Gas it or gaslow or safefill

[POH]

anyone got any ideas on the above ,got 2 calor 6kg atm going to Spain and would probably need a refillable type to be on the safe side.

 

[Basildog]

That's confusing you appear to have both a bottle top regulator and a bulkhead one but you should be able to connect just to the bulkhead regulator.
Basildog your thoughts?

Hi Lenny
It’s an old Truma 2 stage system so basically the bottle/ cylinder mounted 1st stage regulator is taking the pressure down to either 0.3 or 0.6 bar approximately 300 or 600 mbar .
Then the 2 nd stage bulkhead mounted regulator is reducing that to 30 mbar .
Very old now so really need’s replacing.
Manufacturers recommend 10 years life.

 

[Basildog]

My 2019 11kg Gasit bottle the gauge is clipped on the cut off float switch, IE when the bottle is less than half full the gauge reads empty. My previous bottle had an additional float connected to an accurate level gauge.

That’s why we no longer import the twin hole bottles as the gauge is actually about as much use as a chocolate fire guard
Also no excess flow valve on the Gasit cylinders .

 

[Lenny HB]

Hi Lenny
It’s an old Truma 2 stage system so basically the bottle/ cylinder mounted 1st stage regulator is taking the pressure down to either 0.3 or 0.6 bar approximately 300 or 600 mbar .
Then the 2 nd stage bulkhead mounted regulator is reducing that to 30 mbar .
Very old now so really need’s replacing.
Manufacturers recommend 10 years life.

Never seen one of them before, just had another look the bottle regulator is 0.6 bar. I take it the bulkhead regulator can't handle bottle pressure.

 

[Basildog]

Not sure I agree with you there. There are 2 regulators for each supply but surely if the pressure has already been reduced by the first reg the 2nd one will 'recognise' it's already at the right pressure so won't restrict it further?

That’s a specific system that is designed to operate with the 2 different regulators.
A first stage then a separate second stage regulator.
Most modern leisure industry regulators are now single unit 2 stage regulators.
Modern leisure regulators will operate on a specific pressure range , normally 0.3 bar to 16 bar (which is 300 mbar to 16,000 mbar ),
If you put say 2 x 30 mbar regulators in line you won’t get the correct pressure out as they aren’t designed to operate at low pressure.

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[Basildog]

Never seen one of them before, just had another look the bottle regulator is 0.6 bar. I take it the bulkhead regulator can't handle bottle pressure.

It was just type of system that was used at one time .
The only first stage regulator we see now is in the external cylinder connection kit that GOK make to use a free standing bottle/ cylinder on a leisure vehicle. Which is actually the only recognised method of connection in the gas standards.

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[Eddiex]

Hi Lenny
It’s an old Truma 2 stage system so basically the bottle/ cylinder mounted 1st stage regulator is taking the pressure down to either 0.3 or 0.6 bar approximately 300 or 600 mbar .
Then the 2 nd stage bulkhead mounted regulator is reducing that to 30 mbar .
Very old now so really need’s replacing.
Manufacturers recommend 10 years life.

That's a pain - I was hoping I might get away with just connecting up one refillable but from what you are suggesting I will have to junk my current set up! Oh well!

 

[gus-lopez]

Last week I exchanged a 14 kg bottle for €17, which is less than £1/litre being charged at petrol stations near my campsite.

That's because the 12,5kg bottle price is regulated by the government and all other supplies are at market prices. So bulk tank refilling is dearer and nearly always has been.

Less than €15 I think for 13kg.

17,50€today

we have 2 /11kg bottles gaslow & take a repsol or cepsa spare bottle because you can exchange it anywhere in Spain .

Just be aware that transporting in excess of 25kgs of lpg in bottles is against the law. Guardia only allow a max of 2 x 12,5kg bottles to be transported regardless of whether they are "installed"

 

[Lenny HB]

Just be aware that transporting in excess of 25kgs of lpg in bottles is against the law. Guardia only allow a max of 2 x 12,5kg bottles to be transported regardless of whether they are "installed"

Does that mean me and everyone else with 14kg Alugas bottles are illegal in Spain?

