Intelsat 907 Down

Anthony OysterTech said:
Quick update regarding the Amiko receivers - I'm being told that the BISS codes in these receivers are programmed for Intelsat 907 alone so it's most likely that a software patch is going to be required for the receiver to be able to decrypt the channels on Telstar 12. I'm not sure if the same goes for Icecrypt (or any other receivers) but I'll offer more advice on things hopefully before the end of the week.
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Hi Anthony, keep checking my system for updates but nothing yet. Any idea when Germany shall issue the update for Telstar12…thanks for all your help
 
Hi All,

After some experimentation and valuable assistance from Field Specialist Vansflyer we seem to have a working solution. If you have a Seeker or Target system, please email support@maxview.co.uk and they will send you the new update file. The Connect App has been updated with a new Telstar pack.

However, looking at the footprint maps, and reading some expat forums, it looks like reception isn't going to be as far south as Intelsat 901. I think in time as more people try and use Telstar 12V, we will get a feel for what works where. Obviously this thread is a good location to report on how they are getting on. One other important thing to note with our updates, is that we are locking on to a transponder on the Europe-Middle East beam which has a big footprint, not the North Sea beam which is heavily UK focussed that has the UK channels on. Therefore, just because you can get your system locked on, doesn't necessarily mean that you will get reception of the UK channels. Ideally, check everything in the UK before heading south if you are able to.

Regards,
Lee
 
stewartwebr said:
Hi Anthony, keep checking my system for updates but nothing yet. Any idea when Germany shall issue the update for Telstar12…thanks for all your help
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I've emailed for an update on this and will post any new information as soon as I get it.

Also, with regards to the Icecrypt/Amiko receivers I should have some news on that by Tuesday/Wednesday next week. Again, I'll post info as soon as I can.
 
Lee Rasberry said:
Hi All,

After some experimentation and valuable assistance from Field Specialist Vansflyer we seem to have a working solution. If you have a Seeker or Target system, please email support@maxview.co.uk and they will send you the new update file. The Connect App has been updated with a new Telstar pack.

However, looking at the footprint maps, and reading some expat forums, it looks like reception isn't going to be as far south as Intelsat 901. I think in time as more people try and use Telstar 12V, we will get a feel for what works where. Obviously this thread is a good location to report on how they are getting on. One other important thing to note with our updates, is that we are locking on to a transponder on the Europe-Middle East beam which has a big footprint, not the North Sea beam which is heavily UK focussed that has the UK channels on. Therefore, just because you can get your system locked on, doesn't necessarily mean that you will get reception of the UK channels. Ideally, check everything in the UK before heading south if you are able to.

Regards,
Lee
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Good morning Lee I’ve updated my Connect system and it now finds Telstar 12v and locks on , however when carrying out a blind scan with my Comag satellite receiver which has the BISS codes installed for Intelsat it displays approximately the same channel listings as Intelsat and stores them .
But I cannot view the channels - any ideas

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Neil S said:
Good morning Lee I’ve updated my Connect system and it now finds Telstar 12v and locks on , however when carrying out a blind scan with my Comag satellite receiver which has the BISS codes installed for Intelsat it displays approximately the same channel listings as Intelsat and stores them .
But I cannot view the channels - any ideas
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Neil S it's to do with how the receiver see's the channels. Somehow they've tricked receivers to think the services are unencrypted so it doesn't apply the codes to access the channels. It'll be Comag you'll need to speak to about that.
 
Afternoon all,

Small update on the satback channels. I've had some guys from Amiko using my dish setup to test the programs on Telstar 12 and, while they are able to download the channels with full signal strength and quality, there seems to be an issue with the Video pids. The audio for the channels will work however currently they cannot get a picture to be received so they've gone away to scratch heads and will come back to me when they have further info.
Also, they are under the impression that the signal will not stretch much more than halfway down France on an 85cm dish. I can't verify this at the moment however if and when the picture issues are sorted if there are any willing Guinea pigs out there I would grateful for feedback.
 
We have the Amiko box and Oyster V and are based in Calpe.
Once the oyster update is released and we can lock on then I will provide feedback.
Have a trip planned to northern Spain and Southern France in a few weeks so hopefully we will have some positive news.
 
