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Fiat 9 speed auto recall notice issued
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If it is a 2.2 9 speed auto 160 or 180 BHP engine it is a candidate for the update
So maybe Ford then?
Or Merc?
Or Peugeot Boxer (same vehicle)
Any other suggestions?
Why does almost every NHS ambulance trust use Fiat?
NHS decision will likely to be price driven as well
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And moving for 8-10 hours a day not sitting about.
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I went Merc
And budgets are a likely factor, but who suffers the most for such a choice is a debate all of it’s own perhaps
Ford Ecoboost has a 'wet cambelt' have a search for issues with them.
Not just price, adaptability and availability are factors
Yes exactly, no van is perfect and without failures
So no official statement from Fiat about what this recall actually does. It must change something. So perhaps reduced torque, reduced hp, different gear change points . I wonder if the lack of info is because after the recall it doesn't meet the specs that the van were sold with. Perhaps another VW emissions type scandal ?
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With all software updates dealers don't get the info just told to upload a patch.
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Yep bit like updates on windows, android or whatever crap system apples run, routine patches we get and don't know what they really do but they get installed.
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That sounds like a lot of weight to tow with a 140, I would have thought you would have gone for the 180.
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The 140 is not included in the recall, only the 160 and 180 engines.
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I think we need to keep this problem in perspective, the gearbox is NOT a disaster. They have noticed an increase in problems when the 160bhp and 180bhp engines are mated with the new 2.2l engine but the gearbox has coped with similar power outputs and gross weights previously without unexpected failures. They probably tweaked the software on the newer models with higher outputs and are now giving it another tweak to bring them back in line.
If you read some of the American forums you will see that the ZF9 had many issues when it was first released.
You would have thought that 10 years later they would all have been ironed out.
Fiat have now discontinued this gearbox in favour of a new 8 speed.
We have been considering changing to a PVC and have looked at a few new vans (dealers stock) but they all have the 9 speed as the 8 speed is only starting to arrive. Dealers currently have some good deals on 9 speeds to clear the old stock.
I would feel slightly nervous about buying a 9 speed now but then who knows what future issues there may be with the new 8 speed.
Perhaps we should just stick with our reliable 6 speed manual!
You would have thought that 10 years later they would all have been ironed out.
Fiat have now discontinued this gearbox in favour of a new 8 speed.
We have been considering changing to a PVC and have looked at a few new vans (dealers stock) but they all have the 9 speed as the 8 speed is only starting to arrive. Dealers currently have some good deals on 9 speeds to clear the old stock.
I would feel slightly nervous about buying a 9 speed now but then who knows what future issues there may be with the new 8 speed.
Perhaps we should just stick with our reliable 6 speed manual!
My understanding is that the 8 speed is cheaper, not necessarily better or worse in quality.
I think we all feel slightly nervous about whatever vehicle we buy, maybe partly because they are so complex we cant fix ourselves?
My 9speed 2.2 180 is so good, light years ahead of previous comfotmatic and i would never consider a manual in any vehicle…
i dont expect a garage mech to know about software but i would expect him to have an inkling about what this particular piece of software specifically allied to his trade does
He knows what the software does. It controls the engine and gearbox. He just doesn't know what the (probably very small) change is in that update.
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Maybe the change to the 8 speed is a cost saving measure and nothing to do with reliability. Peugeot use an 8 speed auto on some of their cars - it may be a derritive of that box, so in house, rather than buying in the ZF box.
My AT9/140hp Ducato has covered 16k sweet miles in the 2 years that the Vantana has been on the road. Its a honey of a box!
I was told by a dealer that the new 8 speed is a Japanese gearbox.
I don't know if that is correct or if it is actually made in Japan or perhaps designed there and manufactured elsewhere.
Considering some dealers now have some 8 speeds in stock, there appears to be very little information available.
The Peugeot 8 speed appears to be manufactured by Aisin (part of the Toyota group) so perhaps that is what Fiat are using.
I have owned numerous Japanese cars which have been mostly trouble free, so I can only see this as being a positive move.
I think the new 8 speed is licensed from Aisin. But built in house. It'll be considerably cheaper to build than the ZF 9 Speed as it's a more conventional and simple design, and I hope it'll be cheaper for customers too.
As far as I can tell, it was rare for a van to be spec'd with the auto box, except when it was destined for the tiny motorhome market. It's in Stelantis' interests to get people to buy the auto box as it improves the company's carbon emissions average.
