Leaving the UK during arrival self-isolating.

[Tony50]

For the sake of an mot on a van that is parked up I personally would not risk travelling anywhere, when this is over book the mot and drive straight to the mot testing station.

APart from our government, and some on here,the rest of us realised the daft sods who got together at Christmas would
spread the virus and a lockdown again would happen, why earth if someone has a Mot coming up, risk thinking they would be ok coming here, With a Mot coming up once we are out of lockdown drive here asap and go back to wherever, better still we don't want you here at present sorry but that's how I feel , we would like to travel to Europe now but we think that would be irresponsible

 

[nicholsong]

APart from our government, and some on here,the rest of us realised the daft sods who got together at Christmas would
spread the virus and a lockdown again would happen, why earth if someone has a Mot coming up, risk thinking they would be ok coming here, With a Mot coming up once we are out of lockdown drive here asap and go back to wherever, better still we don't want you here at present sorry but that's how I feel , we would like to travel to Europe now but we think that would be irresponsible

I do not want to travel to UK, nor do I want to be illegal for not having an MOT.

If DVSA felt the same as you do about my travelling to UK they would give me an extension, which would also make my trip through D/NL/B/F legal too, but they will not.
After lockdown the trip would be illegal and according to my insurers, at least the brokers, because regardless of my request to put the question to Underwriters the brokers have not done so yet, my MH will be uninsured including while park off the road. I will pursue the matter.

If you Tony50 will indemnify me against any costs of infringing any law and any uninsured losses that I may incur, I shall happily obey your wishes.

Please respond..

Geoff

 

[Tony50]

I do not want to travel to UK, nor do I want to be illegal for not having an MOT.

If DVSA felt the same as you do about my travelling to UK they would give me an extension, which would also make my trip through D/NL/B/F legal too, but they will not.
After lockdown the trip would be illegal and according to my insurers, at least the brokers, because regardless of my request to put the question to Underwriters the brokers have not done so yet, my MH will be uninsured including while park off the road. I will pursue the matter.

If you Tony50 will indemnify me against any costs of infringing any law and any uninsured losses that I may incur, I shall happily obey your wishes.

Please respond..

Geoff

You must be

 

[Paulypaul]

APart from our government, and some on here,the rest of us realised the daft sods who got together at Christmas would
spread the virus and a lockdown again would happen, why earth if someone has a Mot coming up, risk thinking they would be ok coming here, With a Mot coming up once we are out of lockdown drive here asap and go back to wherever, better still we don't want you here at present sorry but that's how I feel , we would like to travel to Europe now but we think that would be irresponsible

I think your response is somewhat blinkered. The virus was spreading seriously before Christmas due to mismanagement of every aspect to do with dealing with it in a timely manner.

I don't think people getting together, or "some on here" are to blame for lockdown 3.

I sympathise with the OP cause he is in a no win situation. I wonder whether you would be as sympathetic if he came over after lockdown as per your sentiments, and rear ended your car on the motorway?

I doubt you would congratulate him for being so morally upstanding by complying with rules during lockdown, when you are told he is uninsured because his motor hasn't got a ticket on it?

 

[pappajohn]

That would not comply with both 11 and 12 in my post - cannot go direct to isolation location and MOT at same time immediately after arrival.

Isolation is 1st priority.
MOT is 2nd priority but irrelevant as you are isolating.

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[Steve and Denise]

I do not want to travel to UK, nor do I want to be illegal for not having an MOT.

If DVSA felt the same as you do about my travelling to UK they would give me an extension, which would also make my trip through D/NL/B/F legal too, but they will not.
After lockdown the trip would be illegal and according to my insurers, at least the brokers, because regardless of my request to put the question to Underwriters the brokers have not done so yet, my MH will be uninsured including while park off the road. I will pursue the matter.

If you Tony50 will indemnify me against any costs of infringing any law and any uninsured losses that I may incur, I shall happily obey your wishes.

Please respond..

Geoff

Just a thought have you not already had 6 months extension?
We did but as soon as it was possible to get the Mot done safely I did even though we still had over four months extension remaining of the extension.

 

[Steve and Denise]

I think your response is somewhat blinkered. The virus was spreading seriously before Christmas due to mismanagement of every aspect to do with dealing with it in a timely manner.

I don't think people getting together, or "some on here" are to blame for lockdown 3.

I sympathise with the OP cause he is in a no win situation. I wonder whether you would be as sympathetic if he came over after lockdown as per your sentiments, and rear ended your car on the motorway?

