MOTORHOME AVERAGE PAYLOAD

[PeteH]

That's an interesting point and it might increase now that new motorhomes (6d engine ones with emission figures) are being classed as cars for taxation purposes ... I wonder if this is a way to persuade the gov to put MHs in a separate class ... ?

The vast majority of chassis/cab units which most motor homes are based on (some PVC`s Excepted) Are actually DOWNRATED, and without modification can be used up to much higher running mass`. Making this adjustment (raising the B-B1 limit to (say) 4t, ) in the licensing regulation would make no significant difference, and note that the change only removes the "Blanket" restriction due to age, the other Medical reasons would remain, but would remove an extra cost (My last medical was £96) to those who have made their contribution to the country and now wish to enjoy their remaining days.

The removal of C-1 at 70 is nothing more than AGE DISCRIMINATION. Any other "discrimination" would have the Liberal, P-C "Lovies". screaming!. But us "old gits" are expected keep quiet, and to be happy to stare at 4 walls until the grim reaper arrives!.

 

[Minxy]

When I bought my new motorhome the salesman asked to see my licence, is there some rule they can't sell you over 3,500kg if you don't have a C1 licence?

No, they don't have to ask/tell you anything ...

 

[Minxy]

The removal of C-1 at 70 is nothing more than AGE DISCRIMINATION. Any other "discrimination" would have the Liberal, P-C "Lovies". screaming!. But us "old gits" are expected keep quiet, and to be happy to stare at 4 walls until the grim reaper arrives!.

... but could you not use the same argument at the other end of the scale to say that anyone competent should be able to have a driving licence even if they are below the minimum age for having one, there are many members who have driven cars/tractors etc in their childhood for example.

To be honest if you are unable to pass the medical (which in most cases isn't very stringent) then IMV you shouldn't be driving, never mind a large vehicle.

 

[Lenny HB]

Errr, could you not just buy Boxes of wine instead? You could then increase your essential pay load effectively by another box ie 3 extra bottles.

Not good for me 'elf, a 75cl bottle lasts a couple of days a 3 Lt box only 3 days. ?

 

[barsteward]

When I bought my new motorhome the salesman asked to see my licence, is there some rule they can't sell you over 3,500kg if you don't have a C1 licence?

I suspect that will be more a case of "Duty of Care" or miss selling lawsuit. They certainly wouldn't be checking out of the goodness of their hearts.

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[Lenny HB]

Jim Is the arrow at the top of a quote that takes you back to the original post new, or have I been blind for months?

 

[barsteward]

Not good for me 'elf, a 75cl bottle lasts a couple of days a 3 Lt box only 3 days. ?

Are you trying to tell me that teenie weenie box of wine lasts for more than one day.?

 

[Minxy]

Jim Is the arrow at the top of a quote that takes you back to the original post new, or have I been blind for months?

Well spotted ... I didn't know that either! ? ... I'd seen it, but I thought it was just a little palm tree! ?

 

[andy63]

They certainly wouldn't be checking out of the goodness of their hearts.

I used to know someone that was sold a mh they did not have an entitlement to drive... a used motorhome with a gross weight of 3800kg... and they did not possess a c1.
Had to be downplated which effectively left no payload but on the face of it then legally driven..
Andy
Andy

 

[Rosemary1]

Well spotted ... I didn't know that either! ? ... I'd seen it, but I thought it was just a little palm tree! ?

Oooooh - yes - handy!

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[Jim]

Jim Is the arrow at the top of a quote that takes you back to the original post new, or have I been blind for months?

It's been there for around 6 months now. Good ennit?

 

[Lenny HB]

It's been there for around 6 months now. Good ennit?

Are you sure as even Mel hadn't noticed it, nothing escapes her eagle eyes. ?

 

[barsteward]

I used to know someone that was sold a mh they did not have an entitlement to drive... a used motorhome with a gross weight of 3800kg... and they did not possess a c1.
Had to be downplated which effectively left no payload but on the face of it then legally driven..
Andy
Andy

Whilst looking around to downgrade one dealer who I asked to weigh the vehicle before purchasing replied, "What do you want to weigh it for? everyone drives them overweight and how many people do you know that have been prosecuted? "

I think that is typical of the whole trade and not just in the UK.

I met a Dutchman in Spain last year whom when quizzed about the amount of gear he had in his 3500 Tonne Merc openly bragged that he knew he was well overweight and all his Dutch friends were the same.
I am not singling out the Dutch merely using them as an example the problem is European wide not just UK

 

[pandas]

Errr, could you not just buy Boxes of wine instead? You could then increase your essential pay load effectively by another box ie 3 extra bottles.

Errr, could you not just buy Boxes of wine instead? You could then increase your essential pay load effectively by another box ie 3 extra bottles.

They don’t sell my vintage in boxes yet! Anyhow I haven’t got a problem weight wise as I had the advantage of doing some homework before I selected and bought my motorhome. And everybody hates a smart arse I know!

 

[funflair]

Are you sure as even Mel hadn't noticed it, nothing escapes her eagle eyes. ?

I knew? Nah nah nah nah na?

Martin

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[Jim]

Are you sure as even Mel hadn't noticed it, nothing escapes her eagle eyes. ?

It is a standard part of the forum software and has been there from the first day

 

[barsteward]

OOps should have quoted Pandas

( Anyhow I haven’t got a problem weight wise as I had the advantage of doing some homework before I selected and bought my motorhome. )


So did I, decided not to buy any more bottles of wine.


?

