LIFE AFTER HELGA !!!!

chaser said:
Is your shower electric or off the same circuit, if electric can you have that running into your bath as well that's what we do to fill ours quicker.
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no chas, it runs of the same plumbing! image.jpg
 
ianthebuilder said:
Right first hurdle to overcome!!

plumber has been, turned up valve under sink, not any noticeable difference! But he’s not legally allowed to do anything else!
removal of the valve/ thermostat would be the answer, so I’m going to speak to the housing and see if they would let me pay to have it taken out or bypassed! It’s all to do with a death of a child apparently, now all taps on bath are only set to around 46degrees,, no bloody good to me!

I don’t mind paying to remove, and I won’t mind paying to replace if I leave, but we shall see what they say! Stupid regulations, cold baths, and showers!!

will let you know how it goes! Xxxx.

on the other hand I could say nothing, get it taken out privately, and take a chance, but I shall speak to housing first! Xx
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I have had a word with Greta and she said it’s people like you coming home in the winter after working outside and having hot baths that are melting the ice cap . Haha. If you drive a diesel you have to have stone cold baths. Haha
 
Shrimp said:
Personally I would just do it & keep mum!
Remember it tho and re-instate when/if you move on.
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You have got to be very careful though when it's not your property. not very likely, I know but what if someone did come in and get burnt or something, you would be sent to hell.

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Silver-Fox said:
Take the bath panel off then the valve cover and see if you can wind it up ?

Obviously I’m not telling you to do it and all risk is down to you ??
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You can adjust them but only in the range 35C to 45C.
A plumber can fit a "shorting" loop of pipe but it would only be fair to put it back if you leave.
I never suggested doing this.
Phil
 
ianthebuilder said:
no chas, it runs of the same plumbing! View attachment 356256
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I think Ian's is not one of these, see below, which has two hot water feeds, one to the shower ( will be very hot and can be used to fill the bath with hot water) and another which feeds the bath tap is limited to 45C.
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In Ian's case, a thermostatic valve will have been fitted like this one.
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The hot water passes straight through from hot feed to bath tap, as the water temperature gets above the set point the valve opens and allows cold water to mix, hence keeping the temperature down to a safe level.
If one pops of the blue cap, see below, you can adjust the temperature set point by turning the adjustment valve using the outside of the blue cap, but only up to a safe level of 45C.
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However, as said, a plumber can fit a small shorting piece, a quick job, especially if there's Yorkshire tea on offer.
Phil
 
With a combination boiler, as others have said, you have to run the hot tap really slowly to get the water hot enough, as it’s heating it up as it goes through. In the winter we have to trickle it in to get it hot enough for Paul! Ok for the grandkids tho!
 
ianthebuilder said:
on the other hand I could say nothing, get it taken out privately, and take a chance, but I shall speak to housing first! Xx
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Tricky, because I'd assume they will say no, in order to cover themselves against any possible subsequent claims; and it may contravene current Building Regs also?

Ah, here you go: <Broken link removed>

So assuming they did say 'no', then you're a bit stymied.

If it were me, I might explore other options first...

Is there any way you can test if the bath water coming out of the tap is actually at 48c? Do you have a meter, or thermometer, that you could check it?

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Stonemags76 said:
With a combination boiler, as others have said, you have to run the hot tap really slowly to get the water hot enough, as it’s heating it up as it goes through. In the winter we have to trickle it in to get it hot enough for Paul! Ok for the grandkids tho!
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This is true to a point, it depends on the size of the boiler, we have just changed ours and fitted the biggest Vaillant Combi Boiler, fully open all taps deliver plenty of hot water, we have a large Bath Tub and that fills in 8 mins.
Obviously we don't have the thermostatic valves fitted in the system.
 
As a temporary fix you could boil the kettle a time or two and add that to the bath.
 
chaser said:
Yeah I know but it's what everyone had to do when I was a kid.
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my gran had a big pan in the kitchen for boiling water to do the washing and to fill the bath tub. 2 large handles on it to lift and pour
 
If the shower temp is not restricted before the shower mixer, but the bath hot tap is, then why not unscrew the shower head, turn shower mixer to max hot, and let the shower hose fill the bath up?
Or is that too simple,......or am I for that matter?:unsure:
LES
 
chaser said:
As a temporary fix you could boil the kettle a time or two and add that to the bath.
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I did that with 6 kettles the other night!
Now if I could get a fitting and a hose from my sink, that might work,, water is boiling in the sink!
 
