MH TYRES

[joka250]

My reading of the Italian requirement is that as there are no CP marked winter tyres then parts of Italy will not be accessible in the winter. Or am I mis9sing something.

 

[JockandRita]

My reading of the Italian requirement is that as there are no CP marked winter tyres then parts of Italy will not be accessible in the winter. Or am I mis9sing something.

I don't know any different, but I find that hard to believe. I just can't imagine that there is a ruling/regulation that camping cars/motorhomes traversing Italy during winter months, are required to not only have 3PMSF marked tyres, but that they also have to be CP marked too.
If that is true, it is yet another indication that we are not "altogether" in this EU thing.

Cheers,

Jock.

 

[joka250]

I don't know any different, but I find that hard to believe. I just can't imagine that there is a ruling/regulation that camping cars/motorhomes traversing Italy during winter months, are required to not only have 3PMSF marked tyres, but that they also have to be CP marked too.
If that is true, it is yet another indication that we are not "altogether" in this EU thing.

Cheers,

Jock.

Couldn't agree more. I'm reluctant to contradict a Michelin statement but I can't believe it.

 

[Vipar]

Bet the eyties would change their regulations if we boycotted Italy and wrote to them stating why.

 

[Northernraider]

No, I didn't Mike, as I specifically wanted tyres with the 3PMSF markings, ensuring good grip, not only in snow and ice conditions, (here and travelling abroad over winter) but also on wet grass and mud. My previous Bridgestone Blizzaks were great for that.

Cheers,

Jock.

That's what I fitted on the front in France, Bridgestone blizzak winter tyres ...been great so far done 4000 + miles and still look new

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[Em and Tim]

Entertaining read, thanks, I was contemplating a new thread, but thought I may just hijack this one, as i have stumbled onto it as I have realised that I have different sized tyres on the front to the back. We are planning to change the front in january when we're back in the UK regardless of thread due to them not being all season. Our plan was to go with all season/winter tyres, having found them a requirement in Scandinavia this autumn, and needing to head the Czech rep in the spring, though the Italian thing is a pain. I expect we will go with all season C tyres as we are full time wilding round europe so rarely stay still for more than 72 hours.

However, my question is as follows, front axle is 2000kg, and currently has Atlas greenvan 225/65R16C 112/116S 8PRLT on it. Though the max load figure is over 1000kg
The rear is twin or tag axle (two wheels one in front of the other), 1500kg per axle, and currently has MERKEP II 235/65R16C 10PR 121/119 T M+S On it.
So, the front has thiner tyres for a greater load, (though they oddly look smaller), does that sound right to anyone, or should we have the same size tyres on the front and the back? In which case do we need new front wheels or can wider tyres be fitted to the existing wheels?

Finally, what tyres should we get??...........joking.

 

[HandyAndy]

If the tyres are rated over the vehicle axle load rating, you have nothing to worry about really.
I would only change them on a manufacturer date or wear limit basis.
The only difference is a wider safety margin on the rear by the looks of it but either way it "conforms to spec" so to speak, even if it isn't the exact sized tyre it came with from the factory.
The only difference it'll make is a discrepancy in the speedo.
If it's supposed to have 235's on then it'll be 1.8% further out than it was already.... and they always are.

225 x 65 will have a sidewall height of 147mm
235 x 65 will have a sidewall height of 152mm
So they look smaller because they are
The 65 is a percentage of the width.

 

[gus-lopez]

does that sound right to anyone, or should we have the same size tyres on the front and the back? In which case do we need new front wheels or can wider tyres be fitted to the existing wheels?

if it is UK registered you can do what you like in reality .If registered in some other EU countries like spain then tyre size is specified on the log book along with any additional size allowed.

 

[JockandRita]

Em and Tim, our 99 Hymer tandem axle MH, on the same/similar ALKO chassis as your Euromobi,l was fitted with 215/75 x 16 C Goodyear Cargo commercial tyres I have tried 225/75 x 16 C on the front drive wheels, and found occasionally that on full lock, the edge of the tyre would catch slightly on the inner wheel arch liner. I have since returned to the original spec, and to winter tyres on the front again.
If I was to change all six, I'd go for the same make (Falken or Bridgestone), but all season with the 3PMSF markings.

