The Dotties
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That’ll teach me not to spend the money before I win my claim!
’Sorry we are unable to represent you’ (Leigh Day)
’Sorry we are unable to represent you’ (Leigh Day)
Is this true? Dieselgate … Motorhome compensation
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It's a no for me can't remember the registration number of the 2 cars I had
I have 2 claims for 2 Mercedes cars I had between 2009 and 2019.
The ambulance chasing claims firms suggest you can win up to £10K per claim but in reality it could possibly be £2k in your pocket after their 50% fee….
They just want as many people to join the class action as possible to bolster their fees.
Will see what happens..
The ambulance chasing claims firms suggest you can win up to £10K per claim but in reality it could possibly be £2k in your pocket after their 50% fee….
They just want as many people to join the class action as possible to bolster their fees.
Will see what happens..
Does it only apply to new vehicles.
Ie you bought brand new ?
Ie you bought brand new ?
Just entered my details and was accepted for the car. First motorhome we bought in 2019 and PX in 2021 so I'm guessing we could put a claim in for first motorehome?
Initially I thought it would just be vehicles purchased from new, is that not the case?
Initially I thought it would just be vehicles purchased from new, is that not the case?
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Jim
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No if you bought used you can still claim
Vehicle Emissions Claims | Diesel Vehicle Claims | Leigh Day
If you're a diesel vehicle owner, you could join our emissions claim. No-win, no-fee! Claim today with Leigh Day. Call 020 7650 1200 to find out more.
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pappajohn
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All brand new and first owner?
Seems to be the criteria with some of the claim companies.
Does not seem to be the case for Leigh Day (see Jim's link)
I just entered in two current vehicles, both of which we bought at about 18 months old.
Dieselgate is indeed a scam.
It is however one created by the auto industry to cheat the system.
Therefore the companies involved should be made to pay.
In an ideal world, I'd suggest that all involved should be serving time and their shares in the company should be transferred to the (mostly dense urban) areas that will suffer for decades to come over this scam.
However in the real world, if the owners of the cars get a bung and the ambulance chasers also get a bung, at least that is money that the auto companies are having to pay out. Which is better than them getting off with a slap on the wrist, which is all the governments have been able to do.
Jim
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They cheated a system that was designed to save lives. Their dirty scamming has almost certainly cost lives. I'd rather see the company bosses who signed off on it rotting in jail. Meanwhile hurting these companies in the wallet seems to be a half decent compromise.
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As an FYI, the reason the Auto companies got caught is they got greedy.
If only a few engine manufacturers had done it, or they had all did it, but to a small degree, they would probably have got away with it.
However not only had most of the major manufacturers build in a way to cheat the tests, they had all did it to the maximum level that they thought they could without getting caught.
What never came to light, from any of the manufacturers was what must have been reams of emails and reports between senior management discussing what the maximum they thought they could get away with and what would happen if they got caught.
The reason they were caught was the EU installed a number of air monitoring stations in traffic blackspots in the UK, Germany, France and Italy.
It was the one at the Blackwall Tunnel in London that started to come up with 'wrong' results.
As the road is very densely covered in CCTV and a lot of the vehicles use it on daily basis, they were able to slice and dice the data to get all the regular diesel users make and model and age.
And then compare what the diesel emissions should have been given manufacturers specifications against what the air pollution monitors were actually picking up.
When they found the numbers did not match they added dozens more air pollution monitors all over the area and recorded the number plate of every single vehicle going through the tunnel. This meant they could get a real time feed of the predicted pollution levels (as given by the manufacturers) against actual pollution levels given by the monitors.
The process was repeated in in other locations all over Europe. All with the same results. That is when they started to look very closely at the cars and then found the fraud that had been committed.
Bottom line is if you own(ed) a diesel vehicle between 2008 and 2020 then click here and see if it's eligible for a claim. You only need your number plate to proceed and all they want is your contact details, takes all of 3 mins to fill in the form.
The more the motor manufacturers have to pay out the better.
If only a few engine manufacturers had done it, or they had all did it, but to a small degree, they would probably have got away with it.
However not only had most of the major manufacturers build in a way to cheat the tests, they had all did it to the maximum level that they thought they could without getting caught.
What never came to light, from any of the manufacturers was what must have been reams of emails and reports between senior management discussing what the maximum they thought they could get away with and what would happen if they got caught.
The reason they were caught was the EU installed a number of air monitoring stations in traffic blackspots in the UK, Germany, France and Italy.
It was the one at the Blackwall Tunnel in London that started to come up with 'wrong' results.
As the road is very densely covered in CCTV and a lot of the vehicles use it on daily basis, they were able to slice and dice the data to get all the regular diesel users make and model and age.
And then compare what the diesel emissions should have been given manufacturers specifications against what the air pollution monitors were actually picking up.
When they found the numbers did not match they added dozens more air pollution monitors all over the area and recorded the number plate of every single vehicle going through the tunnel. This meant they could get a real time feed of the predicted pollution levels (as given by the manufacturers) against actual pollution levels given by the monitors.
The process was repeated in in other locations all over Europe. All with the same results. That is when they started to look very closely at the cars and then found the fraud that had been committed.
Bottom line is if you own(ed) a diesel vehicle between 2008 and 2020 then click here and see if it's eligible for a claim. You only need your number plate to proceed and all they want is your contact details, takes all of 3 mins to fill in the form.
