Local business man fined after reporting illegal immigrants who had broke into his campervan

[stuartholmes]

As you say, I certainly would not abandon the wife I love and my 4 young children and go hundreds of miles further than I had to.
I would stop in the nearest safe country and try and get them released to join me.

The cynic in me, realises it's a nice emotive story though, which helps him (and possibly 5 more people to enter this country)

Ironic when, on the BBC 4 programme at 11.45 on Thursday, it reported that in Russia there are colleges teaching young people to become bloggers, floggers, infiltrators and computer people the arts of reporting and issuing false and subversive information to disrupt the Western World.
Perhaps, these people are part of this Russian education programme?

There is definitely not enough being done (that the public know about) to counter these & other threats from Russia, which has already done more harm to this country and western democracy than all the boat people put together.
(imho!)

 

[David and Sally]

So the first of those is simply people being steered here out of greed by the trafficker. The second... A politician, prabably wanting to offload a perceieved problem, and entitled to hold an opinion. I expect the mayor of Timbuctoo would say the same! The first comes as no surprise. The second personally I would give no credence too whatsoever. Still don't think either answers the question as to why som many want to come here? By the time they are in the camp on the French coast they have already decided to come here so someone working there is a little late to the party.

Basically you are saying that two people who are involved in the matter are wrong and you dismiss their thoughts. I would have thought that their experiences are more valid that yours.

The message must be getting through loud and clear to the settlements in Africa or elsewhere that the trip is worth it. Get to UK and you will get everything you need for free and later I can apply to have you all join me at the trough.

 

[Spriddler]

By the time they are in the camp on the French coast they have already decided to come here so someone working there is a little late to the party.

The camp volunteer said that they all have mobile phones when still in their own country and representatives of the traffickers promote the U.K. to them well before they decide to leave 'home' (and no doubt collect most of the payment there in advance).
It's a highly sophisticated and organised business.

 

[meanders]

Basically you are saying that two people who are involved in the matter are wrong and you dismiss their thoughts. I would have thought that their experiences are more valid that yours.

You make a valid point. However, as I pointed out, by the time they are in the camps they have made up their minds as to their destination.

As for politicians of any colour, flavour or country, I have said many times here that I don't trust any of them to be straightforward and truthful. That applies equally to all our politicians.

 

[David and Sally]

You make a valid point. However, as I pointed out, by the time they are in the camps they have made up their minds as to their destination.

As for politicians of any colour, flavour or country, I have said many times here that I don't trust any of them to be straightforward and truthful. That applies equally to all our politicians.

They have decided their destination way before they leave home. Their families and mates have already made it here and are telling them how welcoming we are.
This country is just one big mug

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[Spriddler]

They have decided their destination way before they leave home. Their families and mates have already made it here and are telling them how welcoming we are.

And they have the internet and U.K. TV and radio broadcasts so are as well informed as we are about our policies. I guess some still at home will have known the Rwanda decision before I did.

 

[L' Hobo]

They have decided their destination way before they leave home. Their families and mates have already made it here and are telling them how welcoming we are.
This country is just one big mug

I'm old enough to remember when the destination always used to be America & Australia.

What changed, changes to their benefits system and stricter entry criteria.

Even though I was born in Australia and have dual Nationality, I was told a couple of years ago that, as I had returned there in the early 70's but had only stayed, worked and paid Australian tax for 3+ yrs, I could retire there BUT I would have to have sufficient savings & income to cover comprehensive medical and all living expenses.
I could NOT be a drain on the Australian Government coffers.

I asked amusedly, what would happen if I came in came in illegally?
The reply was, I hope you enjoy island life as your abode would be on one about 2 days sail away!

 

[Two of usI]

If I read it correctly, the intruders entered van once on ferry...
So, if correct, the question must be how did they get on board?

I came back Cherbourg to Pompey last week, I got up to my cabin and realised I had not turned off the gas, so, went back...... on the car deck there was not a soul about, ramps still down... any of them could have come on board within the few minutes before we lifted the ramps and sailed !!!