We are at the Iveco/Fiat professional in Angouleme, they tell us they have had new 2024 models here for 2 months awaiting for new automatic gear boxes from Fiat who are giving them no information. They told us we are lucky we have the 2023 model. Not good news x
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It's pretty standard for facelifts with substantial changes to mean only some configurations are manufactured first. It doesn't necessarily mean there's an issue or shortage with the box.
Do you mean they are brand new (as in the new 8 speed) and require new gearboxes? Very few of those about as they are only starting to arrive now. All sounds rather strange that there would be failures so soon.
I was surprised too , she said we were lucky ours was old 
prices good there oil and filter change 298 euros, I asked for 1st service price 550 euros
prices good there oil and filter change 298 euros, I asked for 1st service price 550 euros
Thought I would just share this as it seems to confirm this issue does not affect the standard 140 BHP models.
As no one in this thread could categorically confirm that it did not affect the above I contacted Fiat UK by email when my local dealer, Jordan’s of Hull, did not reply to my question.
I outlined what I knew from the forum and I asked them to confirm that my 2022 series 8 140 BHP 9 speed auto box did, or did not, need the software updates and was, or was not, subject of the recall.
They have just phoned me back to confirm mine does not have the recall. Whilst this does not confirm it is the same for possibly others it does seem to add some weight to the belief it did not apply, as presented on here. She could only talk about mine specifically.
Thanks to all who have provided valuable information on this topic, I found it really helpful.
As no one in this thread could categorically confirm that it did not affect the above I contacted Fiat UK by email when my local dealer, Jordan’s of Hull, did not reply to my question.
I outlined what I knew from the forum and I asked them to confirm that my 2022 series 8 140 BHP 9 speed auto box did, or did not, need the software updates and was, or was not, subject of the recall.
They have just phoned me back to confirm mine does not have the recall. Whilst this does not confirm it is the same for possibly others it does seem to add some weight to the belief it did not apply, as presented on here. She could only talk about mine specifically.
Thanks to all who have provided valuable information on this topic, I found it really helpful.
Fiat’s PR on the 8 speed box :
“FIAT Professional introduces the new 8-speed automatic transmission for the New Ducato
FIAT Professional debuts the AT8 model, a new 8-speed automatic transmission, in the New Ducato, including its Camper variant, offering a reduction in CO2 emissions of 10 percent compared to the current automatic version.
The AT8 has a more balanced, efficient, and much more controlled torque for enhanced comfort that is now defined by improved shift times, quality, and control. All these characteristics are derived from the new clutches, resulting in more efficient drivability due to the optimized torque, up to the best-in-class 450 Nm torque for a front wheel-drive large van on the 180 Multijet 4.0 engine.
Another significant innovation is provided by a hydraulic accumulator, a key component in the support of transmission shifts, that manages to increase the proficiency of the output by enabling a faster response time, alongside with refinement during Engine Stop Start.
The new AT8 will also be offered for the Ducato Camper, which will benefit from this significant transmission improvement. The transmission is suitable for Motorhomes up to 5-ton GVW, with an increase of over 600 kg compared to previous models and a total weight including towing of 6.5 tons. This places the New Ducato and FIAT Professional as standout choices in the market.
The anticipated CO2 reduction accompanying the launch of the AT8 was already factored into the creation process of the New Ducato, thanks to its aerodynamic enhancements.”
“FIAT Professional introduces the new 8-speed automatic transmission for the New Ducato
FIAT Professional debuts the AT8 model, a new 8-speed automatic transmission, in the New Ducato, including its Camper variant, offering a reduction in CO2 emissions of 10 percent compared to the current automatic version.
The AT8 has a more balanced, efficient, and much more controlled torque for enhanced comfort that is now defined by improved shift times, quality, and control. All these characteristics are derived from the new clutches, resulting in more efficient drivability due to the optimized torque, up to the best-in-class 450 Nm torque for a front wheel-drive large van on the 180 Multijet 4.0 engine.
Another significant innovation is provided by a hydraulic accumulator, a key component in the support of transmission shifts, that manages to increase the proficiency of the output by enabling a faster response time, alongside with refinement during Engine Stop Start.
The new AT8 will also be offered for the Ducato Camper, which will benefit from this significant transmission improvement. The transmission is suitable for Motorhomes up to 5-ton GVW, with an increase of over 600 kg compared to previous models and a total weight including towing of 6.5 tons. This places the New Ducato and FIAT Professional as standout choices in the market.
The anticipated CO2 reduction accompanying the launch of the AT8 was already factored into the creation process of the New Ducato, thanks to its aerodynamic enhancements.”
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