New and Second hand Motorhome prices !

[EuroTrotters]

Just reading a thread about a Liner for 2 here......

Carthago Liner for Two payload?

Hello helpful people! Can anyone please give me their thought on this…….https://www.morrisonmotors.co.uk/leisure-vehicles/fiat-ducato-linerfortwo/ From my limited knowledge and research I would think that the payload on this Motorhome is only 433kgs? But when I phoned the garage to ask they...

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Its pushing 3 years old.

Where do this prices come from ?

2004 We bought a Eura Mobil 3 years old for £29,000

In 2009 we bought a 17 month Old Bespoke built 8m Frankia A Class. Mercedes Chassis and V6 3 litre Engine.

It was £59,950 and they even took my old Eura Mobil in part X for £28,500. So I chipped in the other £31k.

In 2013, we traded the Frankia in, £48,500 for a Brand New, but 3 year old build La Strada Nova for £60,000. So we paid £11,500 on top.

We sold that La Strada for £60,000 almost years later in 2016. It had a 3 litre V6 Engine with Auto Gearbox

At the Dusseldorf show, we went to the La Strada Stand. The latest La Strada Nova now starts at a whopping €170,000 with basic spec.

Madness.

I wish my earnings had gone up at that rate !

Are you all winning the Lotto ?

 

[SpeedyDux]

So many if, should and maybes rather reminds me that if my uncle wore a bra would he really be my auntie, or, if my auntie wore braces would she really be my uncle.
Even in this day and age, make that especially in this day and age, I think that surmising (that means to guess something without having much or any proof.) is never helpful.

OK you can dismiss my reply to your question for any reason that suits you. Bubbles never last forever. How and when they burst often comes as a surprise. I gave you a small number of possible scenarios based on fairly recent events and experience. If you have ones you like better, do share.

 

[A-Mech]

This ^^^^^

As a consequence of Israel's operations against Hamas in Gaza, and now the US-led airstrikes against the Houthis, we might see a re-run of the period after the Yom Kippur War, when the Arab countries joined together to use their "oil weapon" against the West for supporting Israel. The partial embargo, and sudden rapid increase in the price per barrel that nearly quadrupled the price of oil in 1974, together triggered a deep recession. The UK government issued petrol ration books although in the end they weren't used. I remember queuing for petrol at the pumps nd being restricted iin how much petrol I could buy each time. Driving around with the petrol gauge needle in the red. It was very difficult to find a job. Hard times. In 1975 it took 107 job applications before I got an interview. A very deep recession that affected many people not just me.

After the credit crunch of 2008, the UK luxury MH market all but disappeared. £70K became a ceiling price for the MH market. That was about the going rate for the average 4.5 tonne 8m twin rear axle MH in those days. Advertised big discounts were commonplace.

A lot depends on how much pressure the Arabs put on their leaders to take action in support of Gaza (and Hamas) and also to punish the West for bombing Yemen. The Arab ruling families will be terrified of uprisings that could end up with them being deposed. To some extent that also applies to the military generals ruling Egypt, which controls the Suez Canal as well as the border crossing into Gaza used for relief supplies.

Agree with most of your comments, but would say your last paragraph is a bit wide of the mark.
Saudi Arabia have been bombing Yemen for some time and US & UK forces are only helping there situation.
I feel the oil supply will not be turned off whilst the west stands by Saudi people who's people won't rebell as they have free heath care, schooling, etc. There human rights record is horrendous and will quell any uprising.
The Egyptian government want traffic in the Suez as it is a massive income to country. Egypt want to resolution to the straits of hormuz problem as prices in europe will increase as container ships divert around the cape. No doubt Somalia will take advantage? I think the Egyptians are worried about the poor palistinian people been forced into the sinai desert, due to the continued eradication of human life in Gaza.
Israel have gone too far!
The West bank is a problem for them and Iranian destabilisation in the area is causing the whole of the middle east to wonder what will happen next.
Putin is loving the whole situation as he still under pins all that is bad in Syria.
I can see Royal Navy staying in Gulf for some time along with RAF flights from Cyprus. I suspect, the land force garrison in Cyprus may increase.
That's my uniformed take on the situation.

 

[Pausim]

That's my uniformed take on the situation.

