Itsy bitsy teenie weenie payloads

[Mickey1]

260kg that's generous
Marquis have a 294 in atm on 3500kg with a staggering 210kg payload

I think you misread my post, I was joking. My payload is 1220kg.

Mickey

 

[Jagtazman]

I think you misread my post, I was joking. My payload is 1220kg.

Mickey

I know sorry you were referring to previous post who said 260kg when intact its 210kg
Sorry should have just responded to previous post was being lazy
WD on 1220kg payload

 

[Pausim]

I'm the same with overtaking. I just close my eyes and hope it will be OK, been doing it years without a problem.

I believe this is the Sri Lankan approach to overtaking. Collisions are neither drivers fault, they just happened to arrive on that bit of road at the same time.

 

[Lenny HB]

Perhaps the guys with the Benimar's (3.5t) could post copies their C of C so we can see what the real world situation is.

 

[thebriars]

Why? Which bit of my post did you not read where I said that I weighed the motorhome as soon as I got it and it was almost exactly as specified in the literature.

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[PeteH]

That is for the vehicle, but it does not get around the C1 licence problems which for international circulation are governed by the weight limits set in the various Treaties and which have 140ish signatories who would have to agree.

Geoff

Which is clearly why we need a Category, for "Motor Caravan" with a sensible limit under UK law. (the other 139ish can fend for themselves). (or fall into line?. I dont particularly care.

 

[PeteH]

IMO not practical to buy a Motorhome with less than 700 kg payload.

Which brings me back to the "Argument" that the B1 "weight" classification needs uprating by at least 1/2 a tonne. A4 tonne rating would not make any difference to drive-ability, but would take away a lot of stress and extra expense for many, especially those over 70. The MEDICAL raison, would still apply just as is now does for those of any age. And to so do would remove (one of) the current "Ageist" agenda`s beloved of bureaucracy.
When one looks at the "ability" of the chassis/cab combinations used in the manufacture of motorhomes in general. They are the same units that are used and abused and in some (many?) cases overloaded, in comercial use, day in day out. bearing that in mind it is a miracle that far more accidents do not occur, and is a testament to the strength of construction of said units. Upgrading tyres is about the only thing I would be tempted to change.

 

[pandas]

Why? Which bit of my post did you not read where I said that I weighed the motorhome as soon as I got it and it was almost exactly as specified in the literature.

I think your emoji seems to be on character

 

[ABZSteve]

No one as mentioned what weight the vans come out of the factory at.
There is a +/-5% tolerance in my experience most vans come out 100 to 140 kg over the design weight and this has to be taken off the payload. That would make a lot of the vans listed here unusable with a passenger let alone optional extras that most people have 100 to 200 kg of.

The only exception I know is Hymer our first two were 30 kg under present one only 16 kg over.

IMO not practical to buy a Motorhome with less than 700 kg payload.

Autotrail use +/- 3%

 

[ABZSteve]

The options & extras I fitted to my van come to around 245 kg.

Does that include the wife Always something to get rid of, like water, if stopped for being a tad heavy - the dog stays though

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[ABZSteve]

Not a problem if there's water at the place your heading but defeats the object of having a motor home so your not tied to sites

 

[ABZSteve]

I'm the same with overtaking. I just close my eyes and hope it will be OK, been doing it years without a problem.

Yeh but you are cheating if it is not a single carriageway

 

[Northernraider]

I run with an empty tank due to payload issues. I just put water in when I arrive on site. Don't see a problem with that.

Makes it tied to sites in which case they could reduce payload even more by not having batteries and just have it tethered to a mains.

 

[Pausim]

I would find a an increase in the 3500Kg limit helpful but I am not sure that in the long term it would do anything but shift the problem to (say) 4000Kg. Manufacturers would soon build to the new limit by building bigger or adding more equipment, again leaving little for payload. Perhaps we the customers are partly guilty for being seduced by space, equipment and sales puff rather than practical considerations and careful loading. There are some manufacturers who are making an effort to reduce construction weights and perhaps that is where the future lies.

 

[ABZSteve]

AutoTrail Apache 634 with all options added

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[ABZSteve]

Autotrail use +/- 3%

 

[AXO66]

Wasn’t there something about changes to weights allowances you can drive if the van is electriclly powered.
This to allow for the increased weight due to the batteries, and realising most drivers will only have a C1(?)license.?

 

[nicholsong]

Which is clearly why we need a Category, for "Motor Caravan" with a sensible limit under UK law. (the other 139ish can fend for themselves). (or fall into line?. I dont particularly care.

But if only the UK change the 'B' licence limit the holder would not be able to tour at that limit in other countries that did not change.

That would be nno use to many motorhomers.

Geoff

 

[Blue Knight]

AutoTrail Apache 634 with all options added

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The only discrepancy with that figure sir is that it should in theory read between -93kg and -95kg.

