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EuroTrotters

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Just reading a thread about a Liner for 2 here......

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Carthago Liner for Two payload?

Hello helpful people! Can anyone please give me their thought on this…….https://www.morrisonmotors.co.uk/leisure-vehicles/fiat-ducato-linerfortwo/ From my limited knowledge and research I would think that the payload on this Motorhome is only 433kgs? But when I phoned the garage to ask they...
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Its pushing 3 years old.

Where do this prices come from ?

2004 We bought a Eura Mobil 3 years old for £29,000

In 2009 we bought a 17 month Old Bespoke built 8m Frankia A Class. Mercedes Chassis and V6 3 litre Engine.

It was £59,950 and they even took my old Eura Mobil in part X for £28,500. So I chipped in the other £31k.

In 2013, we traded the Frankia in, £48,500 for a Brand New, but 3 year old build La Strada Nova for £60,000. So we paid £11,500 on top.

We sold that La Strada for £60,000 almost years later in 2016. It had a 3 litre V6 Engine with Auto Gearbox

At the Dusseldorf show, we went to the La Strada Stand. The latest La Strada Nova now starts at a whopping €170,000 with basic spec.

Madness.

I wish my earnings had gone up at that rate !

Are you all winning the Lotto ?
 
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EuroTrotters said:
Just reading a thread about a Liner for 2 here......

www.motorhomefun.co.uk

Carthago Liner for Two payload?

Hello helpful people! Can anyone please give me their thought on this…….https://www.morrisonmotors.co.uk/leisure-vehicles/fiat-ducato-linerfortwo/ From my limited knowledge and research I would think that the payload on this Motorhome is only 433kgs? But when I phoned the garage to ask they...
www.motorhomefun.co.uk www.motorhomefun.co.uk

Its pushing 3 years old.

Where do this prices come from ?

2004 We bought a Eura Mobil 3 years old for £29,000

In 2009 we bought a 17 month Old Bespoke built 8m Frankia A Class. Mercedes Chassis and V6 3 litre Engine.

It was £59,950 and they even took my old Eura Mobil in part X for £28,500. So I chipped in the other £31k.

In 2013, we traded the Frankia in, £48,500 for a Brand New, but 3 year old build La Strada Nova for £60,000. So we paid £11,500 on top.

We sold that La Strada for £60,000 almost years later in 2016. It had a 3 litre V6 Engine with Auto Gearbox

At the Dusseldorf show, we went to the La Strada Stand. The latest La Strada Nova now starts at a whopping €170,000 with basic spec.

Madness.

I wish my earnings had gone up at that rate !

Are you all winning the Lotto ?
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Not us, just holding on to N&B Arto (2003) bought 2009 for £27.5K

I could afford those new prices but will not. If we really have to change at some point it will be for another good quality MH and maybe even 10 years old.
 
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Eye watering prices for new vans indeed. Its what keeps the second hand prices up though.. Can’t have it both ways. After owning six vans over 20 years the loss on all trades is under 6K and that was on a new van. All the others have held their price. Amazing!👍
 
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EuroTrotters said:
In 2013, we traded the Frankia in, £48,500 for a Brand New, but 3 year old build La Strada Nova for £60,000. So we paid £11,500 on top.

We sold that La Strada for £60,000 almost years later in 2016. It had a 3 litre V6 Engine with Auto Gearbox

At the Dusseldorf show, we went to the La Strada Stand. The latest La Strada Nova now starts at a whopping €170,000 with basic spec.
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It held its price well even before they went off the wall with the COVID bounce, there’s a huge demand for LaStrada in the EU, l have a Nova 4x4 LHD and have to say it’s a fabulous MH with an outstanding build quality. I am hopeful the residuals will hold up as good as yours did.

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Someone will get a bargain, see the Nuevo EK in the classifieds, the price will only go up once a dealer grabs it
Base Vehicle Fiat Ducato.
Dimensions5.75m L, 2.32m W, 2.69m H.
Fuel Type Diesel.
Gearbox Automatic.
Engine Size2287.
Plated Weight3500.
Auto Sleeper Nuevo EK, Automatic.
Personal number plate L8 NUE
 
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The AS Nuevo is a nice little MH and I hope it sells for you quite soon. However new prices are going through the roof and if you want one now the list price could be north of £90k with extras which is a whopping amount. This is just one example of new prices that might to straining what is achievable!!

A couple of days ago we drove around Chartres and the Chausson dealership had a long line of models with -€13k to -€7k in the windows. Is this a sign of the times or just seasonal? I know this is France not the UK but ….. TBH we have driven this route many times in the last few years and not seen reductions on this scale before.
 
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ianp said:
Its a bubble thats gonna pop.........
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Not for a while.

If the 'peak' buying age for a motorhome is 55-65 years, we are just past peak generation Boomer, there is a bit of a dip (those born in the mid 60's), before the next far bigger surge of those born in the 1970's and early 1980's.

If we are still permitted to run a diesel powered large vehicle in the 2030's (and that is a big 'IF')
then there will still be tens of thousands of buyers for the older vehicles for vehicles made in the 2020's.

However the bubble could burst in the 2040's when there is a dip in retirees in late 2030's


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Brains said:
Not for a while.

If the 'peak' buying age for a motorhome is 55-65 years, we are just past peak generation Boomer, there is a bit of a dip (those born in the mid 60's), before the next far bigger surge of those born in the 1970's and early 1980's.

If we are still permitted to run a diesel powered large vehicle in the 2030's (and that is a big 'IF')
then there will still be tens of thousands of buyers for the older vehicles for vehicles made in the 2020's.

