Ineos Grenadier, what do we think of it

[Guigsy]

No need to have that spec in a Brit built Lanny. In every Defender/110 I've owned in the last 40 years; both footwells have leaked like buggary so the interior is always getting a nice wash/hose down.

I spent some time at the Solihull plant before the previous Defender was retired. All models went through the water test, which included a deep dip and a trundle through a tunnel that did a pressure wash from all sides. For the Range Rovers and Discovery, no water was allowed inside. For the Defender, it was a pass provided you stayed dry above the knees.

After the water test, there was a concrete ramp that they had to park on for a few seconds. I initially thought it was a handbrake test. It was to let the water back out.

 

[chaser]

I think they have missed the boat, how long can they make them before internal combustion is banned

 

[Jim]

I spent some time at the Solihull plant before the previous Defender was retired. All models went through the water test, which included a deep dip and a trundle through a tunnel that did a pressure wash from all sides. For the Range Rovers and Discovery, no water was allowed inside. For the Defender, it was a pass provided you stayed dry above the knees.

After the water test, there was a concrete ramp that they had to park on for a few seconds. I initially thought it was a handbrake test. It was to let the water back out.

If it rains hard, you get a saturated right foot.If it rains a little it's just an annoying drip onto the top of your foot and shin. But you're right, that British built quality always ensures my knees stay dry

 

[Bubba]

Bragging rights.
Our daughter is a robotics engineer and did all the programming for all the welding robots on the Ineos.
OK, carry on. Bragging over.

 

[bobnick]

Defender and Grenadier both use BMW engines and ZF gearboxes.

Yes the relatively modern ones.

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[1ten]

I've had quite a few Defenders and been watching this very closely.
I really fancy one but the 5 seat commercial has under a 1 tonne payload which i think will qualify for company car tax and not as a commercial.
If I'm wrong I may well become an owner.

 

[TDub49]

French built hiding under a false flag. Just don't buy it.

 

[philann]

French built hiding under a false flag. Just don't buy it.

Is it better to have a British built car with the profits going to Japanese companies (Nissan, Toyota) or German (Mini, Bentley, Rolls Royce) or India (Jaguar, LandRover) or a French built car with the profits going to a British company (Ineos)?
I don’t really know.

 

[mofurt]

Bearing in mind Ineos is 2/3 owned by Jim Ratcliffe, the prominent B word promoter, who was so pleased that went through that he is now resident in Monaco to save himself an estimated 4 billion in tax (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jim_Ratcliffe), much of the engineering is done by Magna Steyr in Austria, the engine is BMW, the build is now being done in France rather than Wales, I'm struggling to see how this is British, to be honest.

At least some of the JLR products are still being built here, and most (all?) of the design is done here.

 

[Guigsy]

At least some of the JLR products are still being built here, and most (all?) of the design is done here.

Sorry... quite a lot of the engineering design is now outsourced to Tata.

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[Bustup15]

I've had quite a few Defenders and been watching this very closely.
I really fancy one but the 5 seat commercial has under a 1 tonne payload which i think will qualify for company car tax and not as a commercial.
If I'm wrong I may well become an owner.

See extract from the brochure

 

[Guigsy]

2.7t just seems ridiculous. That's pretty much the same as my a-class.

 

[mofurt]

Sorry... quite a lot of the engineering design is now outsourced to Tata.

But there is still a lot in the UK - looking at who/where they are recruiting shows that's still active.

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[philann]

It’s pretty much the same as the old 110 defender
Payload weights for an hardtop are, (according to the handbook)
2.5 petrol 871kg
2.5 Diesel 839kg
3.5 petrol 875kg

 

[Guigsy]

It’s pretty much the same as the old 110 defender
Payload weights for an hardtop are, (according to the handbook)
2.5 petrol 871kg
2.5 Diesel 839kg
3.5 petrol 875kg

Which was a heavy beast! Most trucks that are similarly capable for most purposes, are less than 2t and can carry more.

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[mofurt]

Is it better to have a British built car with the profits going to Japanese companies (Nissan, Toyota) or German (Mini, Bentley, Rolls Royce) or India (Jaguar, LandRover) or a French built car with the profits going to a British company (Ineos)?
I don’t really know.

