Full time through winter in search of new life
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I hope that was a joke.
It's not 'blatant politicking'
It's just the way it is.
The only question is 'when' not 'if' the massive 'I lose, you lose, we all lose together' error that was made, will be corrected.
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Welcome back dawsey
We offer our home as an AirBnB for a max of six times per year, for wedding attendees at a local wedding venue, about 500 yards away !!
Don't underestimate the amount of time that will need to be spent getting the place ready prior to arrival, cleaning etc when they've left and then rinse and repeat!
Regular and scheduled maintenance is the key, BUT it sometimes is difficult to identify what needs to be done if you're living with it on a daily basis. Little quirky things can be your downfall in that you might know that a particular door handle just needs to be turned a bit further to open the door, but your guests won't, so you have to remove that 'quirk' so that everything works as a guest expects it to!
Sounds like a great next adventure and we wish you well.
We offer our home as an AirBnB for a max of six times per year, for wedding attendees at a local wedding venue, about 500 yards away !!
Don't underestimate the amount of time that will need to be spent getting the place ready prior to arrival, cleaning etc when they've left and then rinse and repeat!
Regular and scheduled maintenance is the key, BUT it sometimes is difficult to identify what needs to be done if you're living with it on a daily basis. Little quirky things can be your downfall in that you might know that a particular door handle just needs to be turned a bit further to open the door, but your guests won't, so you have to remove that 'quirk' so that everything works as a guest expects it to!
Sounds like a great next adventure and we wish you well.
Thanks mate. Sorry that in the end we couldn’t offer you guys a residency pitch.
Why?
What politicking?
If you don’t want to understand more about some of the factual consequences of what the UK collectively decided then you don’t have to read about it.
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no worries, just pleased that you have got a way forward that you are happy with, weve cut all our ties with the campsite now, they tried to charge me 10% of our selling cost, claiming they sold it for us ..... though as i posted all the adverts, did all the negotiating etc they believed we owed them 10% of the selling cost of the 'mobile home', despite there being nothing in the campsite terms stating that. My final answer to them if they ask again, will be to tell them the price we sold the van for was one euro and the rest of the money was for the decking, furniture, shed, appliances etc of which they make no mention with regards to 'selling'. They offered our daughters between E1k and E1.5k for their vans as they were not allowed to sell them ON site, so we advertised them for sale off site and got E6.5k for each of them
we had been there for sixteen years and paid throughout covid even though we couldnt use it. it would have been great just to upsticks and move to your 'imaginary/non existent' camp site (lol). we wont pretend we wont miss it as the set up for us was brilliant (3 vans adjacent to each other) but IN MY OPINION, the camp site has now become a transit camp for migrants from Africa, 4/6 males per caravan, all going out to work in shifts. perhaps its where some of them might get the money to pay for a channel crossing ...... but that is of course unsubstantiated unless some one cares to investigate .....
at your new project, you state you cant have an aire, is there a similar 'small site' loophole as in the UK where you can have up to 5 caravans/motorhomes at any one time ?
best wishes, good luck with the new adventure and with selling the motorhome, it might not be everyones cup of tea, but it has been put through its paces these last couple of years and has shown its still got a fair few years left in it !
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Such a good comment it deserves a second follow up..
This place was actually designed as a luxury musicians retreat. I might have swang the lawnmower but I had no joy with the piano. I console myself (as an oldie!) with the fact that the stonework around the indoor pool has underfloor heating…
I hear you on the import stuff. The CoC was just step one. It is of course needed now going in and out of EU/UK and for those who perhaps still do not appreciate the eye watering costs, the company that made a couple of my cars (a UK company) has recently seen an opportunity and has raised the price of a CoC from £199 to £1000 + VAT. I need two of them. They wouldn’t have been able to do that under EU law.
One is a 45yr old classic. It’s registered in UK as historic. The process of import to France is via the FFVE (federation francais vehicule d’epoch). There’s lots of form filling and declarations. The process does not use the ANTS. All vehicles must be absolutely standard (mine isn’t, I got rid of the old 1970’s 3 speed slush box and fitted a 1990’s 6 speed manual). It will be fun.
