Garden Centres remain open (again )

[Swifter]

And is it fair that Tesco/ASDA/Sainsbugs etc. can sell clothes, shoes, pots and pans yet the major retailers for these things such as Debenhams, Clarkes, Lakeland etc. have to shut?

Not fair at all . This is a time when “fair “ goes out the window but we need food shops open or we starve .

 

[Swifter]

Families tend to go to zoos , not to garden centres , the whole idea of this lockdown is to limit human contact in large groups

You would be surprised how many of the garden centres are “ family destinations “

 

[Swifter]

Exactly , we got to try and keep some business going best we can.

But not campsites ?

 

[Garfields]

Lockdowns and tiers have not worked because millions of idiots are not listening to the elected idiots....Just been in my local Nisa,,2 people in there without masks and did not see one of the idiots wash their hands,,,Vaccine needed now,,anti idiot vaccine. BUSBY,

I would argue that they have worked
Things would have fallen over far worse if we had done nothing
There are idiots about but what I consider idiotic behavior and what someone else thinks will be different
I do think some of the rules are bonkers but they have to be set somewhere
If the no travel between tiers had been enforced things would be better but that's just my opinion which is no more valid than anyone else's

 

[pappajohn]

I bet Maccy Ds remains open for drive through sales. The 30+ strong queue of cars never seems to get shorter.

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[Swifter]

I bet Maccy Ds remains open for drive through sales. The 30+ strong queue of cars never seems to get shorter.

Yes they are open . There is even a thread about the fact they are open

 

[The general]

But not campsites ?

No problem

 

[James-Alex]

you are not forced to visit any of them if you don't want to

No but if it’s open people will go as it’s excepted it’s ok. The problems been that people do. I personally feel to much time is spent looking to avoid regulations and try to bend rules. That doesn’t help the current situation. Do agree you don’t have to be going.

 

[MichaelT]

No but if it’s open people will go as it’s excepted it’s ok. The problems been that people do. I personally feel to much time is spent looking to avoid regulations and try to bend rules. That doesn’t help the current situation. Do agree you don’t have to be going.

How is going to a business that is allowed to trade bending the rules? The main problems are families meeting from different households not going to a garden centre IMHO....

 

[James-Alex]

And is it fair that Tesco/ASDA/Sainsbugs etc. can sell clothes, shoes, pots and pans yet the major retailers for these things such as Debenhams, Clarkes, Lakeland etc. have to shut?

No it’s not but if they open for all the food and items needed to survive then why not try to minimise other visits elsewhere. I found it crazy you can go to a pub and eat a meal but not just have a pint. It’s a clever virus that detects you’ve not had a meal in the pub. You could have had one at home 5 mins before

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[James-Alex]

How is going to a business that is allowed to trade bending the rules? The main problems are families meeting from different households not going to a garden centre IMHO....

Sorry don’t agree garden centres should be open. If Tesco sells TVs and your asked by the police where your going and you say Tesco, you don’t need to explain your going to buy a tv as it’s assumed your buying essential food there. However if your walking past the tv while buying food you shouldn’t be stopped buying the tv

 

[Spriddler]

..........you can go to a pub and eat a meal but not just have a pint. It’s a clever virus that detects you’ve not had a meal in the pub. You could have had one at home 5 mins before

Ah, but does it know the difference between a substantial meal and Scotch egg?

 

[Ivory55]

I can see an opening for no win no fee sharks coming up. Has your mental health suffered because bla bla , claim here etc. You could be entitled to compensation from the government.

 

[MichaelT]

Sorry don’t agree garden centres should be open. If Tesco sells TVs and your asked by the police where your going and you say Tesco, you don’t need to explain your going to buy a tv as it’s assumed your buying essential food there.

I don't agree either but they are allowed to open, and again why is it safe to buy a TV in Tesco but not John Lewis or Curry's?

 

[James-Alex]

I don't agree either but they are allowed to open, and again why is it safe to buy a TV in Tesco but not John Lewis or Curry's?

Because your making one shop to buy both and minimal contact by not going to un essential shops.

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[busby]

I bet Maccy Ds remains open for drive through sales. The 30+ strong queue of cars never seems to get shorter.

Healthy eaters,,,BUSBY,,,

 

[Spriddler]

Weren't some shops closing off non-food sections?

 

[James-Alex]

Healthy eaters,,,BUSBY,,,

I’ve just had two triple burgers for my lunch delivered from mc ds. Rare for me I must say but it’s the little things yum yum

 

[James-Alex]

Weren't some shops closing off non-food sections?

