need to be validated by a randomised controlled trial need to come down to earth with a bump

Brilliant analogy.

Not quite transferable to covid with deaths as a the percentage of people surviving the gravitational effect will (I suspect) be significantly less than those catching covid.

But I loved it anyway

 

[busby]

I think too many might think at the moment I'm unlikely to travel again this year anyway I'll give it a try. I think 10 years with no passeport would focus anyones mind even people to whom £5k is an average week away.

Some of us may not have ten years left on this planet,,,Hope I am not one of them though.BUSBY

 

[Coolcats]

All that shows is that there are no absolutes! my point exactly!

But the probability is that you are better with a parachute than without one and for me the sage indie sage advice is like providing a parachute. Until someone comes up with something better personally I will follow what they say, I’m not saying it’s perfect but has kept me my Wife and millions safe over this period. Next time the advice may be different and we will follow that.

 

[Northernraider]

Your proposal would only achieve the same thing via a different means. At the same time, it would punish folks who have to travel back to the UK ... like yours truly.

We're moving back to take care of elderly parents. It's been enough stress and expense selling up and arranging the move. You'll appreciate why I wouldn't be pleased to be slapped with a £5 - 6k bill for a 10-night stay in some crappy hotel in Eastbourne or wherever.

Surely the much-vaunted and costly track & trace system already in operation should be enough to ensure that we adhere to 'at home' quarantine and do the 2 & 8 day tests already mandated?

The test and trace and the home tests is a joke . I did my day 2 test on sunday and sent it off within 30 minutes. Its Thursday now and ive heard nothing back .... supposed to get an email acknowledging receipt of test and then results in 24 hours. ...ill be doing my day 8 test on Saturday and im allowed out on tuesday regardless ...even if i dont get the results what difference has it made having tk take the tests if im isolating anyway.

Ive now had 3 different phone calls with idiots giving me advice on how to self isolate like it was rocket science.

Waste of time and money just to look like they are actually doing something.

Meanwhile theres hundreds of lorry drivers and van driver's coming and going everyday with no tests and no isolation. Most of the ones i saw at Ancona port and the Eurotunnel calais were wearing no masks and all socialising chatting and smoking in groups.

Its quite pathetic really

 

[MITHRANDIR]

But the probability is that you are better with a parachute than without one and for me the sage indie sage advice is like providing a parachute. Until someone comes up with something better personally I will follow what they say, I’m not saying it’s perfect but has kept me my Wife and millions safe over this period. Next time the advice may be different and we will follow that.

That's fine and i don't disagree, but until someone can show me a peer reviewed study that shows the negative effect of motorhome travel abroad then i will continue as i am, and my opinions remain the same.

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[ADJF]

The test and trace and the home tests is a joke . I did my day 2 test on sunday and sent it off within 30 minutes. Its Thursday now and ive heard nothing back .... supposed to get an email acknowledging receipt of test and then results in 24 hours. ...ill be doing my day 8 test on Saturday and im allowed out on tuesday regardless ...even if i dont get the results what difference has it made having tk take the tests if im isolating anyway.

Ive now had 3 different phone calls with idiots giving me advice on how to self isolate like it was rocket science.

Waste of time and money just to look like they are actually doing something.

Meanwhile theres hundreds of lorry drivers and van driver's coming and going everyday with no tests and no isolation. Most of the ones i saw at Ancona port and the Eurotunnel calais were wearing no masks and all socialising chatting and smoking in groups.

Its quite pathetic really

ditto. We receive no receipt of the sample being received. I've had my day 2 negative test result back but my wife has not. My wife had one call from test and trace and they spent an hour on the telephone....discussing nothing covid related but just talking about interesting places to visit in North Wales. It is a total waste of time and money. I'd prefer if the £32billion test and trace fiasco could have been better spent on some aircraft carrier strike groups or Boris's Irish Sea Tunnel project.

This has nothing at all to do with public health. Complete fiasco

 

[NorthernSoul]

Your proposal would only achieve the same thing via a different means. At the same time, it would punish folks who have to travel back to the UK ... like yours truly.