My uninformed take on the situation is that the Saudis after years of unsuccessfully bombarding the Houthi in Yemen with the latest western weapons decided it wasn’t working and let the Chinese broker better relations between them and Iran. That probably didn’t suit the Houthis too well because they didn’t yet have control of the whole of Yemen. The Saudis were also edging closer to normalising relations with Israel which did not suit Hamas in Gaza. Both Hamas and the Houthis feed off instability in the Middle East. Both knew full well that attacks on Israel and shipping in The Straits of Hormuz would bring reprisals, which is exactly what they wanted and got. This leaves the Saudis and the Egyptians in very difficult situations, they need the shipping trade through The Straits of Hormuz but their populations are very unhappy with what is happening in Gaza so they can’t openly support anything the USA, UK or Israel are doing. Meanwhile Iran is avoiding direct confrontation with any serious players but stirring it up all over the place. Glad I am not the one who has to sort this mess out.

As for a bubble bursting yes perhaps it will, and then perhaps it will not. Meanwhile I will continue to spend the Children’s inheritance on expensive motorhomes because my years are ticking away. I judge the value of my motorhome by the fun I have in it, not it’s resale value.

 

[Lenny HB]

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Not surprised looks like the older model before they updated it last year and what on earth have they put on it in options that cost £64,450.

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[Louie25]

Current UK price on that Liner is £176,250 plus £2,500 for delivery so £178,750, with the spec on that one new price would be around £210,00. Still no discounts on Carthago's.

That second hand price is too high & it's only done 5000 miles that's not good means it's been sitting around a lot. I really don't understand why people are prepared to pay more for very low mileage.

Also with the extras on that van there is no way you could run it legally on the Ducato chassis.

Exactly why I have been doing a lot of homework on the Liner for Two, seems like a lot of money to drive an overloaded van! My husband and I are both retired Police Officers but neither of us have ever taken a Motorhome to the weighbridge. It just wouldn’t feel right driving it!

 

[The Wino]

Frivolous? Get thee behind me Satan!

I spend less on a 10 week MH tour than I spent on 5 days at Christmas in a 5* hotel in Malta - that is frivolous - but I have whipped myself with birch sticks and won't do it again.

I thought you would have had the birch stick whipping included in the 5 star place!

 

[gus-lopez]

Let's promote a DExit!
...just kidding

You joke but I had a feed on my phone earlier that the AFd leader, Alice Weisel, is wanting a referendum on just that.

Here we are I have just found it.

https://www.express.co.uk/news/politics/1858667/afd-germany-uk-brexit

when the Arab countries joined together to use their "oil weapon" against the West for supporting Israel.

âpart from the saudis?

Agree with most of your comments, but would say your last paragraph is a bit wide of the mark.
Saudi Arabia have been bombing Yemen for some time and US & UK forces are only helping there situation.
I feel the oil supply will not be turned off whilst the west stands by Saudi people who's people won't rebell as they have free heath care, schooling, etc. There human rights record is horrendous and will quell any uprising.
The Egyptian government want traffic in the Suez as it is a massive income to country. Egypt want to resolution to the straits of hormuz problem as prices in europe will increase as container ships divert around the cape. No doubt Somalia will take advantage? I think the Egyptians are worried about the poor palistinian people been forced into the sinai desert, due to the continued eradication of human life in Gaza.
Israel have gone too far!
The West bank is a problem for them and Iranian destabilisation in the area is causing the whole of the middle east to wonder what will happen next.
Putin is loving the whole situation as he still under pins all that is bad in Syria.
I can see Royal Navy staying in Gulf for some time along with RAF flights from Cyprus. I suspect, the land force garrison in Cyprus may increase.
That's my uniformed take on the situation.

This^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^

 

[Coolcats]

So today you buy a Diesel powered MoHo for over £120k-£200k Diesel is being phased out over the next decade and soon EV or AV vehicles will appear. I can only imagine the bottom will fall out of those investments. So how wise would it be to buy new today?

 

[funflair]

So today you buy a Diesel powered MoHo for over £120k-£200k Diesel is being phased out over the next decade and soon EV or AV vehicles will appear. I can only imagine the bottom will fall out of those investments. So how wise would it be to buy new today?

