Motorhome too heavy

[Rimswell Wanderer]

I updated our Tribute 715 for free, after contacting Autotrail they sent me FOC the relevant documents and new PLATE I then filled in the appropriate form for advising the DVLA of changes and sent it off, All this cost nothing and once the registration document was returned all I had to do was fit the the plating certificate. There are also companies that will do it for but they do charge. From I gather it’s the same procedure to revert back to,original. Hope this helps.

 

[Minxy]

We have Bailey 75-2 which comes out of factory at 3850kg but down rated to 3500kg so it could be driven on a car licence.
I’m going to up rate it back to 3850kg it just a paper transaction I went to Sv tech they wanted £260+vat but now going to use JR Consultancy he can doing in a week cost £180 no vat tel 01359250808.
If you want to do it yourself call DVSA for the forms no cost not done this my self.
Hope this helps.

You need an engineers report to uprate (or one supplied by the manufacturer in the case of Autotrail), so ringing the DVSA for the paperwork and doing it yourself is unlikely to be accepted unless it was previously registered at the higher weight then down plated in which case they might.

 

[Rimswell Wanderer]

Following up my first reply, your situation is exactly what I did and as I said it cost nothing to do it, if you speak to the manufacturer of Bailey they will be able to send the engineers report to you. I did speak to the
DVLA and they were most helpful. In my working life I was involved with Mercedes Benz,Audi VW car van and truck and this was one of the services that we could provide but as I said I did my own for free.

 

[Minxy]

Following up my first reply, your situation is exactly what I did and as I said it cost nothing to do it, if you speak to the manufacturer of Bailey they will be able to send the engineers report to you. I did speak to the
DVLA and they were most helpful. In my working life I was involved with Mercedes Benz,Audi VW car van and truck and this was one of the services that we could provide but as I said I did my own for free.

That's good, so we now have confirmation that at least two UK manufacturers will provide the necessary info FOC, namely:

• Bailey
• Autotrail

Any more either UK or foreign?

 

[Rds559]

Sv tech told me this morning that with a push could have it done in 48 hrs so do I need a engineers report

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[WhiteCheyenneMan]

We have Bailey 75-2 which comes out of factory at 3850kg but down rated to 3500kg so it could be driven on a car licence.
I’m going to up rate it back to 3850kg it just a paper transaction I went to Sv tech they wanted £260+vat but now going to use JR Consultancy he can doing in a week cost £180 no vat tel 01359250808.
If you want to do it yourself call DVSA for the forms no cost not done this my self.
Hope this helps.

Have you checked whether Bailey will do it for you? They uprated our caravan back in 2013/4 for about £70?

 

[Minxy]

Sv tech told me this morning that with a push could have it done in 48 hrs so do I need a engineers report

Not sure if that makes a difference or not as you still have to submit the info to the DVLA for them to agree and give you a new V5C, so it could simply be that SVTech are just speeding up their own 'engineer' report, or using Bailey to do it for them!

 

[Rds559]

I asked Bailey and they put me on to Sv tech to do it.

 

[arto stu]

Got to say... i sent paperwork to sv tech Friday... got my plate and the cert back back and very clear instructions on what to do on the following Wednesday.... easy peasy.... might not be the cheapest, but the service was great

 

[gus-lopez]

Got to say... i sent paperwork to sv tech Friday... got my plate and the cert back back and very clear instructions on what to do on the following Wednesday.... easy peasy.... might not be the cheapest, but the service was great

how long did the dvla take to return the new V5 ?

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[arto stu]

Still waiting lol.... only sent it last Wednesday... i think its a 4 week turn round.... still plate looks good

4 Ton with 5.5 ton max with trailer

 

[arto stu]

O forgot to say Sv asked for a photo of my air assist... sent a mail asking... sent it straight back

 

[dosser]

I can't get through to him Andrew and my email wasn't answered, do you have a contact number?

Hi Caroline i emailed JR on the 7th January and he has just answered today with the details i need to send him.

