Iveco Daily Engine question (1 Viewer)

[Taff015]

Hi all, started my van up the other day. started no problem then about 30 seconds in it died and now wont start.

I've checked fuel, it has some. Engine turning over but not catching. No warning lights

I'm thinking one of the following:

Lift Pump
Fuel filter
Fuel pump
Random fuse
crankshaft sensor wiring
Injectors
Act of god

I have previously had random cut-outs under acceleration and the EDC light comes on but if i turn on and off it restarts. I did get that checked out and garage stated there was an error with a crankshaft sensor. they replaced that.... still an issue

this is new and I am too stubborn to get it recovered to a garage without exhausting obvious easy fixes!!

Any help would be appreciated. I can fix most things but have never really dealt with diesel engines.

its the 3 litre version if that helps

Thanks in advance

Paul

 

[CazPaul]

What year is it?

 

[Carpmart]

Similar symptoms and it was the ECU failed on mine…

 

[L' Hobo]

Does the Crash-cutout, usually found on the passenger side footwell, need resetting?

 

[JockandRita]

Does the Crash-cutout, usually found on the passenger side footwell, need resetting?

Could you elaborate on that one a bit more please Owen, and would you know from what model year onward, would that cutout have been fitted?

Ours is 2006 and LHD, and it's not something I am aware of.

Thanks,

Jock.

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[Ditcha]

Could you elaborate on that one a bit more please Owen, and would you know from what model year onward, would that cutout have been fitted?

Ours is 2006 and LHD, and it's not something I am aware of.

Thanks,

Jock.

It's a inertia switch fitted to all most, if not all vehicles it cuts the fuel supply in the event of a accident generally found in the footwell but don't know on a A class but Google should be your friend

 

[MR BLO]

Sounds like a problem I recently had with a Renault horsebox. Driving home into the drive and it died. Managed to coast to a safe place. Would turn but not fire. Checked battery for alternator working ok. Filter check free from debris. Could hear lift pump running in tank so took rail off and no fuel. Immediate thought was HP pump or cam related. But turned out to be a rail pressure sensor easily checked with a multi meter thanks to YouTube.

 

[JockandRita]

It's a inertia switch fitted to all most, if not all vehicles it cuts the fuel supply in the event of a accident generally found in the foot well but don't know on a A class but Google should be your friend

I've seen many in an engine compartment Dave, but never come across one in a passenger footwell.

Cheers,

Jock.

 

[mitzimad]

my first call is does it start on easy start if it does its a fuel problem if it doesnt its electrics

 

[CazPaul]

I've seen many in an engine compartment Dave, but never come across one in a passenger footwell.

Cheers,

Jock.

I’ve had a look Jock, I can’t see anything resembling this switch in our footwells?

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[L' Hobo]

Sorry about arriving late Jock, but us oldies need our beauty sleep.

My 2007 Ducato RHD has it tucked up in the passenger footwell, which in your LHD is probably drivers side.

It's not easy to see and to reset, you have to press (on mine, really hard) a button in.
As said by Ditcha it's called the inertia button, try 'search' on the Blue banner, there must be something I would have thought?

Good Luck!

EDIT: Just had a look in 'search' and found nothing helpful, my next search would be on 'Fiat Forum' or even, the vehicle handbook.

 

[Landy Andy]

Inertia switches are often fitted inside vehicles, like the ducatos, where it is under the glove box.

To the OP do you have an immobiliser? Does it have a indicator light ?

It sounds to me that it isn’t getting fuel, so fuel pump, or fuel solenoid. That is why it starts, runs briefly, then dies each time. These are often what is wired to the immobiliser to isolate the vehicle. I’m not familiar with your vehicle and if it has a fuel solenoid or pump.

 

[L' Hobo]

Inertia switches are often fitted inside vehicles, like the ducatos, where it is under the glove box.

To the OP do you have an immobiliser? Does it have a indicator light ?

It sounds to me that it isn’t getting fuel, so fuel pump, or fuel solenoid. That is why it starts, runs briefly, then dies each time. These are often what is wired to the immobiliser to isolate the vehicle. I’m not familiar with your vehicle and if it has a fuel solenoid or pump.

In the good old days, in a situation like this, one would just change the diesel filter, blow back the fuel line, connect up and after bleeding, GO!

Ahhh......the good old times!

 

[AdrianChen]

In my manual for 2022 3LT only stop start engines have an inertia device, which is fitted on the bulkhead inline with the left/passenger seat - if an A class I think it would be difficulkt to reach so may be repositioned - mine is not stop start so cant check.....

I would try to find someone with a fault code reader I think!

 

[L' Hobo]

In my manual for 2022 3LT only stop start engines have an inertia device

That cannot be true, my 2007 X250 Ducato has one.

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[AdrianChen]

That cannot be true, my 2007 X250 Ducato has one.