If I had wider tyres on the rear axles, I'd struggle to get the wheels off, and free of the aluminium skirt. It's tight as it is with 215/75s.

Cheers,

Jock.

 

[joka250]

Going back to the "requirement " to fit CP marked tyres in Italy I would suggest a significant number of motorho mes fit tyres that aren't available as CP marked. Where does this leave those owners.

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[davida71uk]

We are also looking to replace the tyres on our 2011 Auto Trail Savannah. Continentals on at present.

Like the look of the Falken Euroall Season Van11. Pretty good price. Rated at 118/116 p. Euro ratins - Fuel C, Wet A and Noise 71. Also stamped on tyre with Tri peak and snowflake. Anyone had any experience with these tyres?

What did you decide on Stumpy 1 ? Did these work out?

 

[JockandRita]

What did you decide on Stumpy 1 ? Did these work out?

I can't speak for Stumpy 1, but we are using them and are happy with them so far, albeit with no use as yet in winter conditions. The previous owner who drove the MH with the new Falkens fitted on our behalf before we collected it, was pleasantly surprised by the ride quality of them, over the Continentals they replaced.

Cheers,

Jock.

 

[davida71uk]

I can't speak for Stumpy 1, but we are using them and are happy with them so far, albeit with no use as yet in winter conditions. The previous owner who drove the MH with the new Falkens fitted on our behalf before we collected it, was pleasantly surprised by the ride quality of them, over the Continentals they replaced.

Cheers,

Jock.

I am intrigued by them, I had a good 'tyres' trawl on MHF today, so many tales and preferences. I'm really looking for that extra grunt in mud and wet grass as the current Vanco Campers seem to have very little bite, even on wet grass.

 

[Vinceledge]

I too have found the fitted Continental CP tyres on our van are pretty useless for grip on anything apart from dry tarmac. As we do festivals and occasional off grid trips and also have a steep gravel drive to our house it would be good to hear of any MH tyres with much better grip!

 

[JockandRita]

I too have found the fitted Continental CP tyres on our van are pretty useless for grip on anything apart from dry tarmac. As we do festivals and occasional off grid trips and also have a steep gravel drive to our house it would be good to hear of any MH tyres with much better grip!

You only have to read back through the various post, ie, you don't necessarily have to fit Motorhome specific Camper (CP) tyres, and more often than not, winter tyres or all season tyres with the correct load rating for your MH, ( which would be ideal for your festival terrain manoeuvres), are usually not available as CP tyres.
Two MHs in 16 x years, and both have had Commercial van tyres fitted, rather than CP.

Cheers,

Jock.

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[Vinceledge]

Cheers and yes I had realised that , what meant was has anyone fitted tyres on their MH that had actually much better grip than the standard ones on grass and maybe the wet?

 

[JockandRita]

Cheers and yes I had realised that , what meant was has anyone fitted tyres on their MH that had actually much better grip than the standard ones on grass and maybe the wet?

Yes, I have Vince, using "All Season" or "Winter" tyres, especially on our FWD Fiat based Hymer, which I have applied also to our RWD Iveco based Flair.

Cheers,

Jock.

 

[Vinceledge]

I was considering those, especially as ours is FWD.

 

[JockandRita]

I was considering those, especially as ours is FWD.

I was really impressed with the results, especially on a winter rally when we woke up to snow and drifts all around. The FWD Hymer pulled herself out and up a snow and slush covered ramp, on to the main road...........whilst others struggled to move at all.

Cheers,

Jock.

 

[Vinceledge]

Got to be better than the original fit tyres the grip is pretty poor!

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[davida71uk]

I wonder if we also had the inflation correct in the first few weeks of ownership. Door post (80psi = van tyres) CP tyre sidewall (max 69 psi) and I think I started at the former. Beginner error. Need the sidewall shoulders to dig in.