LPG professional (?) selling pumps to take LPG from bottles to your car tank?

[timetochill]

Was this the guy who converts cars to lpg? so they would use more you would think

 

[cyberyacht]

Something wrong with your maths, compared to Calor bottles I save over £455 a year compared to 13kg Calor bottles or £650 per year compared to 6kg Calor bottles. That is based on Calors RRP but most suppliers charge more.

I wasn't talking about your kit but this dodgy transfer system that was being touted. I know your setup is cost-effective. I only dragged your LPG consumption in as an example.

 

[MichaelT]

And you have to have the original hire contract.

No you don't I took 2 back to calor with no contract

 

[Jimbohorlicks]

No you don't I took 2 back to calor with no contract

But did you get any money back or just a thank you?

 

[Jimbohorlicks]

Something wrong with your maths, compared to Calor bottles I save over £455 a year compared to 13kg Calor bottles or £650 per year compared to 6kg Calor bottles. That is based on Calors RRP but most suppliers charge more.

But it's not just the saving. It's a lot more convenient not having to disconnect bottles and lug them around to get a replacement and then lug them back into the gas locker. Secure them in place and test the connections. Etc etc.

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[MichaelT]

But did you get any money back or just a thank you?

Money back.

 

[Jabstatt]

Err ................1 question how can bottles be cheaper than from a LPG pump

Because we live in Rip off Britain, maybe!

Tony

 

[MichaelT]

Because we live in Rip off Britain, maybe!

Tony

You don't have to if it's that bad and the grass is greener elsewhere

 

[Fragle]

I can't believe that people think this is a legal way of dealing with LPG

But reading through some posts just goes to prove Evolution is not for everyone

 

[chaser]

I can't believe that people think this is a legal way of dealing with LPG

But reading through some posts just goes to prove Evolution is not for everyone

I just can't see why they would mess about for what little they are going to save, if anything.

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[Basildog]

I thought it was time to respond as noticed my name has unfortunately been mentioned
This kit has been discussed by quite a few of the most respected and experienced people in the industry, I think you can all guess their opinions
Any business has a responsibility to it’s customers and let’s say neither ourselves or several other businesses would either supply this kit or even the components to assist in it’s manufacture.
We regularly refuse to sell products that we believe are going to be incorrectly used .
Here’s the EBay listing for this product, I don’t think it takes a Health and Safety expert to spot some serious problems

Pardon our interruption...

 

[Northernraider]

You don't need the pump. Invert the calor bottle, pour warm water on it and the liquid will migrate to the colder tank, you can see it moving if you have a sight glass fitted but also the pipes tremble as it flows. The vehicle could get over filled though if the 80% rule applies.

I've never done it with LPG but refrigerant is exactly the same, pressures are a bit higher but it's essentially it's the same stuff.

And how its done in Morocco I believe.
Will find out in a few months because my 2 11kg bottles won't last me 2 months over there so will need to buy a local bottle

 

[Clive Mott]

Very very dodgy, dangerous and incorrect information. Calor Gas bottled LPG is typically twice the price of LPG at the pumps.
DONT DO THIS AT HOME.

 

[MichaelT]

Very very dodgy, dangerous and incorrect information. Calor Gas bottled LPG is typically twice the price of LPG at the pumps.
DONT DO THIS AT HOME.

See posts above, 47kg bottle is cheaper per litre!

 

[Basildog]

And how its done in Morocco I believe.
Will find out in a few months because my 2 11kg bottles won't last me 2 months over there so will need to buy a local bottle

Just because something is commonly done it seems to make people think it’s acceptable ?
Nothing more annoying than the customer that insists what they are doing is perfectly safe and they have been doing it for 30 years
Having seen some of the gas fittings / hoses supplied / cobbled together in Morocco it’s not good
Even most of the UK supplied fittings / hoses etc don’t comply with the regulations for using an external gas cylinder.

Butane Gas Cylinders Still Wreaking Havoc in Morocco

Rabat - The Ministries of the Interior and Energy, Mines, Water and Environment warn of the dangers associated with the misuse of butane gas cylinders.

www.moroccoworldnews.com

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[vambo]

I apologise this is a Facebook link but I am most interested to hear what Funster has professionals have to say?

Good practice or another dodgy device ?

Filling in this way should be avoided. We are talking liquid getting transferred over and should a liquid leak ever happen that liquid would expand approx 250 times its volume into vapour . That vapour once diluted with the surrounding air once the right concentration will readily ignite given the right source.Might not be in your immediate vicinity . Please avoid

 

[Northernraider]

Just because something is commonly done it seems to make people think it’s acceptable ?
Nothing more annoying than the customer that insists what they are doing is perfectly safe and they have been doing it for 30 years
Having seen some of the gas fittings / hoses supplied / cobbled together in Morocco it’s not good
Even most of the UK supplied fittings / hoses etc don’t comply with the regulations for using an external gas cylinder.

Butane Gas Cylinders Still Wreaking Havoc in Morocco

Rabat - The Ministries of the Interior and Energy, Mines, Water and Environment warn of the dangers associated with the misuse of butane gas cylinders.

www.moroccoworldnews.com

But that's how they live and do it and it works fine.

Therefore it is acceptable in their country , building sites in Spain and many other countries don't have the Same health and safety as the UK either which again is absolutely fine.

I have the proper hose that attaches to my lpg filling point and connects to a local morrocan bottle.

 

[PaulW2]

But that's how they live and do it and it works fine.

Therefore it is acceptable in their country , building sites in Spain and many other countries don't have the Same health and safety as the UK either which again is absolutely fine.

I have the proper hose that attaches to my lpg filling point and connects to a local morrocan bottle.