Neighbour has just told me his is the same , bath water tepid, he’s not happy,, if everybody has the drama I’m hoping it will get sorted! Xx
 
I’m now in the range,, not impressed, but handy for a few bits! Lol

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TinaL said:
If the shower temp is not restricted before the shower mixer, but the bath hot tap is, then why not unscrew the shower head, turn shower mixer to max hot, and let the shower hose fill the bath up?
Or is that too simple,......or am I for that matter?:unsure:
LES
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shower comes from taps,, see previous pic les,, xx
 
ianthebuilder said:
shower comes from taps,, see previous pic les,, xx
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Doh! sorry mate, got your picture mixed up with the ex gasmans I think, ah well that idea is buggered.
Pipe cutters & push fit pipe fittings, remove therm in line valve, would be the only answer then, as others have said just leave the therm valve under the bath for future re-install if required.
Having said that, being a landlord for too many years, and seeing the condition our places have been handed back it probably wouldn't even be noticed in the great scheme of things as we are on our 3rd bathroom re-fit in 12 years.
Les
 
ianthebuilder said:
Right first hurdle to overcome!!

plumber has been, turned up valve under sink, not any noticeable difference! But he’s not legally allowed to do anything else!
removal of the valve/ thermostat would be the answer, so I’m going to speak to the housing and see if they would let me pay to have it taken out or bypassed! It’s all to do with a death of a child apparently, now all taps on bath are only set to around 46degrees,, no bloody good to me!

I don’t mind paying to remove, and I won’t mind paying to replace if I leave, but we shall see what they say! Stupid regulations, cold baths, and showers!!

will let you know how it goes! Xxxx.

on the other hand I could say nothing, get it taken out privately, and take a chance, but I shall speak to housing first! Xx
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It's better to beg forgiveness (if you get caught) than to ask permission.

HA will refuse you, they have to, pity I am not closer I would do it for you.
 
olley said:
It's better to beg forgiveness (if you get caught) than to ask permission.

HA will refuse you, they have to, pity I am not closer I would do it for you.
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Come on olley, isnt a £1 a week & copious amounts of freshly brewed tea enough for you?:rofl:
Les

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What a lot of great suggestions you have had boyo ! !
All you have to is squeeze your blow up bed/doll into the bath, boil a couple of kettles
of water which will now FILL the little amount of space left in the bath and jump in. ! !
Bloody doddle this problem solving lark innit. ! !
Glad you have landed in your pad, bout time you had some good luck mate.
We are wilding in Villa Joiosa Spain tonight, so we will have a sherbet or two in your honour.
Mitch and Jenny. xx
 
Stonemags76 said:
With a combination boiler, as others have said, you have to run the hot tap really slowly to get the water hot enough, as it’s heating it up as it goes through. In the winter we have to trickle it in to get it hot enough for Paul! Ok for the grandkids tho!
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I had a combi boiler in my previous house and the shower was fab..Red hot fast flow and lots of pressure...BUSBY.
 
Trouble with Combi Boilers is that unless a water a proper water softener is placed in line with the cold feed, the heat exchangers furr up restricting the flow, especially in hard water areas.
True story: we have a BG homecare contract on a flat we let out with a 10 year old Valliant Combi boiler, the hot flow to the bath was very, very slow, so BG engineer attended and fitted a new hot water heat exchanger FOC.
He then suggested fitting one of those wire loop electro magnetic gizmos (wire wrapped around cold feed supply pipe, which performs magic to the water passing through it) for £99 supplied & installed.
I said to him they are a total con, they dont work, they are total crap etc, etc......the BG engineer then smiled and said "Yea I know that, but if I fit one and the heat exchanger furrs up again, then we have to supply and fit a new one FOC at any time in the future"....So I smiled back and said Yea go on then fit it:LOL:
LES
 
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chaser said:
You have got to be very careful though when it's not your property. not very likely, I know but what if someone did come in and get burnt or something, you would be sent to hell.
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At 45 there's a greater risk of hypothermia, at 65 it's uncomfortably warm but harmless, at 70 it's spot on for warming a cooling-down bath :smiley:.

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