 

[Lenny HB]

Just found these GRP bottles with multi outlets/inlerts so they can be plumbed in. lightweiaght & a lot cheaper than Alugas.
They do 5kg, 7.5kg & 11kg.

https://www.lpgshop.co.uk/gasbank-multi-11-kg-lpg-light-composite-motorhome-propane-bottle/

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[Basildog]

Just found these GRP bottles with multi outlets/inlerts so they can be plumbed in. lightweiaght & a lot cheaper than Alugas.
They do 5kg, 7.5kg & 11kg.

https://www.lpgshop.co.uk/gasbank-multi-11-kg-lpg-light-composite-motorhome-propane-bottle/

We have tried to import them but unfortunately they are never in stock , not sure LPG shop has them available.

 

[Lenny HB]

We have tried to import them but unfortunately they are never in stock , not sure LPG shop has them available.

Shame, looks like a good alternative to Alugas.

 

[GarryP]

Apparently available online here. Don't know if they could be imported.

 

[Basildog]

Apparently available online here. Don't know if they could be imported.

Unfortunately that’s the single outlet / inlet valve type !
Not really suitable for fixed installations in Motorhome lockers , same as Safefill.
I am not a fan of that valve.

 

[Richard Mason]

Mine are randomly incorrect if that’s even possible.
thanks for the info

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[Richard Mason]

Is there any reason why a Truma gas level indicator doesn't work on the big refillable bottles? The sort you press against the bottle and it lights red or green.

 

[mitzimad]

Minxy
It's OK I've found it.

If travelling with a campervan, caravan or any other vehicle fitted with cooking facilities, any flammable gas container must be declared when asked and will be checked at the appropriate checkpoint by Eurotunnel Le Shuttle

Flammable gas containers may be transported with the following restrictions:

• For portable containers (cylinders/bottles, etc): Maximum of 47kg per cylinder and no more than 50kg per Vehicle if more than 1 container;
• For fixed containers (tanks): Maximum of 47kg per container and no more than 50kg per Vehicle if more than 1 container.
• Fixed containers must be no more than 80% full. The capacity of the container will be checked by Eurotunnel staff.

i doubt if any off the staff who've checked my gas is turned of at the tunnel, have the ability to check if ive sneaked in an extra litre of gas

 

[GarryP]

Unfortunately that’s the single outlet / inlet valve type !
Not really suitable for fixed installations in Motorhome lockers , same as Safefill.
I am not a fan of that valve.

Check the site. You'll also find a multi version

 

[Gellyneck]

i doubt if any off the staff who've checked my gas is turned of at the tunnel, have the ability to check if ive sneaked in an extra litre of gas

I would agree but given it's a safety criteria I, personally, don't think it's appropriate to exceed the capacity regulations.

 

[K R B]

I chose Gaslow for the quality of their hoses - s/steel braided ones rather than unsheathed Gasit ones.
I kept one 6kg Calor and fitted a 6kg Gaslow - both permanently connected. I've found one cylinder is plenty abroad where LPG refill pumps are plentiful but if caught out I can switch temporarily to the Calor, although in 9 years I've never had to do that and I only tour abroad.
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Do you know gas goes off check with calor

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[DandG5515]

Is there any reason why a Truma gas level indicator doesn't work on the big refillable bottles? The sort you press against the bottle and it lights red or green.

What size do they not work on? I was thinking of getting one for my 11kg bottles.

 

[Basildog]

Check the site. You'll also find a multi version

But as I said they aren’t available , we talk directly with the manufacturers
They are the same cylinders as Safefill just badged up with different suppliers names and fitted with different types of valves as required.

 

[Spriddler]

Do you know gas goes off check with calor

I hadn't considered that but luckily I have swapped it several times when my (busy and/or disorganised) son's 6kg cylinders have run out unexpectedly as he uses one at weekends for his home BBQ all year round and another one in his caravan. It seems we've done each other a favour .