They tried to in wales and it all kicked off. Not surprisingly either as it doesn’t make sense. The non essential items they said were crazy. I’m sure I read kids clothes were on list. But why not if your already buying food? It just doesn’t make sense a lot of the times.

 

[Geo]

Well I went into Ayr today for food shopping, we are not allowed to do the following 'You must not travel outside your local authority area.
Currys are shut except for collections, yes you can order online, the trouble there is if it is urgent you can forget it.
BUT some things in there are essentials, a carpet shop next door was open!.....Now that makes no sense to me.

It does to me
.Gov is forever pulling the rug from under us
And it might be a service Center for Flying Carpets

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[Mrsambulancekidd]

It does to me
.Gov is forever pulling the rug from under us
And it might be a service Center for Flying Carpets

You have to laugh, it's that or cry and there's enough of that going on.

 

[The general]

Because your making one shop to buy both and minimal contact by not going to un essential shops.

Exactly

 

[Mrsambulancekidd]

If the no travel between tiers had been enforced

I agree, but the whole of Scotland has been put in level 4 now and we are not supposed to go to our nearest shopping centre in Ayr, but we can travel further to Kilmarnock because of the bizzar CC boundries here.
Ayr is in south Ayrshire, we are in east Ayrshire, but we live further south than those in Ayr.
We would have to pass through the edge of Ayr to travel double the distance.
There are always going to be some grey areas, but some of it is just plain daft.

 

[jongood]

No but if it’s open people will go as it’s excepted it’s ok. The problems been that people do. I personally feel to much time is spent looking to avoid regulations and try to bend rules. That doesn’t help the current situation. Do agree you don’t have to be going.

Hastily made rules are rarely fit for purpose. We live on the edge of town to exercise from our house we have to pass people on narrow pavements. If we spend 10 minutes in the car we can easily find less crowded open spaces, we can't infect others or be infected while in the car but it goes against guidance.

 

[orridge]

Hastily made rules are rarely fit for purpose. We live on the edge of town to exercise from our house we have to pass people on narrow pavements. If we spend 10 minutes in the car we can easily find less crowded open spaces, we can't infect others or be infected while in the car but it goes against guidance.

If you check the guidance further down you can travel (locally) to open areas for exercise, no definition of local though !

• outdoor exercise. This should be done locally wherever possible, but you can travel a short distance within your area to do so if necessary (for example, to access an open space)

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[kevenh]

Hastily made rules are rarely fit for purpose. We live on the edge of town to exercise from our house we have to pass people on narrow pavements. If we spend 10 minutes in the car we can easily find less crowded open spaces, we can't infect others or be infected while in the car but it goes against guidance.

Just - and only to exercise - you CAN relocate by car.
That's my understanding of: -

Exercising and meeting other people​

You should minimise time spent outside your home.

It is against the law to meet socially with family or friends unless they are part of your household or support bubble. You can only leave your home to exercise, and not for the purpose of recreation or leisure (e.g. a picnic or a social meeting). This should be limited to once per day, and you should not travel outside your local area.

You can exercise in a public outdoor place:

• by yourself
• with the people you live with
• with your support bubble (if you are legally permitted to form one)
• in a childcare bubble where providing childcare
• or, when on your own, with 1 person from another household

Public outdoor places include:

• parks, beaches, countryside accessible to the public, forests
• public gardens (whether or not you pay to enter them)
• the grounds of a heritage site
• playgrounds

mrskevenh & I are lucky in that we can exercise from our doorstep as the Kennett & Avon canal is close by.
Or I can use the pushbike for hill work.
Others less lucky can drive somewhere safer, in my understanding of the Gov UK rules pasted above ^ (Source)

 

[Langtoftlad]

Fundamentally, in England lockdown means that the hospitality & leisure sector is shut - the rest of business can basically remain open.

 

[Mrsambulancekidd]

I just heard some of the update.
You can only meet with ONE person outside, but under 12's are exempt........somebody please explain the logic in that.
I don't dislike children, but they are super spreaders by the nature of they way they interact and then return home infecting their families.
I don't have the answers and I would not want to be the ones making these decisions, but some of it does defy logic.

 

[robnchris]

Families tend to go to zoos , not to garden centres , the whole idea of this lockdown is to limit human contact in large groups

If they are in the same bubble, (household) what is the problem with a family going to the zoo?
There are also a lot of older couples and singles that like to wander around a zoo for a couple of hours.

 

[orridge]

If they are in the sme bubble, (household) what is the problem with a family going to the zoo?
There are also a lot of older couples and singles that like to wander around a zoo for a couple of hours.

Maybe the Stay at Home part.?

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