 

[bladerunner]

America - but works for UK.

One question for those who are not against illegal immigration - "How many is too much?"

 

[dunnah01]

America - but works for UK.

One question for those who are not against illegal immigration - "How many is too much?"

Not seen any posts by anyone not against illegal immigration?

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[DandJ]

Is there any concrete evidence at all that the security risk has increased? Or has the media and some politicians created the mindset in many of us? I don't know the answers to my own questions and if https://www.ons.gov.uk/aboutus/tran...immigrantsandasylumseekersinthelastthreeyears is correct, nor do the government.

We just need to be careful that these people are not falsely blamed. The question we need to be asking is why that data is not being captured.

It depends on what you are classing as security risk...if it is simply the bikini state for terrorism...possibly not...until they discover the real identity of someone...if, for security you lump all crime in...well the albanians who arrived in droves about 18-24 moths ago now control alot of the very violent drugs trade...which directly affect many people day in day out. Of course, depending which side of the media you read/listen to...there are dozens of Doctors, architects, engineers etcs in and amongst the tens of thousands of illegal migrants.....
I tend to think that there will inevitably be some qualified people, most of thos arriving will not be bad people but a small proportion will be bad....and if that is only 5%....that could be 7500-10,000 people.

 

[bladerunner]

Not seen any posts by anyone not against illegal immigration?

Didn't say they were "speaking" on MH fun ;-)

 

[the darkside]

When I used to do european work,I always had CS gas in my locker and other measures to deal with the rubbish and filth that would try and access my trailer either in or under, harsh treatment to any unwelcome hanger on, never stopped overnight within striking distance of dunkirk or Calais, I have no sympathy for the migrants, many will object to my views but having seen these savages and criminals trying to get to the uk I was not going to be fined for being a hardworking tax payer,just trying to do my job to earn a living.I’m glad I don’t do this anymore as a job.still enjoy touring Europe in a motorhome once away from the ports

 

[meanders]

"How many is too much?

There should be no immigrants arriving illegally.

The bigger picture is net migration. I don't have the answer to that one.

 

[DandJ]

There should be no immigrants arriving illegally.

The bigger picture is net migration. I don't have the answer to that one.

The bigger numbers is net migration.
If you had a house party and invited 50 or 60 family and friends...and there were 2 or 3 people also there who no one knew, would you want to know who they were and perhaps what they were doing there ? Etc

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[Grianan]

There should be no immigrants arriving illegally.

The bigger picture is net migration. I don't have the answer to that one.

I don’t know if this is true but I remember some peer saying the issue was that there was no possible legal migration route for these people and, if there were, it may help ease the crisis

 

[meanders]

I don’t know if this is true but I remember some peer saying the issue was that there was no possible legal migration route for these people and, if there were, it may help ease the crisis

That is a statement of fact, but I am unsure if providing such a facility will help solve the problem of sheer numbers wanting to arrive.

 

[Rapido925M]

BUT it should ensure that those arriving have the correct credentials to claim asylum! One of the big problems is that we have limited options for returning people who don’t qualify.

Gordon

 

[ChrisL]

Another motorhomer collared by border farce £6000 fine

Pensioner who found migrant hiding in trailer fined £6,000

Great-grandfather Peter Hughes, 75, from Droylsden, Tameside, was returning to the UK with his wife Anne, 78, when French officials found the Sudanese man at the Port of Calais.

www.dailymail.co.uk

 

[L' Hobo]

Another motorhomer collared by border farce £6000 fine

Pensioner who found migrant hiding in trailer fined £6,000

Great-grandfather Peter Hughes, 75, from Droylsden, Tameside, was returning to the UK with his wife Anne, 78, when French officials found the Sudanese man at the Port of Calais.

www.dailymail.co.uk

More contributions to the Treasury by a Pensioner.

Yet another easy target!

