Just had van weighed

[Andy1954]

We have a Burstner Brevio T640
Just been to weigh bridge and came in at 3450kg fully laden eg full water tank full fuel tank clothes food, us two and our dog.

That gives me 50 kg, I’m 70 this summer so I’m thinking no need to keep my C1. Good decision ?

 

[Gav61]

Quite agree....
I guess my comments were pointed towards the understanding and willingness to do it correctly.
I'm happy......especially as it prevents my son from borrowing my P&J...

 

[our poppy llll]

We have a Burstner Brevio T640
Just been to weigh bridge and came in at 3450kg fully laden eg full water tank full fuel tank clothes food, us two and our dog.

That gives me 50 kg, I’m 70 this summer so I’m thinking no need to keep my C1. Good decision ?

Keep your C1, just because your 70 doesn’t mean a thing, like I do every day, look in the mirror and say, god your a young looking dude..

 

[Pausim]

I agree.....
But what about in UK?
If your van plated at 3.5t But obviously overweight as described in previous threads/quotes ....and no C1 licence ....wouldn't the insurance try to worm out of paying?

The offence is overloading. You need C1 to drive a vehicle which is registered at over 3500kg.

 

[gus-lopez]

You are also supposed to have a separate test here to pull a caravan or tandem wheeled trailer..

same in spain

Then it would be cheaper to do the course and test in UK and present the pass certificate.

Even when we were in the EU that could not be done once you had taken residency.It has to be done where you are resident. We had a UK bloke on another forum who took out residency in 2002 , then in 2003 went to the UK & did intensive driving course & passed & used his Uk licence for the next 10 years.
Went to swop it in 2013 got right up to the last knockings & they then spotted that he was a resident here when he passed in the UK & they refused to exchange the licence telling him that he had to take a spanish test. he did & passed .Reason he didn't first time was he thought his spanish wasn't up to taking the test.

I have always wondered how any non driving spaniard would be treated,who worked in the Uk & passed a test there,when they eventually returned to spain & wanted to exchange for a spanish one?
I have a Latvian friend who is resident in the UK & took & passed her test in the Uk back in 2014 :

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[Charente16]

Did you not retain British citizenship so joint, that’s like they don’t recognise any other entitlements from non French agencies.

I am a British subject legally resident in France since before the 'B' word, I am therefore entitled to the same Rights - excluding voting - and Obligations as a French citizen and subject to the same laws. I have not applied for French citizenship and at my age have no intention of doing so as I have kept my previous EU Rights of Residence under the Withdrawal Agreement.
I have the right to EU Dual Citizenship via my Father's birth nationality and far easier for me to obtain than trying to become a French citizen. I would have persued that route had not the 'WA' protected my previous rights in France.
The French inheritance laws that apply to all French citizens are a disincentive for many foreigners'taking up French citizenship - the children inherit not the wife.

 

[Pausim]

The French inheritance laws that apply to all French citizens are a disincentive for many foreigners'taking up French citizenship - the children inherit not the wife.

Can that be changed by a will?

 

[Charente16]

Can that be changed by a will?',

,As a foreign national yes, you are entitled to have a 'foreign Will' administered under your country's law. As a French citizen it is subject to the Law of Succession, and includes people you might not want to leave anything to. The wife in France only has a lIfe time entitlement to the property but cannot sell without the permission of the heirs. One of the reasons there are so many empty houses because of 'family disputes' over property.

 

[Aspenshaw]

At a show last year, I think it was Malvern, I asked SV whether I should keep my CI (my licence is up in June) or down plate. They were very much in favour keeping my CI unless I have serious reasons not to - such as failing the D4. They said having gained the C1, it gives you flexible in the future compared to the 3,500kg, the cost is lower, and your speedo will reduce your speeding eg down to 50mph on some roads.

 

[Broadway]

We have a Burstner Brevio T640
Just been to weigh bridge and came in at 3450kg fully laden eg full water tank full fuel tank clothes food, us two and our dog.

That gives me 50 kg, I’m 70 this summer so I’m thinking no need to keep my C1. Good decision ?

Can you tell me where in North Yorkshire you had the van weighed. Thanks.