The registration charges for the other cars (this is just to register - not to insure) are going to be €10,000. It’s because my stuff is heavy 4x4 (they tax it heavily) and high power (the French really, really tax that heavily especially when quite new).
Prior to you know what, there was no real need to import/export re-register. Now there’s no way around it.
So there we are, the additional costs just associated with taking some nice cars with me to France are around £14,000. This is just one couple and their stuff, one move of life.
Helga has certainly been put through her paces, apart from when she was tucked in under the trees having a break on the imaginary campsite when you came to see us
Many moons ago the new place was a farm, as many of these gite complexes used to be. Most of the land is long gone, only 7 acres left and 4 or 5 of that is a heavily protected ‘natural’ zone - its category is NLL. We can’t do anything with it. 1 acre is in ‘agriculture’ hence the little ça ferre issue as described. Just one acre is the buildings and their immediate surroundings. So yes, once the acre in agriculture is swapped to ‘loisire’ or business/leisure use we could do something, maybe glamping.
Sadly once no part of the land is considered a farm then no part can take advantage of the no-permission needed allowance that farms have for camping spaces, which are similar in France to UK. I think French farms can have up to six, it’s the basis of much of the ‘France Passion’ stuff.
So we’d need permissions to make spaces for campers etc, and given the sensitivity of the land, we wouldn’t get it. There just isn’t the space anyway. We’ve given up on the idea of some sort of aire which needs lots of land.
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To be fair it is quite clear on on the U shaped lounge forum that no politics discussions are welcome and even in the belly locker the B word is not allowed. I had a thread deleted a while ago that I didn't even think was political!
Dawsey is clearly mentioning the B situation here with a negative opinion so it seems a little unfair to allow that in motorhome chat. It is easy enough for him to talk about his experience in searching for a campsite without straying into obvious political statements like this. (Even though i actually agree with him)
. Just another of the many, many little brexity ‘benefits’ that we’ve been so happily discovering woohoo
On the same thorny subject that got my original thread deleted, while getting permission for me to come and live in France has been a bit of hassle, I’m expecting it to pale in comparison to the bureaucratic nightmare I am reliably informed that importing, registering and insuring my four modified classic and sports cars is going to be. It used to be a matter of just bringing them here and enjoying. Not any more. As with everything else post Brexit, it’s now much more time, hassle, cost and expense.
Personally I would be happy with politics conversations in U shaped lounge or at least the belly locker. There are loads of politics coming up in the various Gaza threads which seem ok. But hey, that's the way it goes. It's not a democracy here and rules are rules!
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Part of the joy of MHF is the lack of confrontation and mud slinging this is due to jims guidance and generally light touch moderating .Personally i love it here and dont want people pushing the boundaries giving jim hassle just to score points, The b word was banned for a reasonKindergarten springs to mind
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He doesn't, he lives in Ireland which is unaffected
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Yet it is a big part of life and effect so many different subjects so it will always float to the surface, I think the issue here is when it is used to create hatred between the two opposite sides of the argument not when it is used to explain personal experiences from people which are caused by B, it’s should be as simple as that ……..
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Actually, there is a surprising amount of mudslinging and confrontation on here - just not generally relating to politics or the B word.
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It’s funny how perceptions are different. It feels a very ‘cozy’ and ‘friendly’ world to me on Fun, compared to most other parts of the WWW…
We’ve been looking deeply into what the best way of structuring the new business is to be, and as usual with anything French it’s all extremely bureaucratic, complicated and full of tax pitfalls.
When we were going to buy a large campsite using a mix of cash and borrowing it was clear what structure would be best, this was two businesses, one ‘owning’ the land and walls and one ‘owning’ the business assets and books. An SCI and an SaRL. The idea is that much tax on profit can avoided as one pays ‘rent’ to the other. Taxes still have to be paid on dividends but continuous ‘investment’ is usually used to erode that to zero or near zero. It’s also the best vehicle where there is borrowing, where there are lots of transactions (because accountancy fees are high anyway) and where staff have to be employed as there are mechanisms to avoid direct employment and some employers social charges.