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[The Wino]

As the article says the good things is it warns others about the possibility of a fine if they don't check their vehicles. A much smaller fine though would have achieved the same result. Is it reasonable to expect people to check their own vehicles though thats a bigger question
I'm not sure whether his age has anything to do with it?

 

[Brains]

Bottom line is don't stop within 100 miles of the ports.

If you do stop close to the ports, then you need to go around your vehicle with a fine tooth comb.

Check every locker, check under bike covers, check trailers, check your roof and even check internally, lockers and bathroom.
Also check under duvets.

If you don't stop (including in heavy traffic) within 2hrs of the ports, they you are unlikely to have a problem.

 

[L' Hobo]

Bottom line is don't stop within 100 miles of the ports.

If you do stop close to the ports, then you need to go around your vehicle with a fine tooth comb.

Check every locker, check under bike covers, check trailers, check your roof and even check internally, lockers and bathroom.
Also check under duvets.

If you don't stop (including in heavy traffic) within 2hrs of the ports, they you are unlikely to have a problem.

Last time I was over, a group of people ran across the road with the intention to slow down the truck behind me, are you suggesting I run them over?

 

[DandJ]

Another motorhomer collared by border farce £6000 fine

I hate to think of the bill that Border Force have racked up with their daily trips to collect migrants, mid channel, and then take them to Dover. (1514 in the last 7 days...that's erm...£9 million ) It is laughable

 

[meanders]

The bit I don't get is that I thought to convict you had to show 'intent'. It seems this law changed that fundamental premise. I guess they call it a Civil Penalty, rather than a fine so that's OK then?

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[Brains]

Last time I was over, a group of people ran across the road with the intention to slow down the truck behind me, are you suggesting I run them over?

Only if you are a Reform voter!


If there is even the vaguest of possibilities that someone could have sneaked on board, then you stop at the entrance to the port and do a full check, including the roof and underneath.

I used to do a lot of work related travel to some very dodgy places in South America, Africa and the Far East.
My cases never were out of my sight, and before going through customs I'd check every pocket on the cases and clothing to make sure nothing had been slipped in.

Even to this day, I'm still paranoid about checking and checking again and again.
Anyone going through customs should be the same.

 

[meanders]

A few journeys back, I had thoroughly checked the van before arriving at Eurotunnel. Checked in and got sent to the pet area with two cats. On returning to the van, two lads were around the back. Had I been a minute or two longer in the pet check-in, that could have been me.

 

[L' Hobo]

Only if you are a Reform voter!


If there is even the vaguest of possibilities that someone could have sneaked on board, then you stop at the entrance to the port and do a full check, including the roof and underneath.

I used to do a lot of work related travel to some very dodgy places in South America, Africa and the Far East.
My cases never were out of my sight, and before going through customs I'd check every pocket on the cases and clothing to make sure nothing had been slipped in.

Even to this day, I'm still paranoid about checking and checking again and again.
Anyone going through customs should be the same.

I too have been in a few dodgy places but never had to worry about Customs, only the gaurd at the top of the gangway!

I'm still intrigued though, who one is supposed to enter a port with a trailor without stopping at traffic lights, junctions etc. for the last 100 miles in heavy traffic?

 

[Dorwyn]

The bit I don't get is that I thought to convict you had to show 'intent'. It seems this law changed that fundamental premise. I guess they call it a Civil Penalty, rather than a fine so that's OK then?

Where a Motorhome or traveller has reported to the authorities that he has an uninvited stowaway, that surely shows the intent to avoid importing the said stowaway.

 

[Brains]

I too have been in a few dodgy places but never had to worry about Customs, only the guard at the top of the gangway!

I'm still intrigued though, who one is supposed to enter a port with a trailer without stopping at traffic lights, junctions etc. for the last 100 miles in heavy traffic?

Calais, for example, is fast Motorway/dual carriageway to the port gate.
As is Dunkerque.

Hoek of Holland is not, hence I check, and check again.

As i said, even the vaguest possibility, you check and recheck.

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