We're moving back to take care of elderly parents. It's been enough stress and expense selling up and arranging the move. You'll appreciate why I wouldn't be pleased to be slapped with a £5 - 6k bill for a 10-night stay in some crappy hotel in Eastbourne or wherever.

Surely the much-vaunted and costly track & trace system already in operation should be enough to ensure that we adhere to 'at home' quarantine and do the 2 & 8 day tests already mandated?

If the Track and Trace System does the job at keeping cases out, why are people pushing continued restrictions on travelling abroad?

There is already an exception in the legislation for moving home. There may need to be similar exceptions with my proposal. But the number of people that it would apply to would be a very small percentage of the total.

By the way, I have no wish to travel abroad this year so I'm not looking for a loophole in any restrictions. I don't like the principle of people being prevented from leaving the UK when the real target is to stop infected people coming into the UK and spreading the infection to the UK population. Well that is what we are told anyway.

 

[Motörhead Fun]

Are you not allowed to travel for work?

Yes, one can travel for work. But can Joe Bloggs take one's wife??

 

[stewartwebr]

There is a huge danger here of the whole population becoming germaphobics. Where are we as a United Kingdom taking this now? Even when you can travel and with inevitable further micro control of our lives do we get to a stage where you get tested for every known virus at the border, there are plenty of cases of people bringing back all sorts of viruses when returning from holiday....clamidia, syphilis from a week of clubbing in Magaluf, Benidorm, Ibiza, Canaries etc as a start.

Lets just open up....else this will never end...get on with life

Okay here goes, I’m going to break it to you gently. No matter what your mates tell you, you cannot catch syphilis or chlamydia from a toilet seat.

However, you can catch COVID from a toilet seat or door handle or merely standing too close to someone. COVID is a virus, the two examples you give are bacterial infections.

 

[Barclaybasher]

However, you can catch COVID from a toilet seat or door handle or merely standing too close to someone. COVID is a virus, the two examples you give are bacterial infections.

It's your own toilet seat and door handle in your motorhome, don't get close (Social Distancing).........

.....................and go motorhoming !

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[robnchris]

I love all these I want to travel to europe, human rights, civil liberties, I don't have to wear a mask I'm exempt types.

Try explaining your views to the Covid Virus, (hopefully you won't meet it) but if you do I doubt it will listen.

 

[Falcon 269]

Interesting to get real-world feedback on track & trace. Other friends have said that their experiences have been different, in that they've been actively checked on to ensure they're not breaking quarantine away from their registered address. Does sound like the 2 & 8 day test system is a poorly organized shambles, though. And at what price!

Fully agree that the situation with lorry drivers makes a mockery of any proposals to hotel quarantine other returning Brits. I understand that goods must flow but government needs to be even-handed here.

By all means discourage others from leaving on holidays now but why victimize Brits who were overseas legitimately in the first place but who subsequently find that the situation re foreign holidays has changed while they've been away?

 

[Coolcats]

That's fine and i don't disagree, but until someone can show me a peer reviewed study that shows the negative effect of motorhome travel abroad then i will continue as i am, and my opinions remain the same.

No problem, we could always go for Crowd funding and be volunteers for the study

 

[pandas]

Interesting to get real-world feedback on track & trace. Other friends have said that their experiences have been different, in that they've been actively checked on to ensure they're not breaking quarantine away from their registered address. Does sound like the 2 & 8 day test system is a poorly organized shambles, though. And at what price!

Fully agree that the situation with lorry drivers makes a mockery of any proposals to hotel quarantine other returning Brits. I understand that goods must flow but government needs to be even-handed here.

By all means discourage others from leaving on holidays now but why victimize Brits who were overseas legitimately in the first place but who subsequently find that the situation re foreign holidays has changed while they've been away?

I cannot remember when we were last allowed to travel to Europe for a holiday, I know the 90 day started 1st Jan and some individual country boarders were closed since.

 

[MITHRANDIR]

I love all these I want to travel to europe, human rights, civil liberties, I don't have to wear a mask I'm exempt types.

Try explaining your views to the Covid Virus, (hopefully you won't meet it) but if you do I doubt it will listen.

