If I died in France is it illegal for my wife to drive to uk with me in the bed and then report it

[PeterCarole29]

As the title says really although it is more likely the other way round but thought it better I used it as the example
I have looked on the internet and only found what if you don’t report a death within 5days
Of course there could be many sinario s that would change the answer but simply if a person died naturally in the motor home in France and driven to the uk and then reported saving a lot of hassle have you broken the law

 

[Nanniemate]

Only been on a cruise once and I hated it. I drank so much it is a miracle I survived

Im With you butlins on a boat. They are taking over from the all inclusive .no.longer the domain of the rich and glamorous

 

[Gina M]

Lots of elderly Americans cruse because the health care on board is included and its clear than on land

The cruise I was on was mainly elderly or disabled and they were treated with great care and clearly loved it and the staff were brilliant with them, just not for me being so much younger but maybe when I am ninety I will do it again (if I am lucky enough to live that long)

 

[Brains]

You may find passport control a bit tricky as my experience is they want to see all passengers.

Unless you removed the other person from the travel group.

But that may raise a question

My sister died abroad after a short illness.
She decided the funeral should be there.

But I was told by the British Consul that had she/we wanted her repatriated, then she would need her passport to get back into the UK !

 

[Brains]

Im With you butlins on a boat. They are taking over from the all inclusive .no.longer the domain of the rich and glamorous

Very much depends on the cruise company and cruise ship
My mother went on a number of cruises in the 1990's/2000's.
She had a strict limit of maximum 200 passengers, ideally a lot less.

She went all over the world, both Arctic and Antarctic on ships with between 12 and 30 passengers.
It may have been a lot of things, but Butlins it ain't!

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[RobbyMClark]

Your Honour I didn't know he was dead he is always stiff

Lucky you

 

[sedge]

Where I worked (we were still in the EU at the time) we did certain insurances for an EU wide network of funeral directors and as in the UK hen they need to transport the deceased from A to B, they work together to do this smoothly and get all the necessary paperwork sorted between themselves so it doesn't fall to the bereaved to try understanding all the strange paperwork. It's just a wider version of exactly what happens when you live in Bedworth but meet your end in Skeggy or Swanage. Let's say it was Skye and they can't get the body back to Hacketts in one day - whoever handles it in Scotland will make arrangements for the deceased to spend the night at a funeral director's on the way, then that next one will usually transport them further the next day, etc. Most undertakers can only transport 'so far', not sure if it's just the limits of their home county, or further.

 

[Nanniemate]

Where I worked (we were still in the EU at the time) we did certain insurances for an EU wide network of funeral directors and as in the UK hen they need to transport the deceased from A to B, they work together to do this smoothly and get all the necessary paperwork sorted between themselves so it doesn't fall to the bereaved to try understanding all the strange paperwork. It's just a wider version of exactly what happens when you live in Bedworth but meet your end in Skeggy or Swanage. Let's say it was Skye and they can't get the body back to Hacketts in one day - whoever handles it in Scotland will make arrangements for the deceased to spend the night at a funeral director's on the way, then that next one will usually transport them further the next day, etc. Most undertakers can only transport 'so far', not sure if it's just the limits of their home county, or further.

I think its down to cost and time if it's a long distance loosingva driver and vehicle for days is not viable to many.
Many years ago to bring my aunt home to Wales from Essex it was the charge.of transporting a body through every county that surprised us.
It was also 2 vehicles as her sister then in her 90s, insisted on travelling with her.
The funeral director agreed reluctantly as this meant hurse not van and slower in transit.
When they stopped at the services. My aunty asked if the were after 2 for 1 as if they drove much lower she be with.er sister.
Never forget the glint in her eye when she was telling us about the journey and a hurse and funeral car overtaking on the motorway a high speed and the loss on people's faces as they passed.
2 very gutsy ladies.

 

[PeterCarole29]

I have no further information to provide on this one. BUT...

I have to say this is the strangest question I have see on fun by a country mile. Can't see it being beaten for a while either.

Thankyou Gromett I’ll take the compliment
And for all that’s suspicious my wife is in good health but has been out foridging mushrooms which is a first and says it’s time I had a full English breakfast as we have been away in France and catch the ferry back Saturday

 

[andykim]

I used to stay in a guest house in Chepstow and another frequent guest was a fella who transported bodies around the uk and he used to plug his van in to keep the fridge working.

