IAN and HELGA,,ONWARDS and UPWARDS!!

Like your financial advisor chaser says, you’re too generous by far Ian.
Strip everything out of Helga that you might need or can sell.
The buyers are buying the vehicle not a complete lifestyle.

Surely you are going to need plates, cutlery, cups etc for the flat, at least to get you set up for a while.

Richard.
 
ianthebuilder said:
whats the difference jj?
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It is far harder to learn to stick weld than use a mig. best type of mig is with gas. You can learn how to use it in a short time reasonablyeasily. If welding thin wall tube or box section it is extremly hard not to blow holes stick welding, unless you know what you are doing, even then it is still far easier with a mig welder.
 
Do not buy a stick welder for light weight box section you would be better using a mig
Do not waste time with a gas less as they are useless.
If you want to learn to weld nip to a local night school collage
Plenty have welding courses at very little cost some even have grants
A decent mig £4-500 new +gas hobby bottle for a diy would do
Professional migs are much more but they are for constant use.

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ianthebuilder said:
whats the difference jj?
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I did explain in our conversation mails about M.I.G welders, as I said car repairers use M.I.G. for the thinner panels, it does have it's difficulties, ie. the parent metals have to be totally clean and the earth has to be equally connected to both parts being welded as M.I.G welding does suffer from lack of sidewall fusion,
(meaning the welding arc will take the easy path and can just butter up to one side rather than fuse).

You need an inert gas to protect the molten metals during welding so M.I.G. unless well screened from the wind the welds can suffer from porosity.
My preference would be manual metal arc so much more usable with one simple bit of kit.
 
KEEP the cutlery & crockery it will be a good start in the flat.
Then you can replace at leisure and get stuff you really want/like rather than just getting because you need!
Don't forget money is like water, it runs away very quickly and it’s difficult to find the hole it runs out of!
 
I think you need to aim to have £10,000 left in the bank after you have kitted out your flat. This money is for dire emergencies only, in case you’re ill and can’t work or something! Use stuff you’ve got, replace with new when you earn more, buying fro Ebay and charity shops. Sell stuff you don’t need - don’t give it away. If you’re careful now, you can give full reign to your generous nature when you’re set up, cos I know you love to give to people. Keep posting on here, being generous with your time and cheering us all up, but for now, be careful with your money until you are sorted. Make it a challenge! We call outr bungalow the house that ebay built, and we’re proud of that! ?
 
Stonemags76 said:
I think you need to aim to have £10,000 left in the bank after you have kitted out your flat. This money is for dire emergencies only, in case you’re ill and can’t work or something! Use stuff you’ve got, replace with new when you earn more, buying fro Ebay and charity shops. Sell stuff you don’t need - don’t give it away. If you’re careful now, you can give full reign to your generous nature when you’re set up, cos I know you love to give to people. Keep posting on here, being generous with your time and cheering us all up, but for now, be careful with your money until you are sorted. Make it a challenge! We call outr bungalow the house that ebay built, and we’re proud of that! ?
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i will not waste a penny mags,,

Ive booked a Russian hooker for the 4th jan, and she’s taking me to her brothers casino! I’ll be fine!! Xxx
 
Stonemags76 said:
I think you need to aim to have £10,000 left in the bank after you have kitted out your flat. This money is for dire emergencies only, in case you’re ill and can’t work or something! Use stuff you’ve got, replace with new when you earn more, buying fro Ebay and charity shops. Sell stuff you don’t need - don’t give it away. If you’re careful now, you can give full reign to your generous nature when you’re set up, cos I know you love to give to people. Keep posting on here, being generous with your time and cheering us all up, but for now, be careful with your money until you are sorted. Make it a challenge! We call outr bungalow the house that ebay built, and we’re proud of that! ?
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I remember telling him almost the same thing 3 years ago :doh: :doh::doh: a fat lot of good it did;):xsad:

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Please, please, please Ian don't leave MHF when you no longer have a home on wheels.

You have brightened this forum since joining and your threads are the first ones I look for.
We haven't got a motorhome but eventually will. It's probably 25 years since we had our last one and I joined here to get the knowledge from those on here and have become hooked.

I hope I can give little bits of info to others from our experiences of having a second home in France for 17 years.

MHF without Ian the builder is unthinkable.
 
