Lost!! car keys.

[Minxy]

My android phone has a facility to record calls already ... I only found out as I accidentally hit the button with my ear and then found there was a recorded message lurking ... I'll tell you something though which was a surprise, I didn't realise how strong my Hull accent is ... it doesn't sound like me at all!

 

[Sunnyb]

I use 'call recorder ' by appliquato ( I think) works well ,automatic & free ,although professional version is dear by all accounts.

this one.

I agree that recording calls is good evidence and is probably enough to make the other party roll over on most disputes. However is it the case that if you had to go as far as taking them to court, you would have to have disclosed that you were recording the call at the time. The ‘big boys’ do it - we are all used to the message ‘calls may be recorded’ when we speak to insurers etc on the phone.

 

[MisterB]

have you tried a non specific key cutter? i had one done at tesco and they programmed the fob and everything - cost around £80 but a lot cheaper than the main dealer £420 quote?

 

[Odd-no-more]

My daughter had her car stolen, the insurance would not pay out until she returned both keys. So my advice would be get a new key and have the missing key deleted

 

[Kev and Ju]

Annoyingly, your keys are there they just haven't looked properly and one day someone will open a draw and say, "Whos are these jag keys?". Everyone will look blank and they'll be binned. How frustrating!! I used to work for a large JLR dealership and although they tried to be organised they had literally buckets of vehicle keys all over the place. It was chaos so no wonder your keys were lost.

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[TUCANO]

My daughter had her car stolen, the insurance would not pay out until she returned both keys. So my advice would be get a new key and have the missing key deleted

My next question will have to be, how do I get the missing key deleted ?

 

[The Wino]

have you tried a non specific key cutter? i had one done at tesco and they programmed the fob and everything - cost around £80 but a lot cheaper than the main dealer £420 quote?

I tried to do that at a branch of Timpsons they had several goes at it and at one point managed to get the odometer reading wiped off the display!!!!! in the end they gave up despite the car (skoda) being on the list of the ones they said they could do.

 

[tonyidle]

CCan you recommend one Tony ? All the ones I have found so far are pretty expensive

Up to yesterday I would have recommended the one I use but when I looked at it as a result of your asking it has changed. It is now useless because of a change in Googles conditions. It now simply shows a call happened at a certain time but doesn't show the name (or even the number) of the other party. Given that it was something that simply sat in the background doing its job until needed means that there would be 100 calls to look back through for the one you might want to listen to. Now there's no way to find a particular call.

So to answer your question: No - at the moment I don't have one to recommend and I'm on the hunt for one myself.

 

[The Wino]

Up to yesterday I would have recommended the one I use but when I looked at it as a result of your asking it has changed. It is now useless because of a change in Googles conditions. It now simply shows a call happened at a certain time but doesn't show the name (or even the number) of the other party. Given that it was something that simply sat in the background doing its job until needed means that there would be 100 calls to look back through for the one you might want to listen to. Now there's no way to find a particular call.

So to answer your question: No - at the moment I don't have one to recommend and I'm on the hunt for one myself.

Maybe easier when dealing with something important to send a confirmatory e-mail but easy to say with hindsight!

 

[Emmit]

As leverage, is it possible that you could produce phone call records.

Why would you have rung them on the day you delivered the 'van other than to check on the whereabouts of the keys, and then, later on for the same reason.

Prince Andrew's comment in his recent interview, "I have no recollection" sounded stupid, The dealers similar remembrance would also be equally ridiculous.

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[Deneb]

My next question will have to be, how do I get the missing key deleted ?

A Jaguar dealer can do it through diagnostic software. It's part of the same process as programming a new key. An auto locksmith with specific kit for Jaguars may be able to do it, but one who is just cloning your remaining key to make a second key almost certainly won't.

Something to consider which might affect where you go to get a replacement key, as it will almost certainly be included in the new key coding process at a Jaguar dealer. Places such as Timpsons who offer cheap keys usually just produce an exact copy of your existing key, which works because your existing key is already programmed to the car and it can't tell the new key from the original.