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[RobbyMClark]

Thankyou Gromett I’ll take the compliment
And for all that’s suspicious my wife is in good health but has been out foridging mushrooms which is a first and says it’s time I had a full English breakfast as we have been away in France and catch the ferry back Saturday

Do you think she really knows which are good and bad mushrooms - do you feel lucky.

 

[Phill D]

My sister died abroad after a short illness.
She decided the funeral should be there.

But I was told by the British Consul that had she/we wanted her repatriated, then she would need her passport to get back into the UK !

Seems logical now you mention that

 

[cyberyacht]

On holiday in the Caribbean and got chatting to some Americans at breakfast in the hotel. Asked them how long they had been here/staying and they said - just arrived yesterday to help Dad sort out Step mum who had died on a cruise ship. Apparently it's quite a common thing to happen on cruises! They have a morgue.

Also, it was the 2nd wife that her Dad had 'lost'.

To lose one wife is unfortunate. To lose two is careless. Almost Oscar Wilde

 

[cyberyacht]

I wonder what the regulations are for having a local cremation and bringing the ashes home yourself. Must save on repatriation costs.

 

[HKF]

If you get back to a British boat then as you try to wake her unsuccessfully ask the crew to call the purser and they take over

On the ferry becomes their problem make sure the boat has left anchor.

They'll quickly establish how long she's been dead, though, so that would fail.

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[Nanniemate]

They'll quickly establish how long she's been dead, though, so that would fail.

Depends on how often you check if someone is sleeping or dead

It's not something I do often when travelling

 

[Detnor]

People dying on cruise ships is not uncommon, in my time, we would average 1 a month when running a 7 night cruise pattern.
Process was person's name moved from passenger manifest to an additional appendix document to advise of death, this kept the numbers straight, then added to a cargo manifest as human remains. The passport had no relevence as obviously the individual couldn't present it. Proceedures for cargo were then followed. The same appendix to the manifest would be used for all other changes, passengers or crew who didn't reboard at a port for any reason, stowaways or 'jumpers'. We had a murder back in 1986, as I recall, the police in Miami were in charge, and I don't think anything was notified anywhere.
Not unheard of for a relative to ask if they were entitled to a refund for the portion of the cruise not being taken by the deceased, normally countered by advising of the cargo rate.
Between 1985 and 1988 I was on a ship that started life in 1944 as a military transport ship bringing US troops back from Europe, it was suprising the number of requests for ashes to be scattered at sea for men who had returned on the ship.
9 months on and three months off, like a big funster rally all the time.

 

[HKF]

Depends on how often you check if someone is sleeping or dead

It's not something I do often when travelling

But the question was;

If I died in France is it illegal for my wife to drive to uk with me in the bed and then report it​

So, either;

1. She died in the bed and is still in the bed while the MH is being driven back to the UK (illegal for a start, as each passenger must be in a seat with a seat belt), or
2. She died elsewhere and was put in the bed to be driven back (where it would probably be established that the body had been moved and, in any event, we're back to the illegality of travelling without being belted in).

So, either way, it's illegal because it's illegal to have a passenger in a MH without being belted in and it's illegal to move a dead body (unless you're licenced to do so)

 

[Brains]

I wonder what the regulations are for having a local cremation and bringing the ashes home yourself. Must save on repatriation costs.

It does! Substantially.
Repatriation, even from Calais, starts at about £5k and goes up from there.

We organised a funeral in the Czech Republic, the entire event, including the wake for around 40 people, cost about £3k.
(All paid in paper cash, I got a discount for paying in a mixture of £pounds and €uros!)

18 months later we did an almost exact repeat performance in Cornwall. Cost was about £15k

The only issue in the Czech Republic was getting the paperwork sorted as everything official had to be done in Czech and English, but the British Embassy were very good about it and helpful.
The main issue was my sister had died after a short illness at her home in Prague.
No one dies at home in the Czech Republic. (She was very anti-hospitals)
So it became a police matter, the policeman that attended said in 35 years it was only the second death at home he had ever attended.

Legally you are not allowed to bring back ashes without declaring them (as they are 'human remains')
However we just had a few scatter tubes in our luggage, no one questioned it.

 

[gus-lopez]

yes it does seem suspicious but who would plan such a thing then publish on a public forum

As said ,the double bluff!

If you get back to a British boat then as you try to wake her unsuccessfully ask the crew to call the purser and they take over

On the ferry becomes their problem make sure the boat has left anchor.

sounds like you have form?