That’s one scenario but I am sure there are others, it’s a gamble and could go either way in my view so if you want it, can afford it, why not.

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[Apacheman]

Will other costs eventually affect the market? For example I worked out it now costs about £ 1200 per year just to keep it on the drive. £500 insurance, £165 road tax, £250 Hab check, £135 tracker subscription, £150 servicing. Those costs will just keep increasing.

 

[Coolcats]

That’s one scenario but I am sure there are others, it’s a gamble and could go either way in my view so if you want it, can afford it, why not.

interesting take on Gambling and whilst I could buy one I may as well put it on the horses in that scenario but I’m not a gambling man.

 

[Pausim]

So today you buy a Diesel powered MoHo for over £120k-£200k Diesel is being phased out over the next decade and soon EV or AV vehicles will appear. I can only imagine the bottom will fall out of those investments. So how wise would it be to buy new today?

Diesel fuel is not being phased out, they are phasing out new diesel and petrol vehicles. That might make diesel powered vehicles with a good driving range go up in value, not down. Who knows? As I said above I judge the value of my motorhome by the fun I have in it, not worrying about its resale value. I will probably be dead long before diesel fuel completely disappears.

 

[prenteye]

Me wondering how many mohos are scrapped each year?

On the up side there’s still plenty of people with larger/expensive homes they can downsize and release funds to buy a caravan sorry moho..

Given the increases in prices generally it makes sense to some of us to maintain/repair/upgrade our existing vehicles.

I’d consider an bev camper van as and when base vehicle prices come down.

May be waiting some time?

 

[Coastal Cruiser.]

interesting take on Gambling and whilst I could buy one I may as well put it on the horses in that scenario but I’m not a gambling man.

. I can only imagine the bottom will fall out of those investments. So how wise would it be to buy new today?

I don’t think you can treat them as investments if you do then stick the money in shares and sit at home watching them go up and down!! I certainly don’t and if it looses money and I have had 3-4 months of the year enjoyment out of it then it’s definitely better than looking at my bank balance

No doubt they will extend the EV date again and they won’t be stopping fuel supplies anytime soon after that so for me not even worth thinking about will just keep on enjoying myself in the van

Plenty of “what ifs” if you think to much into things

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[The Wino]

I don’t think you can treat them as investments if you do then stick the money in shares and sit at home watching them go up and down!! I certainly don’t and if it looses money and I have had 3-4 months of the year enjoyment out of it then it’s definitely better than looking at my bank balance

No doubt they will extend the EV date again and they won’t be stopping fuel supplies anytime soon after that so for me not even worth thinking about will just keep on enjoying myself in the van

Plenty of “what ifs” if you think to much into things

As you say stocks are shares and buy to let are investments buying a motorhome is spending!

 

[Coastal Cruiser.]

As you say stocks are shares and buy to let are investments buying a motorhome is spending!

Yes I don’t know anyone who buys a van for investment?
The last few years where vans have held their prices are just a fluke no doubt a few years time they will be back down to loosing a certain % every year.

 

[The Wino]

Yes I don’t know anyone who buys a van for investment?
The last few years where vans have held their prices are just a fluke no doubt a few years time they will be back down to loosing a certain % every year.

I think the problem is that politicians use the term investment to cover spending on anything they agree with and it slips into general use.

 

[Coolcats]

Diesel fuel is not being phased out, they are phasing out new diesel and petrol vehicles. That might make diesel powered vehicles with a good driving range go up in value, not down. Who knows? As I said above I judge the value of my motorhome by the fun I have in it, not worrying about its resale value. I will probably be dead long before diesel fuel completely disappears.

watch this space as VED goes up and up along with clean air tax, and the cost of the fuel itself as fewer Diesel and petrol the pumps will become fewer and more costly. my comment was around the diesel and petrol vehicles but let’s see.

My money is fossil fuel vehicles will just in the main get taxed off the road.

 

[Coolcats]

Me wondering how many mohos are scrapped each year?

On the up side there’s still plenty of people with larger/expensive homes they can downsize and release funds to buy a caravan sorry moho..

Given the increases in prices generally it makes sense to some of us to maintain/repair/upgrade our existing vehicles.