I doubt you would congratulate him for being so morally upstanding by complying with rules during lockdown, when you are told he is uninsured because his motor hasn't got a ticket on it?

If the said vehicle is pre booked for an mot and has an accident on route to the testing station it would still be insured from my understanding.

 

[TheBig1]

The only legal and safe solution I can think of is have the motorhome transported to the UK on a low loader for the MOT and then travel to collect it after lockdown. As the motorhome can't be re-registered in Poland as right hand drive, I would sell it in the UK and buy a suitable replacement

 

[Trev45]

The only legal and safe solution I can think of is have the motorhome transported to the UK on a low loader for the MOT and then travel to collect it after lockdown. As the motorhome can't be re-registered in Poland as right hand drive, I would sell it in the UK and buy a suitable replacement

I often see LHD car transporter trucks around Peterborough with Polish number plates . They seem to be loaded with damaged UK registered Audis / Mercedes etc cars so I suspect they are destined for Poland . If you could locate one of those coming over to collect these cars you might be able to negotiate a reasonable price to transport your motorhome.

 

[nicholsong]

Just a thought have you not already had 6 months extension?
We did but as soon as it was possible to get the Mot done safely I did even though we still had over four months extension remaining of the extension.

There was a 6 month extension, but I had anticipated having the MH on Polish registration before it ran out. I have only recently found out that all the options for re-registering have been refused to me. I still believe that the Polish government interpretation of the 'Vehicle category' is wrong as 3 UK V5c and one French equivalent, of which I have copies give their MHs M1 category but the Poles say it is just 'Special' category. therefore it is not a passenger car, which could be registered even if RHD. I claim it is M1 (Special category) which is still M1b but all Polish MHs have just 'Special' as their category. I could try going to court but since the government have taken over the appointment of Judges, against EU ruling, I do not fancy my chances.

Geoff

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[nicholsong]

The only legal and safe solution I can think of is have the motorhome transported to the UK on a low loader for the MOT and then travel to collect it after lockdown. As the motorhome can't be re-registered in Poland as right hand drive, I would sell it in the UK and buy a suitable replacement

Importing the suitable replacement is a problem.

My MH was brought here as a personal possession and exempted from the 18.6% 'Excise Tax' but, despite being unable to re-register, the Polish Customs will not transfer that exemption to a replacement MH.

I am reluctant to reward the government with 18.6% for what is effectively an import tax in a customs free EU, solely because of their intransigence to accept a RHD MH, and to refuse to treat the replacement as my personal possession.

Geoff

 

[The Wino]

Importing the suitable replacement is a problem.

My MH was brought here as a personal possession and exempted from the 18.6% 'Excise Tax' but, despite being unable to re-register, the Polish Customs will not transfer that exemption to a replacement MH.

I am reluctant to reward the government with 18.6% for what is effectively an import tax in a customs free EU, solely because of their intransigence to accept a RHD MH, and to refuse to treat the replacement as my personal possession.

Geoff

But couldn't you buy lhd in another EU country and personally import it?

 

[Realist]

Transport it back on a low loader, mot it and sell it. But LHD and save the hassle

 

[Minxy]

But couldn't you buy lhd in another EU country and personally import it?

Transport it back on a low loader, mot it and sell it. But LHD and save the hassle

He'll still have to pay the import tax on the replacement as it's a 'one time only' exemption.

 

[Minxy]

nicholsong could a MH be imported in someone else's name as their 'personal possession' and thus exempt from tax, or is that just for non-Polish residents?

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[The Wino]

He'll still have to pay the import tax on the replacement as it's a 'one time only' exemption.

Don't really get that I would have presumed it was like importing into the uk when we were in the eu vat either in the country you bought in or ours?

 

[Langtoftlad]

He isn't going to achieve everything on his wishlist... nor avoid the associated costs.
Perhaps circumstances & bureaucracy is against him but he is where he is.
Transport this one back, get shot of & suck up the tax on a replacement.
Even he solves the MOT problem, it won't solve the local registration issue.

 

[Nasher]

He isn't going to achieve everything on his wishlist... nor avoid the associated costs.
Perhaps circumstances & bureaucracy is against him but he is where he is.
Transport this one back, get shot of & suck up the tax on a replacement.
Even he solves the MOT problem, it won't solve the local registration issue.

Well said that man!

I have resisted posting your all too obvious solution on this thread for a long time, as I was being polite.......

Note to self: don't be shy

 

[Langtoftlad]

Well said that man!

I have resisted posting your all too obvious solution on this thread for a long time, as I was being polite.......