Just had a read through. For box use MIG, it's easy enough to learn and you can buy decent chineseium inverter welders on ebay for cheap enough.

Also I would never use a MIG welder on thin sheet or body panels. 100% use TIG or Gas welding with no filler rod. (but that's takes alot of practice)

MIG welding adds metal to the panel that's needs to be ground off, also MIG welds are very hard, cause huge amounts of distortion and you will not be able to planish it out due to the hardness of the weld.

TIG no filler rod and the weld is soft, you don't need to do any grinding and you can planish out any distortion very easily.

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MANGOFORTH said:
Just had a read through. For box use MIG, it's easy enough to learn and you can buy decent chineseium inverter welders on ebay for cheap enough.

Also I would never use a MIG welder on thin sheet or body panels. 100% use TIG or Gas welding with no filler rod. (but that's takes alot of practice)

MIG welding adds metal to the panel that's needs to be ground off, also MIG welds are very hard, cause huge amounts of distortion and you will not be able to planish it out due to the hardness of the weld.

TIG no filler rod and the weld is soft, you don't need to do any grinding and you can planish out any distortion very easily.

?
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I don't know where you have gained your knowledge from but my thoughts would be, T.I.G. (Tungsten Inert Gas) welding is really just an electric alternative to Gas welding, though unlike Gas Welding when using T.I.G the parent metals have to be scrupulously clean as there is no cleaning process from the arc, unless you are welding aluminum or magnesium where the current is switched from D.C. to A.C. as for not using filler rods why would you not?

A M.I.G. weld is no harder than any other sort of welding, the difference in using M.I.G is the heat is more localised, hence why body repairers using it for stitch welding panels, Gas welding would produce much more heat hence the welder using chiller bars to keep the heat local.

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Afternoon,,,

well after a dodgy start to the day, the suns out,, and it’s not too bad!

emptied all the tools from Helgas lockers, into the old van, and only a few bits to do,,

I had a message from a funster and I’ve sold the little generator,, started first time, after a year, and runs really smoothly, and really quiet,, so I’m glad someone’s gonna get some use from her!

I still haven’tseen the boss yet, to arrange standby of his tractor, but I think he’s working today, sent a text so I hope to see him later,, if it doesn’t rain tonight. Then tomorrow might be a good day to try and move!

had a call from jo baker, ( who I did work for in Spain) and she’s now managing a refuge, for a private company,, but she told me a very interesting story,,, this happened yesterday!!!

A mean looking bloke, bald, tattooed and all round monster knocked on the refuge door yesterday,, the deputy manager answered, stepping outside to chat to him, he said, I would like to donate something to the refuge , for Xmas,,, that’s very nice she said, but you must understand, this is a woman’s refuge and I can’t let you in, you may know people in here, and it would make them uncomfortable!!

I understand he said,, but the only reason I know it’s a refuge is because when I was 15 I was in here with my mum!!

when she heard that she went back inside and told jo what’s happening,,, ok jo said, bring him into the kitchen and we can have a cuppa and a chat!!

he went in, sat down, and when he got his brew he proceeded to tell his story, to jo the asst and a few of the residents!!

It was a sad story, but that’s life, he said,,,

many way, he said he used to be a professional boxer, had done pretty well, invested his money into a few businesses, which were doing ok!

they were all chatting and he asked them what they were doing for Xmas,a couple of the girls, staff said that they all wanted to go out to a club for the night, disco or whatever, but the only good one in the area, had a waiting list and they couldn’t get in!

with that, the bloke pulled his phone out, took the girls names, made a call and within five mins all the girls had free entry, meal, and free drinks for the night in the club!!

It turns out,, he was the owner!!
they all had a brilliant night, and they all got well looked after!! Now not only did he do that, he also went back to the refuge this Morning, and gave all the remaining staff a good bottle of wine, each and then he gave all the women ( or he gave them to jo to hand out) a gift wrapped bottle of givenchy ( I think it was that) women’s perfume,,, and there are 38 women!!!!

now that is a nice bloke!! And the asst managaress admitted that when she first stepped outside to talk to him, he looked menacing, and she thought it was a bloke of one of the women in there, and he was gonna be a handful!! Just goes to show eh!!

from personal experience,, I know there are some smashingly genuine people about!!

god bless him!!

now that’s a nice story!! Xxxx
 
Never judge a book by it's cover.

