Keep left when not overtaking!

[dunnah01]

Mine does and they get used

Well stop it - you're letting the side down

 

[Silver-Fox]

There should be a 'test' on motorway driving, as part of the driving test. There isn't, so Mr knob head, passes his test, and on the motorway he goes. This is so wrong!

I was an HGV driver for years, UK, Europe, and Middle East, and to get a 32 ton load moving, it takes time, and if you lose momentum, it is frustrating, so, I can understand the trucks 'seeming' to take ages to overtake another.

On this forum, some time ago, there was a thread something along the lines of, 'doesn't anyone give way at the end of a slip road anymore'? This highlights the knowledge of some people who use motorways. I pointed out to the person that there has never, ever, been a 'give way' at the end of a slip road.

As for 'middle lane owners club' members, well, you can't teach the stupid.

Craig

Personally I don’t drive 20 or 30 yards in front of me.

I’m at least 100 to 150 yards looking ahead.
I’m particularly aware of HGV possibly wanting to enter Lane two, so drive to allow this to happen.

I will flash an HGV out as they understand what that means.
Why would you want to slow them down

I can’t for the life of me understand why some car drivers in Lane one suck into the back of a slower vehicle then hit the brakes.
What’s that all about

 

[chaser]

This comes up often, but I can never see why folks can't just overtake normally instead of undertaking, what is the harm going out to the outside lane, as I thought that used to be called the overtaking lane, what is it now just empty?

 

[PaulyP]

Another thing that really annoys me are trailers and caravans etc, I often use my trailer whilst on the motorway and stick to a 60mph limit also your not allowed in the outside lane, amazingly it seems that not a lot of drivers know this, I’m regularly passed by trailers/caravans going at 70 and see them use the outside lane when overtaking.

 

[Silver-Fox]

as I thought that used to be called the overtaking lane, what is it now just empty?

Nope it’s called Lane three.

Just like Lane one is so called and not the slow Lane

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[Lofty1]

If your truck is only half a mile an hour faster than the one in front of you, it begs the question, why bother overtaking?

Because hgv driver are taught to press on and could even fail a test if they keep sitting back, Try coming up behind another vehicle that is slower than you on the hills so you have to loose momentum which will cause the vehicle behind to do the same costing fuel and time, They are paid to deliver goods on time and if they overspeed down hill could loose their licence for tacho offences.

 

[bigtwin]

This comes up often, but I can never see why folks can't just overtake normally instead of undertaking, what is the harm going out to the outside lane, as I thought that used to be called the overtaking lane, what is it now just empty?

One reason might be that lane changing is the most hazardous activity undertaken () on motorways and, therefore, the safest thing to do is to maintain progress in the lane you’re in.

One might equally ask why can’t folks keep left if they are not in the midst of an overtake?

Ian

 

[Lenny HB]

All sorts do it. Gotta say, in my experience, mostly older drivers.

Oy! Watch it you, most of us on here are older drivers.

 

[Neil n Pat]

Rush rush rush, why is everyone in such a rush. Motorhoming should be about chilling out absorbing the scenery and atmosphere. Far better to allow more time to get to your destination arriving in a relaxed frame of mind rather than having your blood pressure going off the scale. Myself I just bumble along on the inside lane around 55-60mph and if there is a lorry ahead going slower I just adjust accordingly then overtake if necessary when safe to do so. In defence of some of the middle lane hoggers there are circumstances especially on the continent ( Bordeaux ringroad) if you don´t hog the middle lane you will get filtered off not be able to get back into the lane going ahead as no one will let you back in. If your pulling a caravan it must be even worse. Likewise in the USA, if you are a speed merchant in the outside lane there are locations that filter the outside fast lane to another destination.
So in summary, chill out, don´t fret yourself with middle lane hoggers. Pull over into the services making yourself a cuppa and butty then stretch your legs. Life is too short for stress. As Ghandi once said "live each day as if it´s your last" Don´t let the middle lane hoggers upset you which with frustration could create your last.

 

[chaser]

Nope it’s called Lane three.

Just like Lane one is so called and not the slow Lane

I said, used to be.

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[Silver-Fox]

One might equally ask why can’t folks keep left if they are not in the midst of an overtake?

If you come up with an answer to that one you could be a Chaser on tv with Bradley Walsh

 

[drpeej]

I am not a lane 2 hogger but can someone explain to me why it is wrong to drive at the speed limit in lane 2 (or 3). The only people it will inconvenience are those who want to break the speed limit.

 

[Silver-Fox]

I said, used to be.

Was it ever called the overtaking Lane

I’ve been driving a good few years but don’t remember it called that.

Happy to be put right though

 

[Kannon Fodda]

What gets me more than a simple middle lane hogger travelling at a constant speed are the ones who's speed seems extremely variable, they get past you, loose speed so now you are having to slow or you'll undertake, then they might pick up a bit of speed, but they'll loose it again. It's very obvious when you have set your own speed limiter / cruise control so your speed is constant at say 65mph and no reason why the mid lane hogger had to slow as the road was clear.

In many busy areas in the UK, where there are these unsmart lane controls you will get signage to avoid changing lanes due to congestion. That is almost an encouragement for undertaking, and lane hogging, which increases lane indiscipline in the less congested areas.

 

[bigtwin]

If you come up with an answer to that one you could be a Chaser on tv with Bradley Walsh

I saw what you did there.