I wonder what the regulations are for having a local cremation and bringing the ashes home yourself. Must save on repatriation costs.

no problem.Here you can be cremated for well under 500€. to my knowledge only the passport would have to be surrendered to the tanatorio for registering death & returning to country of citizenship.

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[Wonders]

I wonder what the regulations are for having a local cremation and bringing the ashes home yourself. Must save on repatriation costs.

Hope so cos that's my backup plan for if and when I snuff it when touring in Europe.
Same plan for the wife too I must tell her.

 

[stevewagner]

Only authorised people are allowed to transport a dead body.

Not in the UK

 

[pagey]

If I felt like you seem to feel I would go to Holland and give france a miss

 

[HKF]

Not in the UK

That's true but only after the authorities have been notified of the death.

In this thread, the discussion was about transporting a dead body before notifying authorities.

 

[andykim]

They'll quickly establish how long she's been dead, though, so that would fail.

"I thought she was unusually quiet"

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[Holly's mum]

I wonder what the regulations are for having a local cremation and bringing the ashes home yourself. Must save on repatriation costs.

My parents travelled a lot in their later life and we were always told that if they died whilst abroad then we should have them cremated in the country they died in and then bring their ashes back, it would have been a lot simpler for us. Sadly neither are still with us but fortunately neither of them died abroad.

 

[PeterCarole29]

I wonder what the regulations are for having a local cremation and bringing the ashes home yourself. Must save on repatriation costs.

You just need a letter from the funeral director for the airline or authority
If you want to conform

 

[namwaldog]

True story this...

Some friends of ours had a villa in Spain that they used for holidays.
I'll call them Jack and Jill to keep them anonymous!
One afternoon they were out in the hills with their Brit reg car when they saw another Brit reg car askew at the side of the road. There was a lady outside the car waving her arms in the air.
Jack and Jill stopped and the woman was crying uncontrollably, saying that she thought her husband had died at the wheel of the car. Jack had a quick look and thought "Yes, he looks dead" so what to do now?

Bear in mind this was prior to mobile phones and long before Political Correctness!

The woman couldn't drive and explained they were touring Spain and had booked into a hotel on the coast but couldn't remember the name. Jack's first thought was to return to civilisation and contact the authorities but who would stay with the deceased?

After a bit of discussion it was decided that they would move the deceased into the passenger seat and Jack would drive the car into the hospital in town, with Jill and the woman following.
They did this for a short distance but the deceased kept falling sideways out of the seatbelt and against Jack who was trying to drive a, strange to him, car.
They then decided that it would then be better to put the deceased in the boot of the car and carry on down to the hospital.

This went well for a while until Jill flashed her lights for Jack to stop and explained that the woman was becoming increasingly anxious and acting strangely as though perhaps she was going to collapse. They then decided that Jill would go ahead with the woman to the hospital in case she was going to collapse and prewarn the hospital that Jack was following behind with the husband who was thought to be dead.

As they approached the town, Jack said he suddenly realised that he was driving in a car that wasn't his and he had an unidentified dead body in the boot. He said he never felt so scared and uncomfortable in his life.

He eventually reached the hospital where he met up again with Jill and the woman who was by now feeling a little better.
The hospital pronounced the man dead and removed him from the car. After giving statements to the Police, Jack and Jill were allowed to return to their Villa.

Jack swore to us that everything happened as he said and that he was badly shaken for quite a while.

As said, Jack always maintained the story was true... but we'll never know!!

 

[SmithsInFrance]

Edith Piaf died in the south of France but wanted to be buried in Paris, so her people hired an ambulance, put her in it connected to a drip and with a nurse to accompany her and she was driven to Paris where she was then officially declared dead.
At the time it wasn’t allowed to transfer bodies from one département to another I believe

 

[Bailey58]

Edith Piaf died in the south of France but wanted to be buried in Paris, so her people hired an ambulance, put her in it connected to a drip and with a nurse to accompany her and she was driven to Paris where she was then officially declared dead.
At the time it wasn’t allowed to transfer bodies from one département to another I believe

No Regrets then?

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[Nanniemate]

My parents travelled for a short-time without insurance. The agreement was that they would die rather than being ill as it was less expensive to cremate than to pay hospital bills.

Both now gone both died in the UK it had always been understood in the family that a body would not be brought back.

Same goes for my generation unnecessary to bring a body back. But we all agree that we would prefer to ho at the end of the holiday as it would be a shame to miss out on one last living adventure