The new business is very different. No or minimal (zero interest, state subsidy) borrowing, zero or minimal employees and far lower turnover.
So the optimum options for this one are EI (enterprise Individuel), Simple SaRL de family (a family limited liability company) or micro-enterprise.
The accountants we’ve consulted have concluded that the best option is the SaRL de family as we are married. It offers the best blend of flexibility, taking advantage of the tax breaks associated with the area (5 years no corporation tax because it’s an ZRR (zone of rural revitalisation) and minimising future CGT liability.
To limit it further we are now in discussion with the current owners who have gone a bit crazy with their own efforts to limit their own CGT liability on the sale. We need to change the spread or ‘ventilation’ of the purchase from 80% Fonds (business) and 20% Murs (walls and land) to the reverse of that to avoid a €125k potential tax bill if we sell in 5-10years.
Problem is - even a 50/50 compromise means a €25k CGT bill for the current owners on the sale. They are not going to like that. We talked to their accountants yesterday as we already told them a couple of weeks back that what they are trying to do is not going to fly with the Notaire, part of whose job it is to prevent such tax dodging wheezes.
That’s the problem with France, the tax burden is insane and the tax code is fiendishly complex. Finding ways to stop the french taxman emptying your pockets therefore has to be more of an art form here than in UK.
The current owners have invested so heavily in the walls of their property (over a million euro 14years ago, I reckon thats easily be €1.5 million today) that the value of the walls of the business has enormously increased and they naturally want their accountants to find ways to creatively reduce their capital gains. You can only depreciate property investment over 25yrs over here, so they are only halfway there, and have thus belatedly tried to move more of the ‘asset’ into classes that can be depreciated faster, like plumbing and floors, which is 10yr.
Interesting stuff - I’m sure I am still capable of screwing this one up as well
When we were going to buy a large campsite using a mix of cash and borrowing it was clear what structure would be best, this was two businesses, one ‘owning’ the land and walls and one ‘owning’ the business assets and books. An SCI and an SaRL. The idea is that much tax on profit can avoided as one pays ‘rent’ to the other. Taxes still have to be paid on dividends but continuous ‘investment’ is usually used to erode that to zero or near zero. It’s also the best vehicle where there is borrowing, where there are lots of transactions (because accountancy fees are high anyway) and where staff have to be employed as there are mechanisms to avoid direct employment and some employers social charges.
The new business is very different. No or minimal (zero interest, state subsidy) borrowing, zero or minimal employees and far lower turnover.
So the optimum options for this one are EI (enterprise Individuel), Simple SaRL de family (a family limited liability company) or micro-enterprise.
The accountants we’ve consulted have concluded that the best option is the SaRL de family as we are married. It offers the best blend of flexibility, taking advantage of the tax breaks associated with the area (5 years no corporation tax because it’s an ZRR (zone of rural revitalisation) and minimising future CGT liability.
To limit it further we are now in discussion with the current owners who have gone a bit crazy with their own efforts to limit their own CGT liability on the sale. We need to change the spread or ‘ventilation’ of the purchase from 80% Fonds (business) and 20% Murs (walls and land) to the reverse of that to avoid a €125k potential tax bill if we sell in 5-10years.
Problem is - even a 50/50 compromise means a €25k CGT bill for the current owners on the sale. They are not going to like that. We talked to their accountants yesterday as we already told them a couple of weeks back that what they are trying to do is not going to fly with the Notaire, part of whose job it is to prevent such tax dodging wheezes.
That’s the problem with France, the tax burden is insane and the tax code is fiendishly complex. Finding ways to stop the french taxman emptying your pockets therefore has to be more of an art form here than in UK.
The current owners have invested so heavily in the walls of their property (over a million euro 14years ago, I reckon thats easily be €1.5 million today) that the value of the walls of the business has enormously increased and they naturally want their accountants to find ways to creatively reduce their capital gains. You can only depreciate property investment over 25yrs over here, so they are only halfway there, and have thus belatedly tried to move more of the ‘asset’ into classes that can be depreciated faster, like plumbing and floors, which is 10yr.