However the bubble could burst in the 2040's when there is a dip in retirees in late 2030's


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Mmmm not too sure about that........registrations of new motorhomes peaked in the UK in 2018. 2022 was at a level equal to a point midway between 2015 / 2016. So actual demand is reducing as we speak.......what 'inflated' prices was the reduction in base vehicle availability and the restrictions caused by the pandemic.....plus a fair bit of media coverage like TV shows creating a 'fashion' swing and finally the lack of depreciation caused by the above stoking the price rises........without any doubt the tide will turn in a couple of years and prices will drop from the bottom up...... so sayeth one of life's financial imbeciles and so take it all with a pinch of salt......
 
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We like the Hymer we have, it works for us, it's now 18 years old and needs a bit of paintwork attention. Might get done this spring...
We spend a bit...not a lot, on keeping it going..
We could and perhaps should, be looking around to replacing it...but finding a suitable replacement is going to be hard....Germany is going to be our best option...but a makeover might be favourite...
 
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Wizz said:
Could the dip in new registrations in 2022 have been due to the slowdown in production of new vehicles due to the pandemic and scarcity of components?
I think maybe….
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Possibly but it looks to me like there is a steady decline in new motorhome sales from a peak in 2021. European MH sales figures in total show a steady decline after a 2021 peak in most markets except the UK which shows a small growth.

European sales total by year:

2020: 160k
2021: 187k
2022: 147k
2023: 119k (Jan-Sept) -5k yoy

On my recent travels in France nearly all dealers have a healthy stock of new vehicles!!!
 
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Barchetta47 said:
Possibly but it looks to me like there is a steady decline in new motorhome sales from a peak in 2021. European MH sales figures in total show a steady decline after a 2021 peak in most markets except the UK which shows a small growth.

European sales total by year:

2020: 160k
2021: 187k
2022: 147k
2023: 119k (Jan-Sept) -5k yoy

On my recent travels in France nearly all dealers have a healthy stock of new vehicles!!!
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Much the same trend as the Statista graph but with a couple of years shift and higher volumes......where were your figures from please B?
 
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Ok. Went to the turbo place. They can only look at if it’s taken off the vehicle. They have no lifting facilities. I’m I’m not sure if it’s improved this morning but I think we will head home. The guy did suggest a garage round the corner but I’m not hopeful.
Thanks everybody for all the suggestions.
 
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A further effect in a few years time could also come from new buyers not having c1 licences, as those with "grandfather" rights will be reducing. Could lead to a fall in prices for 3500kg+ vans?
 
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ianp said:
Much the same trend as the Statista graph but with a couple of years shift and higher volumes......where were your figures from please B?
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Statistics

The European Caravan Federation (ECF) is the umbrella organisation representing the national organisations of the European RV Industry.
www.e-c-f.com www.e-c-f.com
 
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Littlewheels said:
It held its price well even before they went off the wall with the COVID bounce, there’s a huge demand for LaStrada in the EU, l have a Nova 4x4 LHD and have to say it’s a fabulous MH with an outstanding build quality. I am hopeful the residuals will hold up as good as yours did.
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What year May I ask ?
Brains said:
Not for a while.

If the 'peak' buying age for a motorhome is 55-65 years, we are just past peak generation Boomer, there is a bit of a dip (those born in the mid 60's), before the next far bigger surge of those born in the 1970's and early 1980's.

If we are still permitted to run a diesel powered large vehicle in the 2030's (and that is a big 'IF')
then there will still be tens of thousands of buyers for the older vehicles for vehicles made in the 2020's.

However the bubble could burst in the 2040's when there is a dip in retirees in late 2030's


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Bought our first one in my late 30’s so much less around then
jumar said:
We like the Hymer we have, it works for us, it's now 18 years old and needs a bit of paintwork attention. Might get done this spring...
We spend a bit...not a lot, on keeping it going..
We could and perhaps should, be looking around to replacing it...but finding a suitable replacement is going to be hard....Germany is going to be our best option...but a makeover might be favourite...
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As a Spanish / EU resident , is that free of import tax ?
 
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That Cathargo is just 30cm longer than my Burstner 727G also bought in 2021. Yes, it's an A class but in general terms not much more space than we have. There is is alot of extra goodies in that but nothing that I would find particularly exciting or useful. Maybe Cathargo is a slightly better van in terms of build quality. However I paid 60K for mine new in 2021. 3 years on this is worth an extra £117K!!!! Not to me it isn't.

Clearly the original owner didn't like it either doing less than 2000 miles a year in it.
 
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Baggydave said:
Ok. Went to the turbo place. They can only look at if it’s taken off the vehicle. They have no lifting facilities. I’m I’m not sure if it’s improved this morning but I think we will head home. The guy did suggest a garage round the corner but I’m not hopeful.
Thanks everybody for all the suggestions.
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Sorry wrong thread! Age related🤞🤞
 
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In Germany new registered motorhomes were up another 3% while caravans were down 10%.

68,469 new motorhomes registered in Germany in 2023. Motorhome Production up 18%, Motorhome Exports up 9%

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Wh05apk said:
A further effect in a few years time could also come from new buyers not having c1 licences, as those with "grandfather" rights will be reducing. Could lead to a fall in prices for 3500kg+ vans?
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I would have thought so.

I would like to see stats that break down the new motorhomes sold into sub - 3,500 and heavier.

My previous van was on an Iveco chassis and over 5 tons. It was a Hobby Sphinx. But Hobby now (I think) only make sub - 3.5 t vans. One obviously can't extrapolate from a single business decision by a single manufacturer, but I do wonder if there is a relative decline in the over - 3.5 t category.
 
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