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[sgl5gjr]

Can you tell me where in North Yorkshire you had the van weighed. Thanks.

not sure if this helps..... my van was weighed by the previous owner..... he had it weighed at L Clancey Scrap Metal, Murton Lane, Murton, YO19 5UF ..... I still have the weigh ticket in the van's history...... hope that helps....

 

[Broadway]

not sure if this helps..... my van was weighed by the previous owner..... he had it weighed at L Clancey Scrap Metal, Murton Lane, Murton, YO19 5UF ..... I still have the weigh ticket in the van's history...... hope that helps....

That’s great. Thanks.

 

[Gyro]

We have a Burstner Brevio T640
Just been to weigh bridge and came in at 3450kg fully laden eg full water tank full fuel tank clothes food, us two and our dog.

That gives me 50 kg, I’m 70 this summer so I’m thinking no need to keep my C1. Good decision ?

Can’t be arsed myself I let mine revert! Not paying the exorbitant doctors fees for the medical each time 3.5 ton is plenty for most needs imho.

 

[eurajohn]

When i swapped my licence in 2007 it was under the old Prefecture/Departmental licence system which meant lots of variation in decision making, nowadays it is all centralised at Nantes. No 'Grandfather Rights' in France and, therefore, a test is required, or 'proof of having passed one', my test date was back in 1965/66 and the only information DVLA would provide was Confirmation that my licence was current which was not sufficient

Not actually correct, there is an equivalent here in France known as B79 click link here for an explanation, Google will translate for you.
I didn't have any problems with the Laval prefecture in 2007

 

[kingspeed]

We have a Burstner Brevio T640
Just been to weigh bridge and came in at 3450kg fully laden eg full water tank full fuel tank clothes food, us two and our dog.

That gives me 50 kg, I’m 70 this summer so I’m thinking no need to keep my C1. Good decision ?

Hello Andy,
I am 76 this year, and to be honest I would keep your C1 as when/if you need a C1 later (who knows) you will find it has gone forever.
However there may be a light at the end of the proverbial tunnel. Let us all hope the review of the driving licences may lead to us all having an upgrade if they do away with the C1 altogether.
Truly it is not that much of an issue to get your C1 but you will not get it back if you don't.
Just another thought, what if / when they change the rules you cannot go up to the "new" weight if you don't already hold a C1 ?
Regards, Trevor.

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[kingspeed]

It’s crystal clear! Buy a motorhome, go to a weighbridge, if overloaded either up plate or change motorhomes, it really is that simple!
The 5% over is a myth and depends on vosa at the time, I know a driver who was done for 44,120 kgs
There is NO excuse for being overloaded

Guessing your a trucker. I was, and one night I parked up at the weighbridge on the A17 just the Newark side of the Sleaford roundabout. A police car brought a tuck in, and weighed him. Just as you said he was 140kgs over. The police and VOSA Made him unload the excess onto the grass between the truck lanes. Some of it was still there in the morning.
Over weight or not. You choose.

 

[kingspeed]

Keep your C1, just because your 70 doesn’t mean a thing, like I do every day, look in the mirror and say, god your a young looking dude..

I want a mirror like yours. Where did you get it.

 

[Brian Thompson]

We have a Burstner Brevio T640
Just been to weigh bridge and came in at 3450kg fully laden eg full water tank full fuel tank clothes food, us two and our dog.

That gives me 50 kg, I’m 70 this summer so I’m thinking no need to keep my C1. Good decision ?

Correct . Only things to consider is , is it on Grandad rights? are you ever likely to need it in the future ?? Not sure if you can get it reinstated after its lapsed

 

[nicholsong]

Then it would be cheaper to do the course and test in UK and present the pass certificate.

same in spain

Even when we were in the EU that could not be done once you had taken residency.It has to be done where you are resident.

Richard, I was in the mindset of somebody like me who is contemplating a possible move to France/Spain

Geoff

 

[WESTY66]

Guessing your a trucker. I was, and one night I parked up at the weighbridge on the A17 just the Newark side of the Sleaford roundabout. A police car brought a tuck in, and weighed him. Just as you said he was 140kgs over. The police and VOSA Made him unload the excess onto the grass between the truck lanes. Some of it was still there in the morning.
Over weight or not. You choose.