Your two original keys would have been separately and uniquely identifiable to the car, so you can delete the missing one without affecting the other.

 

[sonny]

Have you tried any other jaguar dealers

 

[TUCANO]

Not at the moment, hoping the van dealer will find the 'lost' one first ?

 

[GWAYGWAY]

your key is in the bottom of a drawer in the service dept office, they just cannot be bothered to look. Any company that took that long for a repair cannot be up to much, and I would not have left their entrance until they 'found ' the missing key. Why WAS IT NOT LEFT IN THE GLOVEBOX?
I would look in the van as it might be tucked up all safe and sound for safekeeping in the van somewhere.

 

[TUCANO]

Checked the glovebox and also checked their key safe, without them knowing

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[Graham of Madrid]

For some time the keys on premium marques have transponders integral to the key as part of the immobilising function buried in the cars electronics. This and the key can ONLY be ordered from the dealer and is supplied by the manufacturer.

Anything that Timson or any auto-locksmith can provide is not authorised by the manufacturer and is not to be trusted, certainly on a premium brands where any of their hacks can be expensive to correct.

You will be in deep water if you lose your only key, it will cost you a lot of inconvenience and money, you have to get another.

 

[Deneb]

For some time the keys on premium marques have transponders integral to the key as part of the immobilising function buried in the cars electronics. This and the key can ONLY be ordered from the dealer and is supplied by the manufacturer.

Anything that Timson or any auto-locksmith can provide is not authorised by the manufacturer and is not to be trusted, certainly on a premium brands where any of their hacks can be expensive to correct.

You will be in deep water if you lose your only key, it will cost you a lot of inconvenience and money, you have to get another.

Sorry, that's not correct. I don't know of any modern cars, premium or otherwise, that don't have transponder keys. Ford and Sevel vans all use transponder keys. Are you saying that they are premium marques for builder's vans?

And many professional auto-locksmiths have access to vehicle manufacturer's information and the equipment to code keys correctly. I used to use them professionally. They can for instance, send a VIN to Volkswagen, receive the required information to enable a new key to be cut on a computer controlled machine and teach it to the car with equipment that uses the correct manufacturer's routines.

They have the correct transponders, key blades and often the cases as well. Transponders can be bulk purchased from the manufacturer's. There are not that many different types and they are common across many makes and models.

Of course it depends on finding the right locksmith as some are better than others and not all will be capable of dealing with all makes of vehicles. There are also some makes for which the main dealer or an authorised specialist are the only viable options because of the way that the vehicle manufacturer has their key security tied down. Don't think that premium makes are the most secure though, because often they are not.

I agree that many of the cheaper shops are only cloning an existing key, but apart from the obvious restrictions of having two absolutely identical keys, what hacks will be very expensive to correct? Absolutely no programming has been done to the car and nothing has been changed apart from there being two keys that the car cannot differentiate between.

 

[Kirsten]

So sorry to hear about this- this type of thing makes my blood boil. Stick to your guns and INSIST -in writing- that they find the key or recompense you fully; and via several phone calls a week ask if the issue has been sorted. Write to the manager; describe the keys [and key ring] explain that you were assured the keys were safe and could be collected. We had a replacement key cut as we had lost one for our car- it opens the door but wont start the engine [handy if you are in habit of locking self out; so insist on being recompensed for full cost of replacement if they cant find it.

If all els fails get a near-to- garage Funster to sit outside with a plakard

 

[Graham of Madrid]

Well Deneb, I wasn't saying only premium brands have transponder chips but I'd trust the security of a premium brand over that of any other and would be less inclined to engage any aftermarket/secondary suppler of anything security related especially for a premium brand.

I'm not getting a debate with you matey I'm glad there's an expert out there TO HELP. What you SHOULD be doing is advising the OP to get another key before his one-and-only key takes a walk, as they frequently do.