We got an update today but it appears the update for locking to Telstar 12 was not included, we are still not locking on with our Oyster V

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Currently in Spain and trying to get Intelsat 907 with no luck after the last couple of days. Did a search on MHF and found this thread on Intelsat being no longer. I read with interest Anthonys input and have a couple of questions.
I have an oyster vision lll with an Avtex L188DRS. And an icecrypt Would I be able to use this system with an update to watch UK tv in Spain and France.
Thanks
 
theapples said:
Currently in Spain and trying to get Intelsat 907 with no luck after the last couple of days. Did a search on MHF and found this thread on Intelsat being no longer. I read with interest Anthonys input and have a couple of questions.
I have an oyster vision lll with an Avtex L188DRS. And an icecrypt Would I be able to use this system with an update to watch UK tv in Spain and France.
Thanks
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Satback on I907 is no more.
It has moved to Telstar at 15w.
It is now on a "north sea" beam, limiting its reception in Spain and south France.
Not helped by similar frequencies that are active on the "med beam", that "knocks out" the weaker "north sea"beam, the further south you go.
And the FEC of 9/10 does not help either.
And some receivers are struggling to "unlock" the channels on its new satellite, whereas they were fine on I907, due to small tech changes that have made.

So UKTV via sat options are align the Astra 2 28 east UKTV satellites and get what you can - in Spain you will not get the likes of BBC ITV C4 Fives UKTV and others on the "uk beam" on "small" dishes, as the signals are just not that strong enough. But you will get the channels on the european beam, ie new, shopping, god, and other non popular channels.

People are looking at the Kabelio system, from Switzerland. As swiss rebroadcasting laws are different to EU countries (apparently, you can rebraodcast anything that you can receive in Switzerland without permissions), they offer this service on Hotbird 13 (nice and easy reception acrosss all of Europe), that offers about 7 uk channels, amongst others. It needs a CAM (about 60e on amazon) to unlock the channels, for which the first 3 months are free, then you need to pay (150ish euros for a year). Using the Kabelio webpage, and a Swiss address (but I dont think they do anything at this address, just check it is a legit address).
 
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SKY tv is still receivable in Spain on the Astra 2 (Pan European Beam) I get a multitude of channels , Movies , Sport , SKY news , History and many more on my 85cm dish even down beyond Almeria but no BBC , ITV or the other mainstream free channels
But you have to subscribe
 
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Afternoon all,

Ok so as stated above by Satandpcguy there are a lot of unknowns about exactly how far the BBC Satback channels are going to work now however I have been told that the Amiko receiver software has been updated to allow the channels to function again using Telstar 12. You would need to contact whoever you purchased the unit from and they will send you a new update file however unfortunately I am still waiting for an update to the Oyster firmware to allow the system to lock onto Telstar 12. My apologies for this as I understand it's frustrating however I am chasing the manufacturers to fingers crossed it won't be too much longer.
As many have already noted, there was an update for the Oyster units last week however this did not include the Telstar 12 fix but when it's out I will be on here to post straight away.
With regard to the footprint, Satandpcguy is most probably spot on as usual but once the software is updated I can hopefully be a little more specific on operational range.
 
Hi all,

Oyster Command unit and Feature box software for Telstar 12 has rolled out this afternoon. Should simply be a case of updating and then just choose Telstar and your system should lock on now without issue.

Edit: I will be back in work Tuesday if anyone has any issues but this weekend it's bank holiday and Michael McIntyre live so I'm signing off for a break and a few jars! 🍻
Anything urgent PM me, I'll try and check in when I can.

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Where might we find the update for an Oyster 3?
 
Ninjabob said:
Where might we find the update for an Oyster 3?
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Oyster Vision III systems don't have an update but give us a call when you are with it and we can add the search parameter details into the unit manually.
 
Anthony OysterTech said:
Hi all,

Oyster Command unit and Feature box software for Telstar 12 has rolled out this afternoon. Should simply be a case of updating and then just choose Telstar and your system should lock on now without issue.

Edit: I will be back in work Tuesday if anyone has any issues but this weekend it's bank holiday and Michael McIntyre live so I'm signing off for a break and a few jars! 🍻
Anything urgent PM me, I'll try and check in when I can.
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Just a quick update on Telstar12.
I downloaded the latest update and for the last week have been mooching around France.
Astra 2 has been fine with reception for BBC/ITV and 4/5 right down as far Montauban.
No joy with Telstar12 at all and we are currently just north of Tulle in the Correze.
We are now heading South so will try again in about 7 weeks when we do our annual visit to the UK.
 
rico said:
Just a quick update on Telstar12.
I downloaded the latest update and for the last week have been mooching around France.
Astra 2 has been fine with reception for BBC/ITV and 4/5 right down as far Montauban.
No joy with Telstar12 at all and we are currently just north of Tulle in the Correze.
We are now heading South so will try again in about 7 weeks when we do our annual visit to the UK.
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Hi rico thanks for the information. Just out of curiosity, if you're using an Oyster system, did the dish lock on to Telstar 12 even though the channels didn't come through?
 
Anthony OysterTech said:
Hi rico thanks for the information. Just out of curiosity, if you're using an Oyster system, did the dish lock on to Telstar 12 even though the channels didn't come through?
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We are using OysterV which goes through a search pattern and several times gave an indication that it had found the satellite but we assume that the signal is not strong enough as it does not optimise or lock on.
The app shows the progress of the 📡 but after a while then just comes up with a message Stopped.
Locks onto Astra2 in Spain and France virtually straight away.