 

[Sapper520]

If it goes off, how long does it last? I’ve got 2 x 11kgs Gaslow cylinders one of which I’ve never started on, as after each trip I’ve been topping up the one I’ve been using.

Therefore one cylinder as gas over 12 months old in it.

 

[Spriddler]

If it goes off, how long does it last? I’ve got 2 x 11kgs Gaslow cylinders one of which I’ve never started on, as after each trip I’ve been topping up the one I’ve been using.

Therefore one cylinder as gas over 12 months old in it.

Hmm, it seems not.
Couldn't find anything on the Calor site but after a quick Google............

Does Propane Go Bad – Propane Shelf Life – How Long Can You Store Propane – Does Propane Gas Go Bad – Does LPG Go Off​

LPG-propane does not go bad. LPG-propane shelf life is indefinite. LPG does not go off. Unlike gasoline and diesel fuel, LPG-propane gas does not bad or degrade with time. How long can you store propane and does LPG (bottled gas) go off or expire are both common questions. Because propane does not go bad, it is the perfect fuel for emergency generators.​

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Unlike gasoline and diesel fuel, LPG does not degrade with time. It doesn't go off. Storing LPG for 10 to 30 years or more is possible…

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[Minxy]

If it goes off, how long does it last? I’ve got 2 x 11kgs Gaslow cylinders one of which I’ve never started on, as after each trip I’ve been topping up the one I’ve been using.

Therefore one cylinder as gas over 12 months old in it.

We always alternate the use of ours after topping up that way it ensures that both cylinders work too.

 

[Minxy]

Hmm, it seems not.
After a quick Google............

Does Propane Go Bad – Propane Shelf Life – How Long Can You Store Propane – Does Propane Gas Go Bad – Does LPG Go Off​

LPG-propane does not go bad. LPG-propane shelf life is indefinite. LPG does not go off. Unlike gasoline and diesel fuel, LPG-propane gas does not bad or degrade with time. How long can you store propane and does LPG (bottled gas) go off or expire are both common questions. Because propane does not go bad, it is the perfect fuel for emergency generators.​

Does LPG Go Off - LPG Shelf Life - Does LPG Gas Expire

Unlike gasoline and diesel fuel, LPG does not degrade with time. It doesn't go off. Storing LPG for 10 to 30 years or more is possible…

www.elgas.com.au

Same applies to butane.

 

[Basildog]

If it goes off, how long does it last? I’ve got 2 x 11kgs Gaslow cylinders one of which I’ve never started on, as after each trip I’ve been topping up the one I’ve been using.

Therefore one cylinder as gas over 12 months old in it.

Always alternate between the 2 cylinders as the construction / function of the fill stop valve requires a tiny bleed hole .
Unfortunately this means that over time every fill will add a tiny amount of liquid State LPG , you will eventually overfill the unused cylinder .

 

[Sapper520]

Always alternate between the 2 cylinders as the construction / function of the fill stop valve requires a tiny bleed hole .
Unfortunately this means that over time every fill will add a tiny amount of liquid State LPG , you will eventually overfill the unused cylinder .

With the auto changeover, if I leave the cylinder I’ve been using all the time closed, will it just automatically open on the other cylinder if I only open that one?

 

[MartinandBev]

Sorry to jump on this thread but see its very much in the area i am looking at for refillable gas, Gaslow here in Spain is extortionate, 1245 euros installed, but have found a supplier who ship twin Alugas bottles for 700 euros, or twin 11kg gas bank for 391 euros - i am assuming that Alugas is much better as being the lighter bottles doesn't eat into my payload? My only issue is they supply only with rubber hoses, but surely i can get stainless hoses here in Spain for reasonable price?

Has anyone experience of using either Gasbank or Alugas?

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[Lenny HB]

Alugas are excellent €700 for 2 sounds far too cheap for Alugas, can I ask where from?
Be careful with the Gas Bank difficult to get the multivalve bottle see earlier posts in the thread.