French Lockdown

Gellyneck said:
Think it goes back to the 1980's and 90's with concerns over HIV tainted vaccinations for haemophilia and hepatitis.
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Sorry to be pedantic but a vaccination is the act of putting a vaccine into you, usually into your arm.

Haemophiliacs require injections of a product to help their blood to clot. In the 1980s some of this product was contaminated with HIV and Hepatitis C.
 
138go said:
Sorry to be pedantic but a vaccination is the act of putting a vaccine into you, usually into your arm.

Haemophiliacs require injections of a product to help their blood to clot. In the 1980s some of this product was contaminated with HIV and Hepatitis C.
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MITHRANDIR said:
Not quite sure how to answer that one!
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I can

round them all up and vaccinate them then they can do what they want

until then drag them all out 30 miles from the nearest coast and see if they survive

you know the rest 😉

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EuroTrotters said:
I doubt it, french mentality
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No better reason not to go there in the immediate future. Yesterday's France figures 35088 new infections - now would you not think that anyone (EU citizens) with half an idea would make a point of keeping abreast of the current figures and it would be obvious the effect vaccinations have had on reducing the UK new infection figures. Without vaccinations Europe is going to be plagued by Covid and all it iterations for the foreseeable future.

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Interesting thread from Prof Christina Pagel re.the european position (in that the current European wave is a result of the establishment / increasing dominance in Europe of the Kent strain - which means the Uk is unlikely to see a wave as a result of the current European increases (as the kent strain is dominant now in the UK already - however.... opening travel to EU risks importing new strains that render the vaccinations ineffective - hence the recommendation for maintaining border controls for the rest of the year -



“2) we import new variants from EU that can resist our vaccines & start a wave of a new variant in what would effectively be much less "vaxxed" pop'n. The SA variant (5-10% of cases in France) is already semi-resistant & SAGE are v worried about it.”
 
If a third wave comes
If it is caused by a variant
If that variant is not covered by the vaccines
If this causes rates to remain at the levels they are in France (Like they havent dropped anywhere before)
If Boris makes a decision it is not safe to return without Q10
If the prophets of doom beat me down with incessant Ifs .....

.......then, I can make a decision based upon those provisos
In the meantime, June 20th roll on.
 
We have cancelled all EU 2021 holiday bookings and may get to Spain in early 2022 if we're lucky.

The reality will be that although the UK vaccination programme is superb and brilliantly administrated to jab the adult population, the EU programme is pitiful and will not be completed until well into the Autumn.

I predict that the UK government will not lift the ban on EU holiday travel as early as curently stated due to the incompetent EU vaccination programmes. The last thing the UK needs is infected tourists entering or returning to the UK.

If you haven't already seen it, it's worth looking at this website in addition to the UK Gov website for advice: https://reopen.europa.eu/en
 
glenn2926 said:
The biggest underlying health problem resulting in long term hospitalisation and death from Covid is obesity.
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That's not strictly accurate.

It's accurate for middle aged men with no recorded underlying health problems. Meaning they're not receiving prescription medication for any underlying health issue... in society they're classed as fit & able, hardly any medical history.

The problem occurred as the best way to intubate and treat a Covid critical patient was to lay them on their stomach, due to the weight of some sufferers it was very difficult if not impossible to turn them, also, at the beginning if you were intubated there was only a 31% chance you would survive regardless of size.

As the months went on techniques changed, patients were turned on admission if required and intubation in all but the most severe cases became secondary to CPAP. It's this and the use of Dex which began to improve life expectancy to the point now critical patients who need ventilation, again regardless of size, now have an 80% chance of survival.
 
gerry mcg said:
Interesting thread from Prof Christina Pagel re.the european position (in that the current European wave is a result of the establishment / increasing dominance in Europe of the Kent strain - which means the Uk is unlikely to see a wave as a result of the current European increases (as the kent strain is dominant now in the UK already - however.... opening travel to EU risks importing new strains that render the vaccinations ineffective - hence the recommendation for maintaining border controls for the rest of the year -



“2) we import new variants from EU that can resist our vaccines & start a wave of a new variant in what would effectively be much less "vaxxed" pop'n. The SA variant (5-10% of cases in France) is already semi-resistant & SAGE are v worried about it.”
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There are 60 million people in South Africa and so far there have been lees than 1.6m cases, I doubt they see 1500 new cases a day. The strain isn't the bogeyman some want us to believe it is.
 