Early in my Mum's alzheimers she went walkabout in the night. The first volunteers to go look for her were a bunch of "hells angels" look-alikes that would have had you crossing the road. They found her a few hours later before she froze.
 
Well I’ve had the boss on the phone,, he’s working tomorrow, but if I can get Helga ready for moving about 3 then he can bring the tractor down if reqd!
There’s a good hard standing area by the shower block, so I’m good there!
That means I can drive away easily for some gas, diesel and anything else! Bonus,,Also I can give her a good clean and polish, and not sink up to my ankles in mud!! Xxx

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robnchris said:
I don't know where you have gained your knowledge from but my thoughts would be, T.I.G. (Tungsten Inert Gas) welding is really just an electric alternative to Gas welding, though unlike Gas Welding when using T.I.G the parent metals have to be scrupulously clean as there is no cleaning process from the arc, unless you are welding aluminum or magnesium where the current is switched from D.C. to A.C. as for not using filler rods why would you not?

A M.I.G. weld is no harder than any other sort of welding, the difference in using M.I.G is the heat is more localised, hence why body repairers using it for stitch welding panels, Gas welding would produce much more heat hence the welder using chiller bars to keep the heat local.
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Well I would say cleanliness is very important on MIG TIG and Gas.

I also agree that TIG and Gas are very similar that's why I said use either rather than MIG.

Just talking regarding body panels here, you are correct in saying when MIG welding the heat is much more localised. But that's its downfall. It cools much quicker and becomes very hard and brittle. When planishing a ground back mig weld you will have much more work to do, if you don't crack it.

You see going to get distortion when welding 0.8mm sheet whatever method you use. Use the option that makes rectifying the distortion easiest....TIG.

Also by not using a filler rod your are reducing the amount of amps you need to put into it, therefore reducing heat. Also you don't need to do any grinding. Just weld, hammer, done.

Give me two flat pieces of steel/aluminium, a TIG welder, a hammer and dolly. And I'll give you one flat piece back.

Experience, 10+ years of panel beating and body panel fabrication ?

The reason modern body shops use MIG as standard is its easy and quick. As a rule I never worked for a bodyshop if they didn't use TIG welders.

P. S I'm no welding snob I use a MIG welder all the time.

Found this, puts it better than I did.
grassrootsmotorsports.com

MIG vs. TIG fundamentals: What you need to know

The ability to fuse pieces of bare metal opens up a whole new world of fabricating possibilities. There’s more than one way to weld, however. To TIG or to MIG?
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SteveRallye said:
I have just read your thread on the generous boxer, it gives a lot of credance to never judge a book by its cover. .Enjoy
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yes Steve, jo rang and told me this afternoon,, your right mate,, and everybody has a story to tell,, and people would love to tell you,,all we have to do is listen!! I’ve heard some amazing stories, from all walks of life! Xx
 
MANGOFORTH said:
Well I would say cleanliness is very important on MIG TIG and Gas.

I also agree that TIG and Gas are very similar that's why I said use either rather than MIG.

Just talking regarding body panels here, you are correct in saying when MIG welding the heat is much more localised. But that's its downfall. It cools much quicker and becomes very hard and brittle. When planishing a ground back mig weld you will have much more work to do, if you don't crack it.

You see going to get distortion when welding 0.8mm sheet whatever method you use. Use the option that makes rectifying the distortion easiest....TIG.

Also by not using a filler rod your are reducing the amount of amps you need to put into it, therefore reducing heat. Also you don't need to do any grinding. Just weld, hammer, done.

Give me two flat pieces of steel/aluminium, a TIG welder, a hammer and dolly. And I'll give you one flat piece back.

Experience, 10+ years of panel beating and body panel fabrication ?

The reason modern body shops use MIG as standard is its easy and quick. As a rule I never worked for a bodyshop if they didn't use TIG welders.

P. S I'm no welding snob I use a MIG welder all the time.

Found this, puts it better than I did.
grassrootsmotorsports.com

MIG vs. TIG fundamentals: What you need to know

The ability to fuse pieces of bare metal opens up a whole new world of fabricating possibilities. There’s more than one way to weld, however. To TIG or to MIG?
grassrootsmotorsports.com grassrootsmotorsports.com
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You and I could have an excellent evening's discussion over a pint and I would relish listening to another welders take on their experience.