 

[Minxy]

Got to say... i sent paperwork to sv tech Friday... got my plate and the cert back back and very clear instructions on what to do on the following Wednesday.... easy peasy.... might not be the cheapest, but the service was great

... but you still had to send the stuff off the to DVLA, some people think they do it all, but as you've found they don't.

 

[arto stu]

I expected to send of v5 thing... hard to see how u could get a new one otherwise ... svtech sent out very comprehensive instructions on what to do as well as the certificate thing u need...they also tell u how to get your tax money back as well... assuming u paid in one go... all in all very good service

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[Rds559]

RW where did you get the forms and paperwork so I can do it myself please.
Thank you.

 

[suavecarve]

All well and good so far, but I always feel slightly edgy in case we get pulled, so I'd be interested to know your policy on tolls.

What you shouldnt do is take a photo of your >3,500 kgs V5 and keep it in a seperate folder on your smartphone and also you shouldnt leave one of your weightplates without the uprated certificate so it would be possible to point investigating people in the wrong direction. It would be bad advice if this was ever given to you.

If you were stoped for a check the VOSA bloke would look at the plate on the vehicle and use that weight, he doesn't know individual vehicle weightonly those on the plate

They have access to PNC which shows the weight, and if they are doing paperwork for you, it sort of shows up, so you would be technically "in the poo"

Surely to find out the 'legal' (ie if you can be fined etc) situation it would be better to ask a copper as they are the ones who would fine you?

They are the last people to ask, unless they wear a white hat. If they are wearing the white hat they know traffic law back to front and it is a very black and white matter for them. 3,501 kgs you are breaking the law. ACPO recommendations give you the 5%. They dont have to take any notice of ACPO recommendations (They do though) Sort of like speeding, most areas are 10% +2. So if on a motorway you wont get a ticket under ACPO guidelines til you do 79. However, failing the attitude test (which obviously doesnt exist) orfailing to show remorse for your actions is highly likely to get you a ticket.
The average Police Officer hasnt got a clue about weight limits and I have never heard of a non white hat handing a ticket out.

@Minxy Girl Having read the whole thread, what date are you expecting your valentines day card from SVtech ? I think they love you !

 

[Minxy]

@Minxy Girl Having read the whole thread, what date are you expecting your valentines day card from SVtech ? I think they love you !

They probably do ... they're obviously waaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaay too busy doing all the plating for those who don't know about JR to be worried by little old me!

 

[Rds559]

Providing that there aren't accidents to complicate matters DVSA will only give the OP an ear bashing and not a FPT so long as the weight doesn't exceed 5% overweight ie in total, 3675 Kgs

PS I'm not condoning driving overweight but the only difference in these circs between being legal and illegal is the numbers on the VIN plate (Assuming he hasn't put an elephant in the room.)

 

[Rds559]

Is the 5% just in UK or the same in Europe

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[Crazylegs]

Is the 5% just in UK or the same in Europe

From what I have read and my experience it’s virtually unheard of for a private vehicle ( not a van or truck) to be prosecuted for being overweight in the U.K. providing you are within 10% of your maximum plated weight.The usual course of action involves advice and information that will help prevent the situation reoccurring. Naturally if your vehicle is grossly overweight and unroadworthy you deserve the book being thrown at you.
Elsewhere in Europe there have been several reports of motorhomes being weighed and fined for being overweight in the last few years, but how frequently this occurs is hard to say. I am pleased to report that whilst I have been stopped for a vehicle check I have never been weighed either in a Motorhome or as part of a race team over many many thousands of miles and four decades.

 

[gus-lopez]

Is the 5% just in UK or the same in Europe

UK

 

[pandas]

From what I have read and my experience it’s virtually unheard of for a private vehicle ( not a van or truck) to be prosecuted for being overweight in the U.K. providing you are within 10% of your maximum plated weight.The usual course of action involves advice and information that will help prevent the situation reoccurring. Naturally if your vehicle is grossly overweight and unroadworthy you deserve the book being thrown at you.
Elsewhere in Europe there have been several reports of motorhomes being weighed and fined for being overweight in the last few years, but how frequently this occurs is hard to say. I am pleased to report that whilst I have been stopped for a vehicle check I have never been weighed either in a Motorhome or as part of a race team over many many thousands of miles and four decades.

