French Lockdown

Helen Ariel said:
It's not really widely reported. There's been a small study that AZ vacc wasn't effective against mild to mod illness with SA variant but there were no hospitalizations or deaths. We are not getting to zero virus ever so the aim really is preventing severe illness and death and all the vaccines are still thought to achieve this even with the current variants so not all doom and gloom.

This is a good indepth article about variants and it's worth noting that the uk variant has been found to have mutated again in the same part as the SA variant so it's clear that variants will arise whether we travel or not but that's not to say we don't need to be careful.
'Tests show they have a mutation, called E484K, that is already seen in the South Africa variant.
Although this change may reduce vaccine effectiveness, the current ones in use should still work, say experts.'
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BA.4 and BA.5 Omicron: How worried should we be? - BBC News

Surges of Covid are happening again around the world, driven by some new subvariants of Omicron.
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How many months ago was it that the MSM was telling us all that the variant found in Danish Minks was going to do us all in ?

Not heard of any people in the UK or even Denmark going into hospital after contracting that variant.
 
MITHRANDIR said:
As a gentle reminder of what you said,
Try reading my posts, not everyone can help obesity, my sister has battled with it all her adult life, she isn't obese or overweight now but will be again in the future, none of that is her fault.
your comment was rather a sweeping statement, which is not accurate, my sister would be very upset by your comments.
i stand by what i said, bigoted, narrow minded, uneducated, and a rather rash foolish statement.
perhaps i should also add backpedaling as well
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Even very fit rugby players are classed as obese and if Dwayne Johnson was British he'd be classed as obese too.
 
MITHRANDIR said:
And covid can and will be passed during staycations, as i have repeatedly said the virus transmission rates are directly tied to people's behaviour, where you are is irrelevant.
crowded uk staycations = more risk
less crowded europe = less risk
IF people behave appropriately.
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Although it is irrelevant where you are your risk of catching is very much related to the prevalence of covid in the area you are in and the risk of geographic spread is related to how much you travel. It won't be decided on here if travel abroad is allowed but travel does affect the spread of covid.
 
Jonno1103 said:
Clearly we live with it like we do with every other viral and bacterial infection. Just like last July when we could travel abroad, there's no magic switch it's simply a political decision. It's impossible to stop people catching it and it's impossible to stop people dying from it.

My question is, why is it that from the middle of April you can sit outside a pub and go in to use the toilets but campsites are keeping their facilities closed?

Many of us over 50 will have had at least one vaccination by then too. Typical non joined up thinking.

I've had Covid and both of my injections, there's more chance of me dying of boredom.
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Never mind the pubs, you'll still be able to use M/way services toilets, theme parks and zoo's toilet. All of which will be more used and crowded than the average campsite toilets !
 
Sandancers said:
How many months ago was it that the MSM was telling us all that the variant found in Danish Minks was going to do us all in ?

Not heard of any people in the UK or even Denmark going into hospital after contracting that variant.
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But that doesn't mean it's wrong to have been cautious. Its a bit like saying its not worth locking your motorhome because you forgot before and nothing was nicked!

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Sandancers said:
How many months ago was it that the MSM was telling us all that the variant found in Danish Minks was going to do us all in ?

Not heard of any people in the UK or even Denmark going into hospital after contracting that variant.
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Don’t you be coming on here talking like that. You’re going cause much gnashing of teeth and cries of pessimism.😂😂
 
The Wino said:
But that doesn't mean it's wrong to have been cautious. Its a bit like saying its not worth locking your motorhome because you forgot before and nothing was nicked!
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No, what I'm saying is that the MSM will over-react to un-proven reports.
 
The Wino said:
But that doesn't mean it's wrong to have been cautious. Its a bit like saying its not worth locking your motorhome because you forgot before and nothing was nicked!
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There’s a massive difference between cautious and being absolutely convinced your motorhome is definitely going to be broken in to and everything stolen. When reality, it can and does happen but not to very many. You are much, much more likely to get home unscathed by thieves.
 
glenn2926 said:
Absolutely correct. The biggest underlying health problem resulting in long term hospitalisation and death from Covid is obesity. Being that much over wright is nobody but the obese ones fault. Many of them blame many things for getting into this condition but nobody else made them overweight.
Like you say changing their attitude in regards to their own health and well-being is in their own hands.
I’m sure I drink more and eat more than is really good for me but I do put a lot of effort into maintaining my weight and body shape. It does get harder as we get older but no one but me can keep me fit.
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The biggest underlying health problem resulting in long term hospitalisation and death from Covid, is seen in the 60+ age group, especially those suffering from co-morbidities such as lung or heart disease, diabetes or conditions that affect their immune system.

Studies do suggest that obesity is also a risk factor for worse outcomes in those who contract Covid-19.

Obesity is a complex issue and it's not easily explained. For example over 400 different genes have been implicated in the causes of obesity. Genes contribute to the causes of obesity in many ways, by affecting appetite, satiety (the sense of fullness), metabolism, food cravings, body-fat distribution, and the tendency to use eating as a way to cope with stress.

Interestingly, many people have gained weight during the duration of the pandemic, despite the information being out there that being overweight can produce worse outcomes if you catch Covid.