 

[two]

I have lost one of my keys. I blame myself for it. I won't be getting another.

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[scotzsue]

can't understand why they couldn't post them out to you. I left my home and car keys in the van when it was having some service work done. Phoned dealer told them where they were and described the keyfob arrived special delivery within 24 hours.

 

[Deneb]

Well Deneb, I wasn't saying only premium brands have transponder chips but I'd trust the security of a premium brand over that of any other and would be less inclined to engage any aftermarket/secondary suppler of anything security related especially for a premium brand.

Some premium brands have some of the worst key security and their are gaping holes in the security of many vehicles with keyless start, which is more prevalent on "premium" brands, but they continue to fit it because customers think it's sexy and they can't sell as many cars without it. One particular brand suffered the theft of every single vehicle registered to addresses in a particular London borough over a 12 month period not all that long ago. Another manufacturer introduced a high security option but couldn't sell it because customers didn't want the risk of associated cost implications that followed on from losing or wishing to add additional keys (a lot more than the OP has been quoted by Jaguar).

I'm not getting a debate with you matey I'm glad there's an expert out there TO HELP. What you SHOULD be doing is advising the OP to get another key before his one-and-only key takes a walk, as they frequently do.

I've already explained that and advised him to get the lost key deleted from the car ASAP, but it's his decision of course

 

[Graham of Madrid]

The OP's options are simpler and cheaper if he deals with them NOW (or bury his head in the sand) rather than waiting until he loses his one-and-only key. Then he's at the mercy of whatever 'professional expert' can provide (god help him) or a low-loader trip to the Jaguar stealership (expensive). This is something a potential buyer will consider if only offered 1 key (sale price)

I've got a 20 year old BMW E46 and I know Timson and the likes would only be able to get me in the drivers door and not start the ignition.

We don't know anything about the OP's Jaguar, is it an older X300 or what. Sometimes the older security systems are better than the new ones.

 

[Yorick]

 

[Lanerboy]

TUCANO
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[Minxy]

IMV any 'professional' key cutting place will need to have the vehicle in their presence in order to ensure the new key works correctly, anyone offering to do it 'via post' wouldn't get my business.

 

[tonyidle]

IMV any 'professional' key cutting place will need to have the vehicle in their presence in order to ensure the new key works correctly, anyone offering to do it 'via post' wouldn't get my business.

I don't think many professionals would leave their premises, walk to the nearest car park, then watch whilst the customer tries the key. It would, however, be better if the customer was near enough to take a faulty key back to have it corrected rather than dealing by post. I suspect though that keys cut by a vehicle key specialist would be unlikely to be faulty.

 

[PeteH]

Lost Keys!!!!. Grrrrrrr!!!. Bane of my life, I put them down and they walk away the minute I take the eyes off them.!!. I am convinced, Keys have a life of their own.! AND. Vehicles that "Self Lock". Locked myself out of the Rapido twice so far!!. First time BOTH sets where in the vehicle and it cost a new window latch (Complete) at £56. I now have a "dumb" key on my "other" house key set. Which gets me in if it happens again, via the hab door. I recently bought a "gismo" (couple of quid) which can be "wakened up" via blue tooth from the i-phone, to indicate where they are. Got to see if it works now.

 

[Barclaybasher]

My youngest recently purchased a Toyota Celica with a single key. Had the key copied and used the copy keeping the original at home. I get a phone call he was across town, car turns over but won't start. Eventually I sugested he go home and fetch the original key - car started straight off. His next journey would have been a hundred miles or more.....

 

[Deneb]

I don't think many professionals would leave their premises, walk to the nearest car park, then watch whilst the customer tries the key. It would, however, be better if the customer was near enough to take a faulty key back to have it corrected rather than dealing by post. I suspect though that keys cut by a vehicle key specialist would be unlikely to be faulty.

That would only work on a modern car if your getting a clone of an existing key. If you want a new (unique) key, it can't be done without programming the car.

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