Ian

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[Silver-Fox]

I am not a lane 2 hogger but can someone explain to me why it is wrong to drive at the speed limit in lane 2 (or 3). The only people it will inconvenience are those who want to break the speed limit.

One thing it will do is hinder emergency services.

Especially the Traffic officer doing 100 plus mph.

 

[63720]

Like many here most of my miles in the van are from driving abroad. In my opinion the worst drivers are on the M25 and M27, and the worst surfaces are probably in Belgium.

I am not a lane 2 hogger but can someone explain to me why it is wrong to drive at the speed limit in lane 2 (or 3). The only people it will inconvenience are those who want to break the speed limit.

...because you should keep left unless overtaking...

 

[bigtwin]

I am not a lane 2 hogger but can someone explain to me why it is wrong to drive at the speed limit in lane 2 (or 3). The only people it will inconvenience are those who want to break the speed limit.

Gosh! Where do we start?

Never mind the fact that they’re breaking the law, the major (unseen) issue is the consequential build of of traffic behind the guilty party. It may be hard to imagine that this is the case but consider the same action on a single track road with passing places. In that scenario it is very easy to see that if a lead vehicle does not utilise the available passing places then traffic will very quickly build up behind the guilty party.

Middle lane hogging (and the same goes for lanes 3 &4) is an extremely selfish act.

Ian

 

[Silver-Fox]

Like many here most of my miles in the van are from driving abroad. In my opinion the worst drivers are on the M25 and M27, and the worst surfaces are probably in Belgium.

One of the best places I used to drive was the M4 in Wales.

 

[NicandJay]

I think a lot of the lane hogging, particularly the centre lane/s, stems from a misguided belief that they are "safer" lanes. No one pulling on from slip roads, less LGV's etc. In my previous life working on the m ways at incidents we we often hear something like... "mum/dad/husband/boyfriend (insert any other relationship if you please) said get into lane 2 and stay there, you'll be safer there" ! No one explains that may cause problems trying to leave the m way.

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[meanders]

Because hgv driver are taught to press on and could even fail a test if they keep sitting back, Try coming up behind another vehicle that is slower than you on the hills so you have to loose momentum which will cause the vehicle behind to do the same costing fuel and time, They are paid to deliver goods on time and if they overspeed down hill could loose their licence for tacho offences.

But they also don't use their loaves around here. We have the Awful Orwell bridge here which is the last "hill" eastbound until they get to Felixstowe Dock about 15 miles yet they start to overtake each other on the rise, usually 3 feet behind a car doing a clocked 60 in the mandatory limit on the bridge, then slower lorry then speeds up as it gets to the apex and you have both lanes at 56 for maybe the next 3-4 miles while one crawls past the other on the flat. At half a mile an hour the faster lorry will arrive perhaps only 15 seconds before the other. And at what cost to all the other traffic held up? There have been several proposals to ban heavies from lane 2 on the bridge but Highways England don't want to know.

Most of these drivers are very well versed with the road.

 

[Realist]

Another massive bug for me is why do people call them slow and fast lanes, no such thing.

They are overtaking lanes only and once you’ve overtaken the Highway Code stipulates you always drive to the left.

Should allow any car or lorry driver to push any lane hoggers off the road or at least rear bumper check them, soon get the message.

 

[NicandJay]

Another massive bug for me is why do people call them slow and fast lanes, no such thing.

They are overtaking lanes only and once you’ve overtaken the Highway Code stipulates you always drive to the left.

Should allow any car or lorry driver to push any lane hoggers off the road or at least rear bumper check them, soon get the message.

Agreed lanes 1,2 3 etc drives me mad too

 

[David and Sally]

Lane 1 - Check hair and apply makeup lane. Max speed 50mph

Lane 2 - Eat sandwich, smoke and drink lane. 75 mph

Lane 3 - Do emails, text and steer with knees lane. 90mph

 

[simsy56]

I am not a lane 2 hogger but can someone explain to me why it is wrong to drive at the speed limit in lane 2 (or 3). The only people it will inconvenience are those who want to break the speed limit.

Because lanes 2 and 3 are for overtaking.

Craig

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[Rapido925M]

I will flash an HGV out as they understand what that means.
Why would you want to slow them down

I do that in the UK and I tried that a few times in Spain. Then someone told me it means "I'm here: don't get in my way!".
Damn foreigners should learn to speak English

Gordon

 

[two]

Seems to me that folk are becoming progressively less tolerant of others.
A shame, considering that we'll all need to live even closer together as time goes by.

 

[EuroTrotters]

A problem I encounter a lot, lane hogging.

It depends what I am driving as to what I do and how long they are hogging for. Its very frustrating. Especially if you are driving something slow or underpowered and then they play the accelerate game if you try to undertake.

 

[drpeej]

Gosh! Where do we start?

Never mind the fact that they’re breaking the law, the major (unseen) issue is the consequential build of of traffic behind the guilty party. It may be hard to imagine that this is the case but consider the same action on a single track road with passing places. In that scenario it is very easy to see that if a lead vehicle does not utilise the available passing places then traffic will very quickly build up behind the guilty party.

Middle lane hogging (and the same goes for lanes 3 &4) is an extremely selfish act.

Ian

But just being a Devils Advocate here - I did say driving AT the speed limit. Why would there be a build up?

 

[Tea Bag]

u, most of us on here are older drivers.

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