I read two pieces of research recently that I found very interesting. Babies of mothers who smoked during pregnancy are more likely to become overweight than those whose mothers didn't smoke. The same is true for babies born to mothers who had diabetes. Researchers believe these conditions may somehow alter the growing baby's metabolism in ways that show up later in life.

It's easy to blame people for their behaviour but as with many issues there isn't a simple answer.
 
glenn2926 said:
So your sister keeps the weight off but others can’t? Why not she does? Well done her by the way it’s probably very difficult to maintain.
If she and my work colleague can do it others can. I’m not expecting us all to be Olympic athletes but we can all improve on where we are. You seem to think otherwise. Luckily a lot of people with health problems do think similarly to me and work damned hard to stay in shape. I’ll stick with talking to the health experts I sometimes work with.
I don’t think there has ever been anyone that cannot improve their fitness.
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She keeps her weight off through strong medication, and there is nothing wrong with her fitness, she runs two marathons a year, or did, at the moment she satisfies herself with 5 miles a day run, when her meds play up she bangs weight on' her doctors adjust her meds and the weight falls of her, this all takes time.
Again more sweeping statements, overweight/obese = unfit, not necessarily accurate or true.
Perhaps you should exercise your brain a little more as well as the rest of you.

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Larrynwin said:
If no proof then it could have been carried into the country from various sources and identified here.
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Did you read the articles? There is plenty of evidence it originated in Kent and an explanation as to why.
 
MITHRANDIR said:
She keeps her weight off through strong medication, and there is nothing wrong with her fitness, she runs two marathons a year, or did, at the moment she satisfies herself with 5 miles a day run, when her meds play up she bangs weight on' her doctors adjust her meds and the weight falls of her, this all takes time.
Again more sweeping statements, overweight/obese = unfit, not necessarily accurate or true.
Perhaps you should exercise your brain a little more as well as the rest of you.
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Some people will never believe in them having responsibility for their own health.
For that reason in this case, I’m out.
 
138go said:
The biggest underlying health problem resulting in long term hospitalisation and death from Covid, is seen in the 60+ age group, especially those suffering from co-morbidities such as lung or heart disease, diabetes or conditions that affect their immune system.

Studies do suggest that obesity is also a risk factor for worse outcomes in those who contract Covid-19.

Obesity is a complex issue and it's not easily explained. For example over 400 different genes have been implicated in the causes of obesity. Genes contribute to the causes of obesity in many ways, by affecting appetite, satiety (the sense of fullness), metabolism, food cravings, body-fat distribution, and the tendency to use eating as a way to cope with stress.

Interestingly, many people have gained weight during the duration of the pandemic, despite the information being out there that being overweight can produce worse outcomes if you catch Covid.

I read two pieces of research recently that I found very interesting. Babies of mothers who smoked during pregnancy are more likely to become overweight than those whose mothers didn't smoke. The same is true for babies born to mothers who had diabetes. Researchers believe these conditions may somehow alter the growing baby's metabolism in ways that show up later in life.

It's easy to blame people for their behaviour but as with many issues there isn't a simple answer.
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Strangely, it was widely reported that BAME people made up most of the deaths from CV_19 and then I saw it reported that people with Dementia made up 25% of all those who died.

Now obesity is getting the blame for lots of deaths, plus of course it's old age that really determines who dies.

You'd think that the NHS could use their accurate figures to nail this down.
 
chaser said:
We have friends in the south west of France, and havnt been able to even get a flu jab never mind covid, but they have very few cases.
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My son and his wife are full-time workers in France (south-west) and not only have they not had their jabs, all their French friends and colleagues are very anti-jabs, and so have no interest. And this dislike is very common in France, take up is very low. Which means that there is little to stop the Covid escalation there and it will be difficult for us to get over to see them for some time. We are booked on the Shuttle on May 19th, so it presently looks like we'll have to re-book later.
 
Dorwyn said:
My son and his wife are full-time workers in France (south-west) and not only have they not had their jabs, all their French friends and colleagues are very anti-jabs, and so have no interest. And this dislike is very common in France, take up is very low. Which means that there is little to stop the Covid escalation there and it will be difficult for us to get over to see them for some time. We are booked on the Shuttle on May 19th, so it presently looks like we'll have to re-book later.
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My lad has a Brewery and a bar in Chamonix with a mixture of staff from various countries. His French staff are the only ones saying they won’t have the vaccine.
 
glenn2926 said:
My lad has a Brewery and a bar in Chamonix with a mixture of staff from various countries. His French staff are the only ones saying they won’t have the vaccine.
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Any ideas why they won’t have it, just curious tbh

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glenn2926 said:
They just seem to be anti vax of any description. Seems weird to me.
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definitely contenders then to be dropped in the Med 30 miles from the nearest coast, any survivors should then be forced to have the AZ vaccine as that’s the shitty one according to them
 
My stepdaughter has been a care worker in Germany for 15 years and she and several colleagues are adamant that they won't be vaccinated. They say in view of the negative reports they don't trust it to be safe.
 
Gellyneck said:
Think it goes back to the 1980's and 90's with concerns over HIV tainted vaccinations for haemophilia and hepatitis.
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well for me it’s a long swim then no question, we’ll all be better off with less people spreading the virus purposely imo.
 
Just saw on the news, protests again in london and berlin

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