No I’m not, actually I work in a quarry and sometimes I have to man the weighbridge so I’m familiar with weights and measures of trucks in and out, but truckers talk don’t they
I usually weigh the moho there a few times a year, that’s how I know when I have “EVERYTHING” inc 350 scooter on board and full fluids I’m 70kg over on the rear axle, but I can drop water if I need to
Ps love the transcontinental on your avatar

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[Tony50]

Hi,
Just out of interest, what were the axle loading. It's possible to be under gross weight but over on one of the axles.
Hopefully not the case

Yes we al need to be careful if you are overweight on front and rear axles and overweight overall that's 3 charges you get summons on.
Any axle overweight you are liable to be fined

 

[marshwader]

It depends on what the MH is currently rated at. If over 3500kg then you must keep your C1.

Absolutely correct. Our motorhome (Burstner) is well under 3500 when we recently weighted it, but it is rated at 4 ton. I spent 8 months getting my license to maintain my entitlements once reaching 70.

 

[Andy1954]

Can you tell me where in North Yorkshire you had the van weighed. Thanks.

Cook and Son, West Hesleton £5

 

[JonP]

Agree, a van with less than a 1000 kg of payload is not worth having.

That rules out probably 75% of the motorhomes on the market.

 

[JonP]

It’s crystal clear! Buy a motorhome, go to a weighbridge, if overloaded either up plate or change motorhomes, it really is that simple!
The 5% over is a myth and depends on vosa at the time, I know a driver who was done for 44,120 kgs
There is NO excuse for being overloaded

Think the more important issue is axle weights particularly with the Ducato on the rear axle. Often payload available on front axle which cannot be used thereby reducing your 3500kg limit further.

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[tonyidle]

Can’t be arsed myself I let mine revert! Not paying the exorbitant doctors fees for the medical each time 3.5 ton is plenty for most needs imho.

Exorbitant? £55 every 3 years & reduced road tax?

 

[97243]

Not actually correct, there is an equivalent here in France known as B79 click link here for an explanation, Google will translate for you.
I didn't have any problems with the Laval prefecture in 2007

Five months ago I had to apply to swap my UK licence as I was 70 in January. The new FR licence arrived on Saturday without the C1 and other heavy classes being transferred over. I have rechecked online application and it was fine with the right boxes ticked and ANTS acknowledged receipt of my medical certificate.

I am hoping that this is an admin error, so am waiting with bated breath as the plan is to up plate the hopelessly overweight Esterel.

 

[CAB96]

At a show last year, I think it was Malvern, I asked SV whether I should keep my CI (my licence is up in June) or down plate. They were very much in favour keeping my CI unless I have serious reasons not to - such as failing the D4. They said having gained the C1, it gives you flexible in the future compared to the 3,500kg, the cost is lower, and your speedo will reduce your speeding eg down to 50mph on some roads.

They are wrong on the speedo.

Motor Caravan is passenger car limits, not HGV.

 

[Lenny HB]

They are wrong on the speedo.

Motor Caravan is passenger car limits, not HGV.

Only if the unladen weight is 3050kg or less in the UK, all other countries the limits are less if the MAM is over 3500kg.

 

[our poppy llll]

I was contemplating buying a 3500 motorhome, before I bought Poppylll, I was told I could upgrade its plated weight to 4500 and that it was just a paperwork exercise. If that is the case, can a 4500 plated Moho be down graded to a 3500 plate as a paper exercise?
Maybe then if the OP did not get his C1 it would be a simple task of down grading. I don’t know, it’s just a question.. what do you all think?

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[nicholsong]

I was contemplating buying a 3500 motorhome, before I bought Poppylll, I was told I could upgrade its plated weight to 4500 and that it was just a paperwork exercise. If that is the case, can a 4500 plated Moho be down graded to a 3500 plate as a paper exercise?
Maybe then if the OP did not get his C1 it would be a simple task of down grading. I don’t know, it’s just a question.. what do you all think?

If a MH can be up-plated to 4500kg it probably has a heavy chassis and suspension so at 3500kg is unlikely to have much payload.