Now M.I.G welding when welding thin plate as any method should be done in a stitch style, because the parent metals are thin you would have to weld at a greater pass speed than welding a thicker profile.
Using a stitch method controls the heat input, you don't want weld deposit build up thus evading the need to grind back, using T.I.G is just another heating medium, now welding without a filler rod takes you into the realm of not having any gaps in the fillet or butt welds, this in itself creates the problem of joint creep were the joint closes over itself thus creating a rippling distortion.

Mild steel melts at between 1380'c to 1550'c depending on it's carbon content, obviously the more carbon the more brittle the weld will be, now using M.I.G for thin sheet you would just stitch using a spot weld technique thus avoiding too much weld build up avoiding the need to grind back.

Now using T.I.G for this, first you strike the arc, a T.I.G arc has a soft start builds to the intensity to melt the parent metal, excellent off we go but as in any situation without using a filler rod the weld will only be both joint edges melting together leaving a concave appearance with very little weld penetration, which can only promote weld cracking, so why not use a filler rod to mask the heat, after all you need the initial setting to melt the parent metals.
Of course the choice of inert gas will affect the weld temp and weld appearance.

As for my welding experience, I was Lloyds tested ASME 9 coded, Stamp Number 777.
Still have my tools and stamps.
I served my time as a boilermaker in the Petro Chemical Industry, welding most of the exotic metals, Inconel, Monel, Hastelloy, Stainless steel, Copper, Bronze, Cast Iron, Mild Steel etc etc, plus Aluminum and it's many Alloys.
Oil and Gas pipelines sunk to the floor of the ocean and pipelines across the Russian Tundra, I don't proclaim any welding snobbery if there is such a thing, bloody hell you spend your working life with your head in a bucket but I have spent many a night stove welding root welds on a 48" pipeline with fleetwelds, welding up cracks in Cast Iron Compressor engine blocks and for a party trick using a gas torch to do a butt weld on the silver paper from an old cigarette packet, won a few pints doing that trick I can tell you.
 
I’m glad I didn’t want to learn anything about rocket science!!! Lololol.


good morning,,, Dry at present, but missog!!

I’m going to a place called the Range today,, I need a couple of suitcases, and a good hold-all,, it’s been a long time since I’ve had to pack clothes away,, all in readiness for my ( hopefull) move!!

I will be half packing Helga up, this afternoon, just to try to get off this field onto a hard standing area, so I will prob take the opportunity to pack some clothes away,,

I slept well, as usual,, and I think I’m going to get a firm mattress for my new bed, as and when,, I’ve found this mattress in Helga has been really good for my back, giving me no drama whatsoever, and it’s the firmest mattress I’ve ever had! I shall miss sleeping in Helga, with the rain gently tapping on the roof above me,, it’s been very relaxing!

just having tea now, and watching some dodgy Xmas movie on the Sony Chanel!!

hope your Sunday goes well,, catch up later! Xx

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ianthebuilder said:
I’m glad I didn’t want to learn anything about rocket science!!! Lololol.


good morning,,, Dry at present, but missog!!

I’m going to a place called the Range today,, I need a couple of suitcases, and a good hold-all,, it’s been a long time since I’ve had to pack clothes away,, all in readiness for my ( hopefull) move!!

I will be half packing Helga up, this afternoon, just to try to get off this field onto a hard standing area, so I will prob take the opportunity to pack some clothes away,,

I slept well, as usual,, and I think I’m going to get a firm mattress for my new bed, as and when,, I’ve found this mattress in Helga has been really good for my back, giving me no drama whatsoever, and it’s the firmest mattress I’ve ever had! I shall miss sleeping in Helga, with the rain gently tapping on the roof above me,, it’s been very relaxing!

just having tea now, and watching some dodgy Xmas movie on the Sony Chanel!!

hope your Sunday goes well,, catch up later! Xx
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Charity shop for cases,,couple of quid each and you can donate them back when you have finished with them IAN..Don't waste money.BUSBY.
 
ianthebuilder said:
I’m glad I didn’t want to learn anything about rocket science!!! Lololol.


good morning,,, Dry at present, but missog!!

I’m going to a place called the Range today,, I need a couple of suitcases, and a good hold-all,, it’s been a long time since I’ve had to pack clothes away,, all in readiness for my ( hopefull) move!!