 

[SpeedyDux]

When I bought my new motorhome the salesman asked to see my licence, is there some rule they can't sell you over 3,500kg if you don't have a C1 licence?

It might have something to do with identity checks and anti-money laundering.

 

[596]

It might have something to do with identity checks and anti-money laundering.

No definitely looked at the back at the licence categories I have and in fact stated that was what he had to see. My wife is popping in later today to see what we bought, will get her to ask him

 

[Pausim]

The removal of C-1 at 70 is nothing more than AGE DISCRIMINATION.

Or is the age discrimination that all the younger people who passed their driving tests in the last 20 years don’t get C1 at all. If you start complaining too much about age discrimination someone might decide we need to pass the HGV test like the youngsters.

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[Candapack]

Can anyone help me here. Do Adria mention payloads anywhere? https://www.adria-mobil.com/motorhomes

I keep old mags in the loo, and as it happens was today looking at MMM Dec 2018 where they reviewed an Adria Coral. 7.5 metres, 3500kg. Payload 449kg, but after adding various options it came down to 325kg.Maybe that's why you can't find the info on Adrias own blurb.

 

[grumps147]

Photocopying your licence is a form of identity check to register a vehicle with DVLA. Other documents can be used. Below is a copy of DVLA website....

Making an application
Fill in form V55/4 or V55/5
For any type of newly registered vehicle, you must fill in either a:

• V55/4 form to register a new vehicle, including new imported vehicles and newly-built (kit) cars
• V55/5 form to register a used vehicle, including rebuilt vehicles, used imported vehicles and older vehicles that have never been registered

Provide copies of identity documents
Send in a photocopy of your photocard driving licence with your application form to prove your identity.
If you cannot do this, you must send in photocopies of one document that proves your name and another document that proves your address.
Documents you can use to confirm your name include:

• passport
• marriage certificate
• decree nisi or absolute
• birth certificate
• current UK paper driving licence (not a paper counterpart)

Documents you can use to confirm your address include:

• recent utility bill (within the last 3 months) - for example gas, electricity, water, landline
• recent bank or building society statement (within the last 3 months)
• medical card
• council tax bill for current year

You can fill in form V959 - ‘Notification of name and address check’instead of these documents to prove your identity if you’re a current DVLAtrade plate holder.

 

[RowleyBirkinQC]

Errr, could you not just buy Boxes of wine instead? You could then increase your essential pay load effectively by another box ie 3 extra bottles.

Costco do a 5 litre box of Rioja-alike which is perfect for that purpose.
Not the best Tempranillo you’ll ever sample, but definitely not the worst either.

 

[treetops1]

An awning is still an added weight to the van and must come off the total allowed,which in itself reduces any personal allowances .

 

[Larrynwin]

There must be many thousands of motorhome owners that don’t see this or any other related forum and just buy their motorhomes and drive them, just like you would a car, who looks at the weight plate on their car when full of adults and the boot full, not many at a guess.
OK ignorance of the law is no defence but with motorhome weight limits so skimpy and similar licence limits there must be many on our roads outside the law.

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[Terry242]

Never had my van weighed and no interest in doing so.
Don't know a copper who has ever stopped a motorhome and don't know many that would know what to do if they did!

Excellent thread(when on topic).

Terry

 

[Minxy]

Avoiding being fined etc should NOT be the main concern for being overweight, instead it should be whether or not the vehicle is safe to drive! A little over the max weight and the suspension, brakes, steering etc should work as intended, but if you are quite a bit over it could seriously affect handling.

So if you don't have a clue what your MH weighs how on earth do you know you are still 'safe'?

 

[DDJC]

We went for one of the largest publicised cargo weights. Meant sodall when you add the aircon, oven, Omnistor 4900, speare wheel, etc etc etc.

We are a family of 4 and have a 150hp 3500 Rimor Just sitting in it with fuel, a few clothes, wine, grub, tool bag, the spare wheel and two warning triangles and we only have 50 kg to play with.

So, we use the smallest 2 axle trailer, stick a Suzuki Ignis on it and pile in 250 kilo of gear. Trailer weight is 1300 kg (max 1600) and nose weight is still only about 40 kilo because it is double axle.

Result? The Moho is within weight limits, the trailer is within weight limits, we have a little car so we don't have to take down the Thule G3 Residence when we have to dash out for some more prosciutto crudo and there is still >100kg of wine weight in the Suzuki for the run to Calais.

My advice then is get a trailer and a car and load up. Forget worrying about weights.
(Don't forget to get the German and French clean air certificates - the Gendarmes were checking in Paris last month.)

PS Alloys are 15-20% lighter then steel)

 

[DDJC]

I hear you Minxy Girl, but " A little over the max weight " is a bit misleading when Rimor will up-rate my bus' max weight to 3650 if I pay them some cash. No air suspension, new springs, no new shocks, nothing. Just a bit of cash. So I don't really worry about being overweight from safety point of view.

 

[PeteH]

... but could you not use the same argument at the other end of the scale to say that anyone competent should be able to have a driving licence even if they are below the minimum age for having one, there are many members who have driven cars/tractors etc in their childhood for example.

To be honest if you are unable to pass the medical (which in most cases isn't very stringent) then IMV you shouldn't be driving, never mind a large vehicle.

I think you missed the thrust of my reasoning Vis;- ,""" the other Medical reasons would remain, but would remove an extra cost (My last medical was £96) to those who have made their contribution to the country and now wish to enjoy their remaining days.""

One`s entitlements can be removed on the recommendation of the medical profession at any age. THIS is entirely DISCRIMINATORY on the basis of AGE. And age alone.

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