Autotrail seems to be the only large manufacturer who does not identify any weight differences between the 130bhp, 150bhp engines and the comformatic box.

In post #36 of this thread you can see that Swift adjusts its payload figures depending on what engine and what gearbox option is selected; a difference of 33kg between a 130bhp manual and a 150bhp Auto.

I suspect that Autotrail wish to avoid any further reduction in its payload figures as having a 77kg payload (205kg-128kg), before material adjustments, is not exactly great for sales:

 

[Lenny HB]

Does that include the wife Always something to get rid of, like water, if stopped for being a tad heavy - the dog stays though

That is just options, i.e., 2 x extra batteries, TecTower, Comfortpack, front aluminium roller blind, auto gearbox, spare wheel etc., in fact may be over 300 kg but still gives me over a 1000kg payload.

P.S. wife only just over 40 kg.

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[Lenny HB]

Autotrail use +/- 3%

Can't find any mention of torelance on their website but 5% is the European recomendation that all other manufacturers work to.
It did notice it said weight with all water tanks drained & no mention of any fuel or gas allowance.

Also a lot of models they fit a reduced size fuel tank and fit a pinddly little 60 Lt tank, how crazy is that in a Motorhome, the standard 90 Lt is small enough I still wish I'd gone for the optional 120 Lt.

 

[ABZSteve]

Can't find any mention of torelance on their website but 5% is the Europeane recomendation that all other manufacturers work to.
It did notice it said weight with all water tanks drained & no mention of any fuel or gas allowance.

Also a lot of models they fit a reduced size fuel tank a pinddly little 60 Lt tank, how crazy is that in a Motorhome, the standard 90 Lt is small enough I still wish I'd gone for the optional 120 Lt.

 

[ABZSteve]

Can't find any mention of torelance on their website but 5% is the Europeane recomendation that all other manufacturers work to.
It did notice it said weight with all water tanks drained & no mention of any fuel or gas allowance.

Also a lot of models they fit a reduced size fuel tank a pinddly little 60 Lt tank, how crazy is that in a Motorhome, the standard 90 Lt is small enough I still wish I'd gone for the optional 120 Lt.

Yip had 90 on my last one, 60 on the new one, agree, piddly

 

[Lenny HB]

I suspect that Autotrail wish to avoid any further reduction in its payload figures as having a 77kg payload (205kg-128kg), before material adjustments, is not exactly great for sales:

That's a good start I noticed it too when browsing their website, every one knows a Comformatic gearbox weighs an extra 15 kg. If they can't even get basic info like that correct there is no hope.

 

[Blue Knight]

P.S. wife only just over 40 kg.

You're a lucky man Lenny. I had to travel to the Isle of Wight to get my wife but she's a skinny thing and it helps save on payload.

If I had chosen a local lass then I would have had to opt for the 5T chassis instead of the 4.5T version.

They make them big up here

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[Lenny HB]

You're a lucky man Lenny. I had to travel to the Isle of Wight to get my wife but she's a skinny thing and it helps save on payload.

If I had chosen a local lass then I would have had to opt for the 5T chassis instead of the 4.5T version.

They make them big up here

Only had to go to Kent for mine, she hasn't 'afe put on some weight 6st when we met, now over 7st.

 

[SpeedyDux]

Autotrail use +/- 3%

In weight terms the tolerance is somewhere in the 10kg - 20 kg range, which seems quite a lot, if you compare it with (say) an airline baggage weight allowance.

What reasonable explanation is there for such a big weight variance (excluding options) in a standardised product made in a factory, assembling basically the same hab materials and components on the same chassis for each model?

 

[Wagoneer]

Here's a bit of trivia that might be interesting !!!

An Australian guy (who posts on another UK forum) has a 2015 Auto-Trail Tracker FB. He says, AT only export heavy chassis versions to Australia because the normal car license allows up to 4500kg.

Problem solved.......emigrate to Australia

 

[Blue Knight]

Here's a bit of trivia that might be interesting !!!

An Australian guy (who posts on another UK forum) has a 2015 Auto-Trail Tracker FB. He says, AT only export heavy chassis versions to Australia because the normal car license allows up to 4500kg.

Problem solved.......emigrate to Australia

That's an interesting bit of info

Autotrail is trying desperately hard to push in to the AUS and NZ markets so the 4.5T limit is a good move IMO.

That said, the same rule can't apply to NZ as there was a guy on the Kiwi AT forum who was complaining in January this year that his Tracker FB weighed 3,800kg (registered at 3.65T) when he only had basic kit onboard.

If they're not careful then the NZ motorhome industry will soon turn into a crock of $hit like ours where everyone is struggling for payload on a 3.5T chassis

 

[nicholsong]

All this talk of payload, and the C1 D4 medical implications, are a reminder that I should dicuss upping the bribe to my Doctor. I will bring it up when we dine with her and her hubby this evening.

Maybe she would accept an up-front cash payment to cover the next 3 x D4s post-dated to cover 9 years

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