Note to self: don't be shy

Its not that I'm not sympathetic to the OP's situation, some of which is just an unfortunate set of circumstances.
There is a solution - just an unpalatable one.
But if a brick wall blocks your route and there's no way around, then the choices are go under, or climb over. Neither solution being easy.
But you're not going to get anywhere by simply banging your head on said brick wall.

 

[Nasher]

Its not that I'm not sympathetic to the OP's situation, some of which is just an unfortunate set of circumstances.
There is a solution - just an unpalatable one.
But if a brick wall blocks your route and there's no way around, then the choices are go under, or climb over. Neither solution being easy.
But you're not going to get anywhere by simply banging your head on said brick wall.

I also have empathy for the OP but he is between a rock & a hard place or catch 22 and no way out

In my opinion, it's time to stop pontificating and take some action to move things forward - life's way too short as it is

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[nicholsong]

He'll still have to pay the import tax on the replacement as it's a 'one time only' exemption.

Mel

Thank goodness somebody is keeping up with the plot, since there seem to be repeats of the same suggestions which do not work.

Geoff

 

[Nasher]

Mel

Thank goodness somebody is keeping up with the plot, since there seem to be repeats of the same suggestions which do not work.

Geoff

I think you may be looking for a solution that doesn't exist..... Sorry!

 

[nicholsong]

I also have empathy for the OP but he is between a rock & a hard place or catch 22 and no way out

In my opinion, it's time to stop pontificating and take some action to move things forward - life's way too short as it is

If some of you think that either I am lying down dead or just banging my head against a brick wall to no effect, then you do not know my tenacity.

I do not publish every move I make on open forum.

This problem has developed at both the Polish and UK end more than at first thought since I started the thread.

I have written elsewhere that I feel like 'K' in Franz Kafka's novel, if any of you have read it.

I was talking to an International banker this evening who said that this problem is the sort of thing which is systemic in ex-Communist countries of Eastern Europe. In the conversation the intricacies of Napoleanic Law and Administration were also mentioned. Poland was once close to France.

Keep watching, if you also have the tenacity.

Geoff

 

[nicholsong]

I think you may be looking for a solution that doesn't exist..... Sorry!

Of course a solution will exist.

After all my efforts in various directions I will choose which one of the solutions fits my wishes best.

But I doubt that it will be the one that allows the Polish government to come out on top on all points. They may have to suffer another loss in the ECJ. Remember I can represent myself, if it comes to that. There are some good restaurants in Luxembourg.

Geoff

 

[denisejoe]

Don’t know how it would be driving through Europe but if you have a booked appointment at an MOT station you are legal to drive so after this is all over or when you feel safe book an mot and drive straight to it from ferry, over here you would be legal as for your licence can it be done by post could someone post forms to you?

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[Bolti]

Don't really get that I would have presumed it was like importing into the uk when we were in the eu vat either in the country you bought in or ours?

Import tax is payable in lots of eu countries Spain, Portugal and Poland to name a few. Just because Brussels says it is not applicable does not mean countries obey.
The main thing of B****t was that the UK applied every law, everyone else ignored them.

 

[Minxy]

Don't really get that I would have presumed it was like importing into the uk when we were in the eu vat either in the country you bought in or ours?

If you read what he's written previously you see that he CANNOT transfer the allowance he's already had on his existing MH, it was only allowed ONCE, that's it, no passing go, no getting a 'get out of importing' for free card ... in effect go straight to either jail or the 'tax man' and pay it!

 

[Langtoftlad]

Tenacity is a fine character trait.
Pig headedness is the other side of the coin.

Unless you anticipate enjoying taking on the UK or Polish governments in court, then my view is life's too short...
...and I don't know, but I can't imagine going down that road will be less costly than paying the import tax

 

[Minxy]

Tenacity is a fine character trait.
Pig headedness is the other side of the coin.

Unless you anticipate enjoying taking on the UK or Polish governments in court, then my view is life's too short...
...and I don't know, but I can't imagine going down that road will be less costly than paying the import tax

I think he's got enough common sense to know not to spend his time going down the 'court' rabbit hole ... as for moving to Poland ... well!

 

[nicholsong]

Tenacity is a fine character trait.
Pig headedness is the other side of the coin.

Unless you anticipate enjoying taking on the UK or Polish governments in court, then my view is life's too short...
...and I don't know, but I can't imagine going down that road will be less costly than paying the import tax

There is an appeals procedure I can follow, no cost there.

Also I am pursuing other channels against the government's decisions.

Geoff

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