Thinking a bit more about this, it's probably better for the vehicle to be built in the country than the final profits residing there.
If you are building it, there's all the employees taking money and feeding that into the local economy. There's all the support staff (canteen, cleaners, guards...) doing the same. There'll be a network of local suppliers feeding in to it, providing specialist services and components.
All of those people and companies will be buying local services and goods (shopping in local shops, using local tradesmen).

That probably does more for the country than the profits (a much smaller amount of money than the costs) going in to some fancy tax avoidance scheme before being distributed to shareholders. Obviously it's not quite that simple (shareholders spend money too, pension schemes invest in companies etc.). But that's ignoring the fact that in this particular case 2/3 of Ineos is owned by a single bloke who takes the money out of the country so the effect of other investors receiving funds is diluted.

 

[Bustup15]

How much! £45k

Crappy picture but as close as I could get and through the window

 

[Landy Andy]

How much! £45k

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Crappy picture but as close as I could get and through the window

And won’t be deprecating.

 

[spikehcm681]

I do wonde about the roof top switches in practical use.

Can you look up at the switches and keep an eye on the road?

Our Transit Tourneo (8 seater) has the rear passenger Aircon controls on the roof - slightly behind the driver. Because they are "dials" they're easy to use.

 

[1ten]

I think all of the switches on the roof panel are to do with off road equipment, diff locks and the like

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[PhilMary]

Bragging rights.
Our daughter is a robotics engineer and did all the programming for all the welding robots on the Ineos.
OK, carry on. Bragging over.

Next generation eh? I was part of Design Team both at Solihull and Brown Ln when we installed semi-automatic spot welders, '75/'76 I think.
Robots building cars, what next?

 

[Ridgeway]

Saw these today:

Defender/G Wagon love child, but looked great !

 

[Wack]

Next generation eh? I was part of Design Team both at Solihull and Brown Ln when we installed semi-automatic spot welders, '75/'76 I think.
Robots building cars, what next?

Robots driving them

 

[andy63]

Saw these today:

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Defender/G Wagon love child, but looked great !

Nearly as good looking as this handsome truck

 

[mitzimad]

If you want to get to remote spots use a landrover if you want to get back use a toyota

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[Landy Andy]

Everytime guaranteed.

Mine has got me in and out of everywhery, and recovering a few bits of Jap crap whilst doing it.

 

[bobnick]

Had range Rovers in all sorts of guises over the years, for Christ sake i raced through deserts for 15 years in them, i away's finished, and occasionally on the podium. We have a Range Rover Now, a Velar P300S, 4 years old and not one issue with it, apart from the top screen not tilting forward.........oh crap build RR. Bollocks. Had Land Cruisers and Patrols along the way also. The RRs have been no less unreliable than any other 4x4 i have owned.
The new Grenadiers have the makings and mechanicals' to be equally if not better than the Landy's.
Nostalgia can blind some people.

 

[Guigsy]

Had range Rovers in all sorts of guises over the years, for Christ sake i raced through deserts for 15 years in them, i away's finished, and occasionally on the podium. We have a Range Rover Now, a Velar P300S, 4 years old and not one issue with it, apart from the top screen not tilting forward.........oh crap build RR. Bollocks. Had Land Cruisers and Patrols along the way also. The RRs have been no less unreliable than any other 4x4 i have owned.
The new Grenadiers have the makings and mechanicals' to be equally if not better than the Landy's.
Nostalgia can blind some people.

Velar... When they proposed it, I never thought Range Rover buyers would accept it. It's a lightly modified Jag XE chassis.

 

[bobnick]

Velar... When they proposed it, I never thought Range Rover buyers would accept it. It's a lightly modified Jag XE chassis.

Driven a XE, i see, feel and experiance absolutely no relation to the Velar. The research i did i saw no reference to the two.

 

[Guigsy]

Driven a XE, i see, feel and experiance absolutely no relation to the Velar. The research i did i saw no reference to the two.

They are built in the same body shop (or were until the XE was copied over to Castle Bromwich). The floor pans for the XE, F Pace and Velar are almost identical. F Pace is an XE with a taller body. Velar is an F Pace with air suspension.

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