I will be half packing Helga up, this afternoon, just to try to get off this field onto a hard standing area, so I will prob take the opportunity to pack some clothes away,,

I slept well, as usual,, and I think I’m going to get a firm mattress for my new bed, as and when,, I’ve found this mattress in Helga has been really good for my back, giving me no drama whatsoever, and it’s the firmest mattress I’ve ever had! I shall miss sleeping in Helga, with the rain gently tapping on the roof above me,, it’s been very relaxing!

just having tea now, and watching some dodgy Xmas movie on the Sony Chanel!!

hope your Sunday goes well,, catch up later! Xx
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You might still have water dripping on you ceiling after you move to your new apartment, it depends on the builder. Do you know any good builders?
Phil
 
MANGOFORTH said:
Well I would say cleanliness is very important on MIG TIG and Gas.

I also agree that TIG and Gas are very similar that's why I said use either rather than MIG.

Just talking regarding body panels here, you are correct in saying when MIG welding the heat is much more localised. But that's its downfall. It cools much quicker and becomes very hard and brittle. When planishing a ground back mig weld you will have much more work to do, if you don't crack it.

You see going to get distortion when welding 0.8mm sheet whatever method you use. Use the option that makes rectifying the distortion easiest....TIG.

Also by not using a filler rod your are reducing the amount of amps you need to put into it, therefore reducing heat. Also you don't need to do any grinding. Just weld, hammer, done.

Give me two flat pieces of steel/aluminium, a TIG welder, a hammer and dolly. And I'll give you one flat piece back.

Experience, 10+ years of panel beating and body panel fabrication ?

The reason modern body shops use MIG as standard is its easy and quick. As a rule I never worked for a bodyshop if they didn't use TIG welders.

P. S I'm no welding snob I use a MIG welder all the time.

Found this, puts it better than I did.
grassrootsmotorsports.com

MIG vs. TIG fundamentals: What you need to know

The ability to fuse pieces of bare metal opens up a whole new world of fabricating possibilities. There’s more than one way to weld, however. To TIG or to MIG?
grassrootsmotorsports.com grassrootsmotorsports.com
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robnchris said:
You and I could have an excellent evening's discussion over a pint and I would relish listening to another welders take on their experience.

Now M.I.G welding when welding thin plate as any method should be done in a stitch style, because the parent metals are thin you would have to weld at a greater pass speed than welding a thicker profile.
Using a stitch method controls the heat input, you don't want weld deposit build up thus evading the need to grind back, using T.I.G is just another heating medium, now welding without a filler rod takes you into the realm of not having any gaps in the fillet or butt welds, this in itself creates the problem of joint creep were the joint closes over itself thus creating a rippling distortion.

Mild steel melts at between 1380'c to 1550'c depending on it's carbon content, obviously the more carbon the more brittle the weld will be, now using M.I.G for thin sheet you would just stitch using a spot weld technique thus avoiding too much weld build up avoiding the need to grind back.

Now using T.I.G for this, first you strike the arc, a T.I.G arc has a soft start builds to the intensity to melt the parent metal, excellent off we go but as in any situation without using a filler rod the weld will only be both joint edges melting together leaving a concave appearance with very little weld penetration, which can only promote weld cracking, so why not use a filler rod to mask the heat, after all you need the initial setting to melt the parent metals.
Of course the choice of inert gas will affect the weld temp and weld appearance.

As for my welding experience, I was Lloyds tested ASME 9 coded, Stamp Number 777.
Still have my tools and stamps.
I served my time as a boilermaker in the Petro Chemical Industry, welding most of the exotic metals, Inconel, Monel, Hastelloy, Stainless steel, Copper, Bronze, Cast Iron, Mild Steel etc etc, plus Aluminum and it's many Alloys.
Oil and Gas pipelines sunk to the floor of the ocean and pipelines across the Russian Tundra, I don't proclaim any welding snobbery if there is such a thing, bloody hell you spend your working life with your head in a bucket but I have spent many a night stove welding root welds on a 48" pipeline with fleetwelds, welding up cracks in Cast Iron Compressor engine blocks and for a party trick using a gas torch to do a butt weld on the silver paper from an old cigarette packet, won a few pints doing that trick I can tell you.
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come on boys ???
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