MOTORHOME AVERAGE PAYLOAD

[596]

There are already built in road weighing sensors linked to cameras on trial in some areas. If you are overweight it has nothing to do with Boris, but you are breaking the law.

I'm not condoning breaking the law, I am just highlighting the fact that there must be a few people that have no clue what their payload is, how to work out their weight, or just don't care less. THAT is why I see it as easy pickings

 

[thebriars]

Why not name and shame those manufacturers who mislead with their woeful payload and don't make it absolutely clear what is included in that payload?

People frequently mention Benimars as having a low payload, but I'm quite impressed with the way they handle that. The publicity is very clear what is included and what isn't. Add to that a quite impressive list of extras as standard, such as the spare wheel and tools which therefore don't detract from that payload. About the only factory extra is the auto box, and the brochure gives the extra weight of that too.

 

[MR. FUSION]

I'm not condoning breaking the law, I am just highlighting the fact that there must be a few people that have no clue what their payload is, how to work out their weight, or just don't care less. THAT is why I see it as easy pickings

Perhaps a few fines and points will help their education ?

 

[596]

Perhaps a few fines and points will help their education ?

Maybe at motorhome shows there should be a sponsored guess my weight stand showing how easy it is to be overloaded with demonstrations using a ginormous set of scales, I guess it would highlight the dangers if people were shown a video of how it could affect braking, overturning, putting your families and others at risk, make your insurance invalid, and the police explaining what they would do to you like impound it or whatever that could spoil your trip to the ferry for you annual holiday. SVTech could also have a stand there to help people see if they get out of the crap

 

[seakay22]

Whilst I know this thread is about essential payload it's worth remembering that there are likely to be occasions where you might want to carry passengers, maybe not when touring but for days out etc. If you're on the limit then you can't take them!

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[Mikeco]

I travel with the bare minimum of water I require, usually just under 230L

Is that to wash your undergarments as you don’t carry many pairs.

 

[596]

I would like to know how many motorhomes with 6 seat belts can actually seat 6 people with the payload and essentials. I mentioned before on here that I asked a salesman who showed me one and he said my wife could follow in the car with the others and meet me at the site, I would then have a car to get around in, Oh Please! what is up with these salesmen, are they plain stupid or think punters are plain stupid? More to the point WHY are there 6 seat belts fitted?

 

[Lenny HB]

Is that to wash your undergarments as you don’t carry many pairs.

I thought everyone carried a washing machine in their garage - we do.

 

[pappajohn]

EVERY motorhome should come with a fitted towbar as standard..... Then there's no problem with payload, Tow a trailer.

 

[Jaws]

there is no payload scandal.

Miller Alabama States.. Plated at 3.5t
On the way home from collecting it ( maybe a few litres of water sloshing around, red light on showing very low diesel.. no grub, no clobber, no Woman ) put it on the bridge.. 3.6 t !!!!!!!!!!
Called Miller in Italy.. Man said they were all like it and in Italy, no one cares !

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[Lenny HB]

This self levelling system also measures your weight, I have been looking at it but it weighs around 69kg itself so kind of doesn't help really payload wise

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Have it on our sir suspension, not impressed with the accuracy.

 

[tonyidle]

The point really isn't about what can be loaded, what can't, what extras can be attached and what cannot. The issue is simple: manufacturers sell a lifestyle, freedom, all the comforts, etc then sell it short. It should not, given the investment required, be up to the buyer to consider whether he has to choose between taking his partner or his dog. He or she should be able to collect the vehicle and have a "normal" holiday without having to account for the weight of normal holiday gear. Converters know this but contrive to hide the payload problem. If the authorities ever start to take the issue seriously there will be more than a few motorhome dealers under fire for mis-selling. I would suggest that selling a motorhome with 4 belted seats that cannot be used to carry the occupants of those seats is mis-selling. The purchaser should reasonably be able to assume all seats can be occupied during travel.

 

[Pausim]

We used to own a 2013 Tracker FB and the only way we could use it was uprate to 3850 kg and even then when we decided we wanted to fit a tow bar by the time that was added you could hardly tow anything so we parted company with it after two great years of travel for a Hymer.???

Not sure I understand why the tow bar did not help the payload problem. I understand they are heavy extras, the one I have is about 60kg. However even the lightest of trailers will probably have a payload of 300kg +. The train weight limit could be a factor but it would usually need to be a very heavy trailer to be a problem.

 

[Jim]

Not sure I understand why the tow bar did not help the payload problem. I understand they are heavy extras, the one I have is about 60kg. However even the lightest of trailers will probably have a payload of 300kg +. The train weight limit could be a factor but it would usually need to be a very heavy trailer to be a problem.

Putting a modest 30kg trailer nose-weight on a 30KG towbar might put 90kg of weight on the rear axle, so that would preclude lots of vans with rear storage and long overhangs from ever towing a trailer, maybe that was why.

Travelling with kids and all that entails. bikes x 5 bodyboards x5 wetsuits x5 etc etc. We always used a trailer. This wasn't me being a good boy and staying within legal restraints; it was the only way we could carry it all!