Fairness and an even hand is all i ask, that is NOT what the government is displaying.
Cannot go to europe in my motorhome, and meet no one.
Can go and look at/purchase property.
And likely i will be one of the last ones you may see in sainsburys with a mask and gloves.

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[Larrynwin]

 

[jessthedog]

I think if anyone was planning a trip to France soon, i hope they have free cancellation! France had 45,000 reported cases today, and the so called South African variant is widely spreading. There is talk of France being added to the Red List. Not good for anyone, because it will impact the whole of Europe.

 

[Pelirocco]

Complete infringement on civil liberties and human rights. This stasi regime we now live in are chipping away at every part of our lifes policed by a state run militia . Why have we stood aside and allowed this. I hope that they government’s extension of their 6 month Covid legislation is blocked later this week but unfortunately we have an ineffective opposition in Parliament and regional assemblies in Scotland Wales and Northern Ireland that are ineffective and just want to play games. I never thought I would ever seen anything so sinister as this in my lifetime

More sinister than millions dying from Covid ?
Fortunately there are people willing to make sacrifices for the good of others

 

[Barclaybasher]

More sinister than millions dying from Covid ?
Fortunately there are people willing to make sacrifices for the good of others

Are you sure ?

Isn't it just personal fear of getting the virus ?

So many seem to want to lockdown - and mask wearing - is it in the (mistaken) belief you won't catch the virus - not spreading it?

 

[Sandancers]

Okay here goes, I’m going to break it to you gently. No matter what your mates tell you, you cannot catch syphilis or chlamydia from a toilet seat.

However, you can catch COVID from a toilet seat or door handle or merely standing too close to someone. COVID is a virus, the two examples you give are bacterial infections.

Could you point to any verified, officially recorded case of CV_19 being transmitted by someone touching an everyday item that was contaminated, ie NOT a lab study ?

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[gus-lopez]

Not at all, they would be following uk law, like they do now.

they might be whilst spouting *****cks at you bt when they go home they will be just the same half wits as those they are abusing. Along with police ,& politicians you can't mmet a more hypocritical , thick-as **** bunch .

t's people coming back into the UK that will bring new variants in. So if there's a need to stop new variants coming into the country why not have a rigorous quarantine regime for people coming back,

Why not test those travelling daily to & fro the channel, both nationaliteis & who are dealing with others on a daily basis. There are far far,far too many exemptions to make the job even half sensible.

supposed to get an email acknowledging receipt of test and then results in 24 hours.

That's where I'd have used the numbers they'd been annoying me on to ring & text & heap abuse on them asking where my confirmation email was , where were the results,etc.

Fully agree that the situation with lorry drivers makes a mockery of

least of the worries. what about the police ,customs, border officials, ferry crews , train crews,& for both France & the UK.list is endless.

 

[The Wino]

Could you point to any verified, officially recorded case of CV_19 being transmitted by someone touching an everyday item that was contaminated, ie NOT a lab study ?

I believe you're much more likely to get it from a person breathing than a surface but how many cases are there where anyone knows where they actually caught it let alone if it was a person or a surface.

 

[jongood]

Could you point to any verified, officially recorded case of CV_19 being transmitted by someone touching an everyday item that was contaminated, ie NOT a lab study ?

I would also be very interested to know the actual figures on this

 

[jongood]

they might be whilst spouting *****cks at you bt when they go home they will be just the same half wits as those they are abusing. Along with police ,& politicians you can't mmet a more hypocritical , thick-as **** bunch .

Why not test those travelling daily to & fro the channel, both nationaliteis & who are dealing with others on a daily basis. There are far far,far too many exemptions to make the job even half sensible.

That's where I'd have used the numbers they'd been annoying me on to ring & text & heap abuse on them asking where my confirmation email was , where were the results,etc.

least of the worries. what about the police ,customs, border officials, ferry crews , train crews,& for both France & the UK.list is endless.

Of all the lorry drivers blockaded by Macron at xmas very few tested positive. Imo its because its a fairly insular occupation- a lot like motorhomes but without your own ablutions

 

[MITHRANDIR]

I would also be very interested to know the actual figures on this

So would i...

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