There seems to be an obsession around being stopped and fined. This is not the point. If it is over the plated agreement for your vehicle it will be outside of the safety range set out for driving the vehicle. This will additional pressure on the brakes, (stopping distance) suspension (pitch and roll) and therefore the roadworthiness of the vehicle. It’s not only you that could effected but also any other road user that might pay the price of somebody being irresponsible. And then there is the insurance claim issue where your own vehicle may not be covered we’re it in a serious accident - oh sorry ones never known of an insurance company trying to wriggle out of paying out a claim because of a somebody not keeping to the legal requirements like bald tyres, no MOT, wrong type of licence. Think about the implications. Rant over!

 

[Larrynwin]

There seems to be an obsession around being stopped and fined. This is not the point. If it is over the plated agreement for your vehicle it will be outside of the safety range set out for driving the vehicle. This will additional pressure on the brakes, (stopping distance) suspension (pitch and roll) and therefore the roadworthiness of the vehicle. It’s not only you that could effected but also any other road user that might pay the price of somebody being irresponsible. And then there is the insurance claim issue where your own vehicle may not be covered we’re it in a serious accident - oh sorry ones never known of an insurance company trying to wriggle out of paying out a claim because of a somebody not keeping to the legal requirements like bald tyres, no MOT, wrong type of licence. Think about the implications. Rant over!

Will not necessarily be unsafe. My Hymer purchased new plated at 3500kgs with front and rear at 2000kgs but Hymer original plate is for 3850kgs so if it were 10% overweight it would still not exceed the original plate.

 

[Speve]

... but you still had to send the stuff off the to DVLA, some people think they do it all, but as you've found they don't.

Yes but when you send it off it doesn’t have any problems and you get your V5C back quickly in our case within two weeks.

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[pandas]

Will not necessarily be unsafe. My Hymer purchased new plated at 3500kgs with front and rear at 2000kgs but Hymer original plate is for 3850kgs so if it were 10% overweight it would still not exceed the original plate.

You are making a good technical point although I have no idea if it’s 5% or 10% - not sure If I care either. Hopefully you know where I am coming from; you are parked at some traffic lights at the bottom of a hill with some dork coming up too fast behind you that has no idea of what weight they have - plated 3500 and 1000 overloaded trying to stop. Doesn’t work for me.

 

[Larrynwin]

You are making a good technical point althoigh I have no idea if it’s 5% or 10% - not sure If I care either. Hopefully you know where I am coming from; you are parked at some traffic lights at the bottom of a hill with some dork coming up too fast behind you that has no idea of what weight they have - plated 3500 and 1000 overloaded trying to stop. Doesn’t work for me.

If it’s overloaded beyond its spec it could well be dangerous and a 1000kgs above would certainly be.

 

[Minxy]

Yes but when you send it off it doesn’t have any problems and you get your V5C back quickly in our case within two weeks.

SVTech do not have more influence over the DVLA than any other company/engineer so that doesn't mean that using them will give you an 'advantage' enabling you to get your V5C back quicker, it's all down to the luck of the draw at the DVLA.

 

[CazPaul]

SVTech do not have more influence over the DVLA than any other company/engineer so that doesn't mean that using them will give you an 'advantage' enabling you to get your V5C back quicker, it's all down to the luck of the draw at the DVLA.

Yes I thought that, surely you don't receive a new V5 any quicker if Sv Tech do the work as opposed to Jr.
JR we're great and have just sent everything to dvla.

 

[Pausim]

Manufacturers are allowed a 5% tolerance in the weight figures they give for registration purposes so it doesn’t seem unreasonable for us to be allowed a 5% tolerance if pulled over. Yes we should take care to comply with rules that are aimed at keeping us all safe but I suspect the enforcement agencies are primarily after those who are pushing things beyond 5%.

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