It's what's printed in my Iveco manual for a 2022 vehicle - I wasn't commenting on a 2007 Ducato

 

[L' Hobo]

It's what's printed in my Iveco manual for a 2022 vehicle - I wasn't commenting on a 2007 Ducato

Is your chassis an Iveco or, like my Ducato, just has an Iveco engine?

 

[JockandRita]

Owen, mine is a 2006 3Ltr Iveco 60C 17 chassis.

Cheers

Jock.

 

[AdrianChen]

Mines an Iveco chassis and engine - - Not sure if it would have changed between 2006 and 2022 though. Tried to compare the engine repair manuals, but I could only see a small part of the 2006 manual on line although I do have a pdf copy of the "New Daily" manual -

 

[L' Hobo]

Owen, mine is a 2006 3Ltr Iveco 60C 17 chassis.

Cheers

Jock.

Cheers Jock, then my advice may have been misleading, (it has been known )

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[L' Hobo]

Mines an Iveco chassis and engine - - Not sure if it would have changed between 2006 and 2022 though. Tried to compare the engine repair manuals, but I could only see a small part of the 2006 manual on line although I do have a pdf copy of the "New Daily" manual -

As said to Jock, you may be right and I'm wrong, (it has been known, )

 

[AdrianChen]

As said to Jock, you may be right and I'm wrong, (it has been known, )

Difficult to know without the right documentation or any warning lights or error codes. On our previous merc I had an obd2 reader, but haven't got one for this van - leaves me feeling vulnerable!

 

[jockaneezer]

Our '08 Iveco Daily packed up on us and investigations found the connector for the tank mounted lift pump had corroded so badly that the pin terminals had crumbled away to nothing. It was a poor setup on our tipper as the sender/pump unit created a small water trap that caused the problem.
Another fault is some Iveco's don't have a tank mounted lift pump, but the Bosch injector pump has a smaller lift pump "piggy backed" onto it, which is driven by a small internal shaft from the main pump (injector pump circled in white, lift pump circled in purple [ignore the Honda logo on the engine cover !] The drive end of this small shaft has been known to shear off and it's needed to supply a 3 bar minimum pressure to allow the injector pump to operate.
Also, just check that the immobiliser "padlock" symbol hasn't illuminated on the dash when the engine dies ?

 

[Taff015]

Inertia switches are often fitted inside vehicles, like the ducatos, where it is under the glove box.

To the OP do you have an immobiliser? Does it have a indicator light ?

It sounds to me that it isn’t getting fuel, so fuel pump, or fuel solenoid. That is why it starts, runs briefly, then dies each time. These are often what is wired to the immobiliser to isolate the vehicle. I’m not familiar with your vehicle and if it has a fuel solenoid or pump.

Yes Sigma immobilizer. It only started the once then died and hasn't started since. Immobilizer seems to work

 

[Taff015]

What year is it?

2006 N&B Flair on an Iveco chassis

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[Taff015]

my first call is does it start on easy start if it does its a fuel problem if it doesnt its electrics

Clearly I'm being thick here.. I take it easy start is something i use?

 

[Carpmart]

Clearly I'm being thick here.. I take it easy start is something i use?

Easy start (start ya bastard branded in AUS) is a aerosol combustion agent (buy it in a can at a motor factors) which when sprayed in the air intake, airbox, inlet manifold will give you a few seconds running, so a clear indication of if the vehicle will run if it had fuel. It therefore narrows down the problem for you towards a fueling issue (could be pump, fuel rail, injectors etc) and away from other issues.

 

[Taff015]

This is my view at minute.

where abouts should i be looking for the lift pump etc? This isn't helped by the fact that i have parked the wagon really close to a fence to get it on the drive!!!!

Should i be under the wagon looking up?

 

[Taff015]

Easy start (start ya bastard branded in AUS) is a aerosol combustion agent (buy it in a can at a motor factors) which when sprayed in the air intake, airbox, inlet manifold will give you a few seconds running, so a clear indication of if the vehicle will run if it had fuel. It therefore narrows down the problem for you towards a fueling issue (could be pump, fuel rail, injectors etc) and away from other issues.

Bonus, thanks. Ill go get a can after school run.

So if it doesn't start with a rocket up its arse then I'm likely looking at a fuel issue. Cool, thanks. I just need to know when the lift pump is etc I guess. Probably on the same side as the filler cap? or is that too obvious?

 

[Steve and Denise]

Bonus, thanks. Ill go get a can after school run.

So if it doesn't start with a rocket up its arse then I'm likely looking at a fuel issue. Cool, thanks. I just need to know when the lift pump is etc I guess. Probably on the same side as the filler cap? or is that too obvious?

It maybe a good idea to remove the air intake pipe from the manifold before you spray the easy start I down the intake pipe, also get the wife to turn the engine over at the same time.

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