The more the motor manufacturers have to pay out the better.
I am amazed that they are taking 50%, 5/6 years ago the norm was 15/30% max.
I think the thought that it is free money from the motor companies means that the law businesses are working on the basis that people will be happy with 50% of something is better than 100% of nothing, I think it’s robbery the lawyers have 75/80% of this process computerised and automatic so why are the6 taking so much?
I think the thought that it is free money from the motor companies means that the law businesses are working on the basis that people will be happy with 50% of something is better than 100% of nothing, I think it’s robbery the lawyers have 75/80% of this process computerised and automatic so why are the6 taking so much?
No FIAT make on the Leigh Day drop down menu so maybe Ducato MHs will have to wait for another class action to be opened.
Seems a bit unfair when Peugeot and Citroen vans from the same Sevel factory are included.
Seems a bit unfair when Peugeot and Citroen vans from the same Sevel factory are included.
Peugeot and Citroen use a different engine to the Iveco unit in the Fiats.
I know. The suspicious thing about the Iveco 2.3 Multijet2 engine in mine might be its claimed Euro 6 compliance only using fancy EGR, without adblu (which subsequently changed in the later version).
OK, not needing adblu might be seen as a selling point. But still. If the compliance claim was iffy, there should be consequences.
Watch this space ...
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Because they can.
As you say, 50% of something is better than 100% of nothing.
As a side note: back in the 90's we shared a small office building with Leigh Day, they had two of the floors, we had the other 4 floors. They were a small start up in those days that specialised on taking on class actions that others would not touch, they got some very worthy wins, which has now laid the foundations for a very large and successful legal practice with hundreds of lawyers.
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Leigh Day caps their fees costs & charges at 35% according to their blurb
I agree that it does look a bit suspicious. But it could also be that Euro6D measured mpg in a different way and it was easier for them to achieve (/game) good figures with the new drive cycle tests with AdBlue than with just EGR.
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A pal is a diesel and petrol engine development engineer working for the generally acknowledged world leading automotive engine development company. He's involved with civil, military, Formula 1 vehicles and 'secret/prototype/emerging' power systems. Long before Dieselgate he told me about many curious things when carrying out emissions and mpg testing. Some that I remember are that the vehicle's tyres were pumped up rock hard, the windscreen washer bottle was empty, just enough fuel for the duration of the testing period and no spare wheel or jack was aboard, which of course is nowadays marketed as a 'space saving' benefit and is reflected in mpg performance on account of the weight saving. All are marginal savings but they add up in the highly competitive vehicle market.
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I worked at a motor manufacturer's R&D department when the new drive cycle tests were coming in. They had a vehicle on the a rolling road test rig and they were repeatedly running the same test again and again for weeks to learn how to get the best result. This was purely to get the drivers that would be driving during the official tests to max their scores. So well within the rules. But totally unrealistic in terms of everyday driver performance.
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No if you bought used you can still claim
Vehicle Emissions Claims | Diesel Vehicle Claims | Leigh Day
If you're a diesel vehicle owner, you could join our emissions claim. No-win, no-fee! Claim today with Leigh Day. Call 020 7650 1200 to find out more.
Wow! A ten owner vehicle is going to cost them then!
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Why? Just complying with the rule that required x emissions when statically tested. No other requirement.
No they complied legally with what the rules were at the time.
As above, why?
Then those who made the rules are to blame for not ensuring that it was a real world test.
The only scamming is those who are claiming for what?
Why would there be any?
The stipulation was X emissions when tested. Nothing else.
Yes, they got the right answers in a test. But they achieved that by deliberately circumnavigating the testing process, it was cheating. And those cheats meant the vehicles were emitting far more pollutants than anticipated, which cost people their health. There were consequences.
Jim
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They were culpable too. But it doesn't absolve the car makers who went out their way to scam everyone by manipulating the testing
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Just a word in defence of the “ambulance chasing lawyers”.
They are the ones taking the risk and incurring the cost on this without any risk to you.
Why the criticism?
If you don’t like it bring the claim yourself and see how you get on.
They are the ones taking the risk and incurring the cost on this without any risk to you.
Why the criticism?
If you don’t like it bring the claim yourself and see how you get on.
What’s the claim for......
If the companies cheated then criminal fine.......what is this compensation for, that people are claiming? Perhaps any ‘free money’ obtained could go towards charities that assist those with asthma, lung disease etc who are most likely those to have suffered?
If the companies cheated then criminal fine.......what is this compensation for, that people are claiming? Perhaps any ‘free money’ obtained could go towards charities that assist those with asthma, lung disease etc who are most likely those to have suffered?
Jim
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No they did not. Well not in the eyes of our High Court. And anyway, VW admitted the cheating back in 2015, so I've no idea why you think they legally applied rules
. Their CEO said later
I’m going to count up the number of diesel cars we’ve had since 2009.
Might make a nice sum.
Might make a nice sum.
Jim
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Because people were miss sold, whether it affected them directly or not matters not this day and age. It's the easy route to hurting the perpetrators.
As for directed compensation at those really affected, I agree wholeheartedly, it is too late for many. But I'm sure it would be better than compensating owners. See below for VW estimates.
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