Interesting stuff - I’m sure I am still capable of screwing this one up as well
I don't understand , I thought you had paid less than a million for this place so where is all this cgt coming from?We’ve been looking deeply into what the best way of structuring the new business is to be, and as usual with anything French it’s all extremely bureaucratic, complicated and full of tax pitfalls.
When we were going to buy a large campsite using a mix of cash and borrowing it was clear what structure would be best, this was two businesses, one ‘owning’ the land and walls and one ‘owning’ the business assets and books. An SCI and an SaRL. The idea is that much tax on profit can avoided as one pays ‘rent’ to the other. Taxes still have to be paid on dividends but continuous ‘investment’ is usually used to erode that to zero or near zero. It’s also the best vehicle where there is borrowing, where there are lots of transactions (because accountancy fees are high anyway) and where staff have to be employed as there are mechanisms to avoid direct employment and some employers social charges.
The new business is very different. No or minimal (zero interest, state subsidy) borrowing, zero or minimal employees and far lower turnover.
So the optimum options for this one are EI (enterprise Individuel), Simple SaRL de family (a family limited liability company) or micro-enterprise.
The accountants we’ve consulted have concluded that the best option is the SaRL de family as we are married. It offers the best blend of flexibility, taking advantage of the tax breaks associated with the area (5 years no corporation tax because it’s an ZRR (zone of rural revitalisation) and minimising future CGT liability.
To limit it further we are now in discussion with the current owners who have gone a bit crazy with their own efforts to limit their own CGT liability on the sale. We need to change the spread or ‘ventilation’ of the purchase from 80% Fonds (business) and 20% Murs (walls and land) to the reverse of that to avoid a €125k potential tax bill if we sell in 5-10years.
Problem is - even a 50/50 compromise means a €25k CGT bill for the current owners on the sale. They are not going to like that. We talked to their accountants yesterday as we already told them a couple of weeks back that what they are trying to do is not going to fly with the Notaire, part of whose job it is to prevent such tax dodging wheezes.
That’s the problem with France, the tax burden is insane and the tax code is fiendishly complex. Finding ways to stop the french taxman emptying your pockets therefore has to be more of an art form here than in UK.
The current owners have invested so heavily in the walls of their property (over a million euro 14years ago, I reckon thats easily be €1.5 million today) that the value of the walls of the business has enormously increased and they naturally want their accountants to find ways to creatively reduce their capital gains. You can only depreciate property investment over 25yrs over here, so they are only halfway there, and have thus belatedly tried to move more of the ‘asset’ into classes that can be depreciated faster, like plumbing and floors, which is 10yr.
Interesting stuff - I’m sure I am still capable of screwing this one up as well
Jim
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Jim
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Don't go into the rugby threads then.
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Seriously, though, go and report all that confrontation so I am aware of it. I read more here than most anyone and I don't recognise your assertion.
We haven’t paid anything for it yet. Capital Gains Tax is payable by people who sell CGT -liable stuff for more than they paid for it. Thus the current owners have some liability that they haven’t been able to fully offset through depreciation. They are trying to minimise that liability by artificially inflating the value of the element that does not have liability (to them) and deflating the value of the element that does. This however has the unfortunate impact of creating serious potential future CGT liability for us, should we want or need to sell for whatever reason.
Thus - even though we have agreed a price for the house, the land, the walls, the business and every stick of furniture in the business down to the floor mats (inc of course that lovely zero turn lawnmower), there still remains negotiation to be done. It seems that nothing over here in France is ever simple.
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Don't go into the rugby threads then.
Seriously, though, go and report all that confrontation so I am aware of it. I read more here than most anyone and I don't recognise your assertion.
Maybe mudslinging was an exaggeration but confrontation and division certainly exists on a wide range of subjects from insurance through to changing a cambelt.
I'll not report it as it doesn't bother me. I was merely stating I'd be happy to be able to discuss politics and B**** too.
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There is a big difference between spouting off about it for the sake of it and stating first hand experience caused because of it so I suggested that you ignore this thread if it rankles you so easily.
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People are allowed a different point of view. As long as they are not rude to each other, they can state their position as firmly and empatically as they wish. That's called healthy debate.
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