 

[596]

Oh Please! Jim, I have a tow bar on my current van and a trailer would have answered all my problem payload wise, now I have spent £70k to get one with a bigger payload for nothing really, I really wish this thread had been done ages ago ?

It’s good to talk! Learning so much on here ?

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[PeteH]

Putting a modest 30kg trailer nose-weight might put 50kg of weight on the rear axle, so that would preclude lots of vans with rear storage and long overhangs from ever towing a trailer, maybe that was why.

Travelling with kids and all that entails. bikes x 5 bodyboards x5 wetsuits x5 etc etc. We always used a trailer. This wasn't me being a good boy and staying within legal restraints; it was the only way we could carry it all!

When I was Marshalling at Festivals, I used to carry all sorts of "kit" none of which could go in the R-V. we used the "toad" as a trailer!!. Not that it was an issue weight wise, just bulk or just "in the way". BTW an "A" frame puts very little Nose-weight on the vehicle.

 

[Jim]

Oh Please! Jim, I have a tow bar on my current van and a trailer would have answered all my problem payload wise, now I have spent £70k to get one with a bigger payload for nothing really, I really wish this thread had been done ages ago ?

It’s good to talk! Learning so much on here ?

You need to check this out https://www.motorhomefun.co.uk/foru...et-to-show-effect-of-rear-loads-on-axles.266/

 

[mitzimad]

i think the real problem comes from the way licencing is set at commercial limits rather than having a seperate class for leisure driving most of the base vehicles are rated at 3650 minimum and down plated

 

[Jim]

Can anyone help me here. Do Adria mention payloads anywhere? https://www.adria-mobil.com/motorhomes

 

[Rosemary1]

EVERY motorhome should come with a fitted towbar as standard..... Then there's no problem with payload, Tow a trailer.

Hubby uses our poor Smartcar as a trailer sticking anything heavy in it!

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[Speve]

Not sure I understand why the tow bar did not help the payload problem. I understand they are heavy extras, the one I have is about 60kg. However even the lightest of trailers will probably have a payload of 300kg +. The train weight limit could be a factor but it would usually need to be a very heavy trailer to be a problem.

Didn’t want it for a light trailer but a car trailer by the time tow bar added the train weight was not enough, as when you uprate your train does not increase and overall train was not enough for what we required.as we were using pretty much all of the GVW.
And as Jim said earlier even just the nose weight would have caused problems as the trailer itself weighed 500kg?

 

[Minxy]

You need to check this out https://www.motorhomefun.co.uk/foru...et-to-show-effect-of-rear-loads-on-axles.266/

Strewth, I'd forgotten that I did that ... can you change the title to Minxy Girl rather than Mel B please Jim as I'm no longer a 'Spice Girl'. ?

 

[Lenny HB]

Can anyone help me here. Do Adria mention payloads anywhere? https://www.adria-mobil.com/motorhomes

Probably like a lot of manufacturers it's on their price list which they don't have available for download.

 

[Minxy]

Can anyone help me here. Do Adria mention payloads anywhere? https://www.adria-mobil.com/motorhomes

I've just had a shuftie round the site and can't find any mention at all, I've also downloaded the MH and van brochures and again no mention of payloads ... I wonder why they are hiding them?

 

[Jim]

Probably like a lot of manufacturers it's on their price list which they don't have available for download.

In the tiniest of print no doubt.

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[Minxy]

In the tiniest of print no doubt.

Don't think so, I did a search for various options and the only weight that came up was the MAM figures.

 

[busbuddy]

it wasn't so long ago that people used to drive 10 ton rv's on normal car licences because of the 'they are classed as a car mate' misconception and the salesman would never ask to see your licence
i am sure some people have been driving overloaded vans since campervans first came about but its only the last decade where the general buying public have become aware of the loading limitations...............the same has happened in the caravanning world where it has become apparent some 'dealer special' caravans have no payload at all

 

[Minxy]

it wasn't so long ago that people used to drive 10 ton rv's on normal car licences because of the 'they are classed as a car mate' misconception and the salesman would never ask to see your licence

That's an interesting point and it might increase now that new motorhomes (6d engine ones with emission figures) are being classed as cars for taxation purposes ... I wonder if this is a way to persuade the gov to put MHs in a separate class ... ?

 

[barsteward]

Sorry Jim I think you have muddied the water with your list of essentials.
In my humble opinion the word ‘essentials’ is misleading within context of the discussion.
I would see it as: the vehicle as supplied by the manufacturer. Any dealer options added ie fixed - solar panels, second battery, etc.
Then add the driver @ 75kg, full fuel tank, 20 Litres water (does vary), electrical cable, one full tank of gas - not just the bottle. Then the difference is up to you to take what you want to meet the plate criteria. If you classify it essential or not is again up to you - I would never carry less than 12 bottles of wine for example which is essential in my world.

Errr, could you not just buy Boxes of wine instead? You could then increase your essential pay load effectively by another box ie 3 extra bottles.

 

[596]

When I bought my new motorhome the salesman asked to see my licence, is there some rule they can't sell you over 3,500kg if you don't have a C1 licence?

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