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Anthony OysterTech said:
Hi rico thanks for the information. Just out of curiosity, if you're using an Oyster system, did the dish lock on to Telstar 12 even though the channels didn't come through?
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Hi Anthony Anthony OysterTech i can confirm my Oyster V locks onto Telstar12 after I did the recent update and the signal and quality strengths are very good (Iam currently in the uk)
 
After updating my Oyster V it locked onto Telstar fine in Le Crotoy France. However, no channels found when scanned using Technomate 5402. I’m not sure if there’s a patch been issued for the Technomate yet? However, when In Rothenberg ob der Tauber Germany last week the Oyster would not locate Telstar
 
rico said:
We are using OysterV which goes through a search pattern and several times gave an indication that it had found the satellite but we assume that the signal is not strong enough as it does not optimise or lock on.
The app shows the progress of the 📡 but after a while then just comes up with a message Stopped.
Locks onto Astra2 in Spain and France virtually straight away.
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Ok this signal is weird! I have a customer currently in Calp, Costa Blanca who says the Oyster is locking on to Telstar 12 but their receiver is not receiving enough signal to display any channels. The frequency the Oyster is using to lock to the satellite is 11043 which is the frequency these channels broadcast from so, in theory, if the dish locks then you should get a signal. Do you have the latest software version on your Oyster? It should be 4,415,478
 
Anthony OysterTech said:
Ok this signal is weird! I have a customer currently in Calp, Costa Blanca who says the Oyster is locking on to Telstar 12 but their receiver is not receiving enough signal to display any channels. The frequency the Oyster is using to lock to the satellite is 11043 which is the frequency these channels broadcast from so, in theory, if the dish locks then you should get a signal. Do you have the latest software version on your Oyster? It should be 4,415,478
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That's bizarre as we also live in Calpe.
Am travelling back now so will try again when we are home.
Have not had any luck at all in France also checked software and latest version showing.
Let you know on Monday if I have had any luck.

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Anthony OysterTech said:
Ok this signal is weird! I have a customer currently in Calp, Costa Blanca who says the Oyster is locking on to Telstar 12 but their receiver is not receiving enough signal to display any channels. The frequency the Oyster is using to lock to the satellite is 11043 which is the frequency these channels broadcast from so, in theory, if the dish locks then you should get a signal. Do you have the latest software version on your Oyster? It should be 4,415,478
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One possibility is that it is probably locking onto the correct signal, just that signal for that frequency in that area is coming in from the Med beam, and not the North Sea beam which has the uk channels on it! It may not show on all listings since it could just be a data feed.

Or maybe it is just about finding the frequency, but not getting enough signal to make any sense. Signalmeters can usually lock on with something like 4dBs...but for audio and visuals at least 6dBs is needed, and at least 7dBs for HD.

Edit : looking around internetland, seems quite a few "satfinders" in the south france, south and east spain have also been able to lock onto 11043, but when scanning, no satback channels...

Saw a report that in Alicante, near calpe, a 1.8m dish was just about getting the signals, with a 6.8dB level..so only just...I am about 70kms north and dont get anything on my 1.8m. In the same area, a report of a 1.2m prime focus dish that could not get 11043 V 44100.
 
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do you need any sort of patch or BISS codes to decipher the channels with a TECHNOMATE 5402 receiver
my Maxview Connect finds Telstar 15 easily but when I did a scan the channel listings were there but no picture
 
Thanks Anthony for the phone call today. Oyster 3 locks onto Telesat ok and a transponder scan on my Icecrypt pulls up all the channels but the picture is blank. Weirdly I did get a locked BBC picture for a matter of seconds then nothing I did would make it come back. The PIDs and everything looks correct and I believe the BISS code has not changed.
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Neil S said:
do you need any sort of patch or BISS codes to decipher the channels with a TECHNOMATE 5402 receiver
my Maxview Connect finds Telstar 15 easily but when I did a scan the channel listings were there but no picture
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The channel are encrypted, so you will need a patch to enable the BISS codes to be applied so the receiver can decode the channels.
 
Ninjabob said:
Thanks Anthony for the phone call today. Oyster 3 locks onto Telesat ok and a transponder scan on my Icecrypt pulls up all the channels but the picture is blank. Weirdly I did get a locked BBC picture for a matter of seconds then nothing I did would make it come back. The PIDs and everything looks correct and I believe the BISS code has not changed. View attachment 906415
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As Satandpcguy said to an above post, you need a patch for the channels which I can't help with. All I know is that when some receivers scan the channels they show as unencrypted so the receiver doesn't apply the codes automatically. The receiver needs to be told to use the codes and then they work.

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