There is a point there.

My last full time job was in a multinational manufacturing concern. As it was FTSE-listed health and safety was a big item. And across countries people sometimes behaved quite differently and having a standard approach was initially difficult. So in country X the injury rate (and sometimes death rate) may be much higher than the norm, but still subjectively low unless you look at stats. So 4 in a thousand were disabled when if we had adhered to proper protocol only 1 would have been?

Does this matter much? To the company and its management and shareholders yes, to the three injured and their families yes of course. But to everyone else?

It partly depends not only on behaviour but on the infrastructure investment. Is the technology and the distribution network available to do it the safer way? What investment will this take?

But the cultural differences, and our instinct to lecture the locals, sometimes run deep. We need look no further than the treatment of animals. When we encounter cultures where animals are not treated with the care and even deference we lavish on them we go ballistic. Because we are just 'right'. And we need to 'educate' them. The locals just shrug. But don't you also eat animals and make shoes out of their skins?

 

[McLouis]

I apologise this is a Facebook link but I am most interested to hear what Funster has professionals have to say?

Good practice or another dodgy device ?

And the point of this is?
If one neglect the safety issue, I could see the point of doing it the other way round

 

[Tony50]

I have checked numerous websites including Calor Gas website, all day Gas bottles should be stored / used in upright position, it's dangerous to lay them down.
The only bottles that can be used laying down are those designed for Forklifts from my memory.
"Risk it and you could be cooked like a biscuit"

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[Northernraider]

There is a point there.

My last full time job was in a multinational manufacturing concern. As it was FTSE-listed health and safety was a big item. And across countries people sometimes behaved quite differently and having a standard approach was initially difficult. So in country X the injury rate (and sometimes death rate) may be much higher than the norm, but still subjectively low unless you look at stats. So 4 in a thousand were disabled when if we had adhered to proper protocol only 1 would have been?

Does this matter much? To the company and its management and shareholders yes, to the three injured and their families yes of course. But to everyone else?

It partly depends not only on behaviour but on the infrastructure investment. Is the technology and the distribution network available to do it the safer way? What investment will this take?

But the cultural differences, and our instinct to lecture the locals, sometimes run deep. We need look no further than the treatment of animals. When we encounter cultures where animals are not treated with the care and even deference we lavish on them we go ballistic. Because we are just 'right'. And we need to 'educate' them. The locals just shrug. But don't you also eat animals and make shoes out of their skins?

Yep exactly the same principle as religion

 

[Rozzer]

Can’t see a case for this unless you live somewhere remote and use Calor bottles. Not so worried about saving a few bob, more relevant is that with Gasit or similar you can refill abroad which you can’t with Calor.

 

[enark]

Now wheres my fags!

BOOM…..

 

[enark]

But that's how they live and do it and it works fine.

Therefore it is acceptable in their country , building sites in Spain and many other countries don't have the Same health and safety as the UK either which again is absolutely fine.

I have the proper hose that attaches to my lpg filling point and connects to a local morrocan bottle.

And the work related death rate in Spain is? (Quick google suggests 70 construction deaths in first six months of 2024)

49 killed in UK construction industry in 2022/23

Wonder how many will die building Saudis new footy staduims? Qatar was estimated 6000 deaths.

London 2012 Olympic build death - 0(zero)

 

[vambo]

In the full add it says to get all gas the bottle needs to be inverted. Not something I’d chance doing at all, in any way or form but I’m no expert.

If you turn the bottle upside down the off take valve is in the liquid phase. And yes you may be lucky but several people aren’t. Having attended many incidents related to escapes and indeed the aftermath of ignition
. It isn’t worth the risk.

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[Basildog]

If you turn the bottle upside down the off take valve is in the liquid phase. And yes you may be lucky but several people aren’t. Having attended many incidents related to escapes and indeed the aftermath of ignition
. It isn’t worth the risk.

Here’s a picture from his eBay advert .

 

[Northernraider]

And the work related death rate in Spain is? (Quick google suggests 70 construction deaths in first six months of 2024)

49 killed in UK construction industry in 2022/23

Wonder how many will die building Saudis new footy staduims? Qatar was estimated 6000 deaths.

London 2012 Olympic build death - 0(zero)

Not mine or even a UK problem though what happens in Spain....or Morocco

 

[jockaneezer]

I think fork lift bottles have a dip tube in them as they use the liquid and not the vapour like our vans use and the bottle, although on it's side, has to be orientated in a specific way (usually an arrow on the bottle) ?

 

[Dall]

Here’s a picture from his eBay advert .View attachment 989494

The petroleum industry would classify this activity as highly dangerous, due to the area being a Zone1 hazardous area. (A zone where a flammable atmosphere may exist as part of the operation, in this case the gas transfer). Everything on this photo is available to make the fire triangle, - fuel, Oxygen and a souce of ignition from making or breaking the connection of the clips on the battery. And people think that this process is safe and acceptable!

 

[Northernraider]

The petroleum industry would classify this activity as highly dangerous, due to the area being a Zone1 hazardous area. (A zone where a flammable atmosphere may exist as part of the operation, in this case the gas transfer). Everything on this photo is available to make the fire triangle, - fuel, Oxygen and a souce of ignition from making or breaking the connection of the clips on the battery. And people think that this process is safe and acceptable!

I think what most people actually think is the percentage probability of something happening. Which in truth is probably extremely low.

If back when cavemen and dinosaurs inhabited the earth and no one took any risks we'd still be cavemen.


Unpopular view but people who have misadventure on their death certificates had way way more fun in life than those with natural causes lol.


No interest in buying a pump though , gravity seems to do the job if the bottle is placed upside down .

I've seen photos

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