I’d consider an bev camper van as and when base vehicle prices come down.

May be waiting some time?

I don’t think you can treat them as investments if you do then stick the money in shares and sit at home watching them go up and down!! I certainly don’t and if it looses money and I have had 3-4 months of the year enjoyment out of it then it’s definitely better than looking at my bank balance

No doubt they will extend the EV date again and they won’t be stopping fuel supplies anytime soon after that so for me not even worth thinking about will just keep on enjoying myself in the van

Plenty of “what ifs” if you think to much into things

There are many types of investment and stocks and shares are one, precious metals such as gold another along with a home, Motorhome car van or bike.

A definition of investment l:

The act of investing.

An amount invested.
Property or another possession acquired for future financial return or benefit.

So given that as a definition the last word mentioned is benefit, we all benefit from investing in a MoHo

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[Silver-Fox]

Glad I am not the one who has to sort this mess out.

Don’t worry one T B Liar will be along on his white charger

 

[Silver-Fox]

Will other costs eventually affect the market? For example I worked out it now costs about £ 1200 per year just to keep it on the drive. £500 insurance, £165 road tax, £250 Hab check, £135 tracker subscription, £150 servicing. Those costs will just keep increasing.

Ballance costs against say flying on holiday, taxi or car park, cost of holiday, grief going through customs etc.

I prefer the Moho as it’s home from home

 

[Pausim]

I prefer the Moho as it’s home from home

So do I.

 

[nicholsong]

One partially 'investment' I made in a MH was the £000s difference I saved in buying S/H compared with new, so that those £000s stayed invested.

 

[BouncyBoatFolk]

Don’t worry one T B Liar will be along on his white charger

And even that could be worse, Blustering, blowhard, faux buffoon, BORIS, is at work in the background as can be seen by his minions machinations undermining "Richy Rich kid "

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[Clive Mott]

Dormobile 1972 £2210, caravans, Old coach I converted 1985 £2000, 1997 Autotrail scout on a merc 312 £lots!! Traded that in for a 2 year old Concorde Charisma on a Merc 316 £90k (lovely but gutless) about 2008, Traded that in for a Hymer MLI V6 auto 2017. Rocket job.

 

[Bramidan]

There is the actual pride of ownership, the lift we get when we are going away in “our”
motorhome.
Never bothered to worry about how much it might be worth in the future. If you constantly did that there is probably more reasons to say “no” about any purchase other than necessities.
Life’s too short.

 

[nicholsong]

There is the actual pride of ownership, the lift we get when we are going away in “our”
motorhome.
Never bothered to worry about how much it might be worth in the future. If you constantly did that there is probably more reasons to say “no” about any purchase other than necessities.
Life’s too short.

We have an extra reason for having our MH for going away. Should Poland ever get involved in war, not impossible, we only need to load a few possessions, clothes and food and get on the M/Way west, because we have no property or financial ties in this country.

It is a comforting thought.

This is in addition to the other points that Bramidan makes in the post I quoted.

 

[Apacheman]

Ballance costs against say flying on holiday, taxi or car park, cost of holiday, grief going through customs etc.

I prefer the Moho as it’s home from home

I too prefer the Moho probably for the same reasons you do, despite those costs. My post was purely to make the point that after the original purchase, the annual costs of just keeping, not using, a Moho are increasing. We’ve seen a massive hike in Insurance costs this last 12 months and they are likely to go even higher for everyone especially after the recent storms /floods. At some point the government will hike the VEL rates for non electric vehicles and duty on diesel will increase as the push for EVs gets stronger. I do 8000 miles a year so a breakdown of that £1200 equates to 15p per mile, not too bad. For anyone doing 2000 miles a year though that would be 60p per mile. If anyone does less than that ???
As essential costs increase some, not all, may be deterred from owning a Moho. If demand drops so will the prices of motorhomes.

 

[Pausim]

Not worried about cost per mile. If I was worried about costs I would evaluate it in nights away rather than miles

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[Apacheman]

Not worried about cost per mile. If I was worried about costs I would evaluate it in nights away rather than miles

Get your point. We get about 100 nights away a year (about 14 weeks). Works out £12 per night plus diesel, food, drink, sites, spends etc. Everyone will be different.