Al n Val said:
As i see it, once you've had the vaccine it will not stop you getting the virus but its effects will be less

so similar, not same as, to Flu then??

Neither will it stop you passing it on, so once i've possibly passed it on the someone who's had the vaccine then the effects will still be less. If that individual hasn't had the vaccine because they think they're gonna grow another head then tough tittie.

Fact is we HAVE to live with this virus one way or another, people need to accept this or you/they will be in isolation for ever for the rest of your/their lives.

The EU country leaders that withheld the vaccine rollout recently quite frankly need xxxxing shooting and they have only themselves to blame if tourism or the lack of it puts local businesses out of business.

Bureaucratic Imbeciles, they need sacking
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I couldn't have put it better myself, well done.
MITHRANDIR said:
It is widely accepted that the virus can exist on objects for several days if not more, a lot of goods come in from the eu, a potential hazard, should we ban those as well for the foreseeable future?, if not why not?,
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When our post or a parcel arrives, the first thing we do is spray it with Dettol.
Then our hands are washed with an anti viral medicated soap.
As a parcel is opened, we spay the Dettol over things liberally, hand sanitiser is used too & the whole thing is handled with care.

If a parcel contains something which cannot be sprayed, it is left in the vestibule for a few days,

I never envisaged a day when my hands consumed more alcohol than my mouth!!
 
ambulancekidd said:
I couldn't have put it better myself, well done.

When our post or a parcel arrives, the first thing we do is spray it with Dettol.
Then our hands are washed with an anti viral medicated soap.
As a parcel is opened, we spay the Dettol over things liberally, hand sanitiser is used too & the whole thing is handled with care.

If a parcel contains something which cannot be sprayed, it is left in the vestibule for a few days,

I never envisaged a day when my hands consumed more alcohol than my mouth!!
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Other antiseptic sprays are available!;)
 
ambulancekidd said:
I couldn't have put it better myself, well done.

When our post or a parcel arrives, the first thing we do is spray it with Dettol.
Then our hands are washed with an anti viral medicated soap.
As a parcel is opened, we spay the Dettol over things liberally, hand sanitiser is used too & the whole thing is handled with care.

If a parcel contains something which cannot be sprayed, it is left in the vestibule for a few days,

I never envisaged a day when my hands consumed more alcohol than my mouth!!
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That's exactly as we do, except dilute bleach not dettol, very wise.

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I hate to mention this as i dont know an awful lot about it but .................

..................... it doesnt seem obesity is one of the pre existing condition used by the NHS. No doubt I am missing something and someone will point me in the right direction.

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From the start we have used Isopropyl Alcohol 80% in dispensers all over the place.
 
ambulancekidd said:
I couldn't have put it better myself, well done.

When our post or a parcel arrives, the first thing we do is spray it with Dettol.
Then our hands are washed with an anti viral medicated soap.
As a parcel is opened, we spay the Dettol over things liberally, hand sanitiser is used too & the whole thing is handled with care.

If a parcel contains something which cannot be sprayed, it is left in the vestibule for a few days,

I never envisaged a day when my hands consumed more alcohol than my mouth!!
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For twelve months now I have done no such disinfecting... and have have not contracted anything,
maybe just lucky eh ?
 
fullfat said:
For twelve months now I have done no such disinfecting... and have have not contracted anything,
maybe just lucky eh ?
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Maybe you have contracted it but don't/didn't know asymptomatic, perhaps?

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