Electric Motorhomes at Scale, Can't be Far Away Now.

[LesW]

First one I've seen.

 

[AndyPK]

Lots of the Campervan type (about 12) around Ciren………..

 

[cyberyacht]

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Just a case of swapping your plastic disposable gloves for a pair of welding goggles when 'filling up'

 

[VXman]

If you can bear to watch them - Roaming Radfords had one converted...

 

[LesW]

If you can bear to watch them - Roaming Radfords had one converted...

Interesting video, though to be honest I didn't see the point, just driving from one charge point to another looking for free overnight parking.

It also seems unbelievably cramped in the back of that van... though perhaps good for one person.

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[AndyPK]

Interesting video, though to be honest I didn't see the point, just driving from one charge point to another looking for free overnight parking.

It also seems unbelievably cramped in the back of that van... though perhaps good for one person.

My thoughts exactly!

 

[CazPaul]

…..and far fewer cars!!

A rough guide is there are about 30 million more vehicles in the UK compared to Norway.

 

[Barriesimpson]

If of course they do any charging at the campsite. Not many campsites sell diesel but it doesn't put people off. People have a funny idea that everywhere and EV stays overnight has to have a charger why?

Because EV range is piss poor. It's as simple as that.

 

[jerryz]

They just use the battery to heat itself....

I have worked and visited Norway many many times even lived for a year i Bergen . The 70% registrations is not entirely accurate as in winter especially EVs do struggle in Norway , Taxis often die through lack of range and are useless outside of towns ,, Most Norweigans own at least 2 vehicles on may be an EV but for any distance or bad weather the ICA will be taken ,,Actually the Norweigans have recently relaxed some ICE rules especially for Coaches and long distance Taxi vans and have dropped the mandate on them having to be EV .Ther eis now push back as people realise after 15 years that EVs are NOT a Total solution , They work in local areas such as Oslo, Stavanger , Bergen but in the countryside ,,, hmmm

 

[The Wino]

Because EV range is piss poor. It's as simple as that.

Remind me again about how many miles most motorhomes cover a year compared to cars! Yes some do some long distances and awful lot tend to just go away a hundred miles or so for the weekend. We have had our EV car now for three months and done just short of 3000 miles only charged away from home four times. We added 25kwh in 18 minutes on a fast charger the game is changing and pretty rapidly. Remember the scene for EVs and charger network 5 years ago change is gathering pace.

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[Barriesimpson]

Remind me again about how many miles most motorhomes cover a year compared to cars! Yes some do some long distances and awful lot tend to just go away a hundred miles or so for the weekend. We have had our EV car now for three months and done just short of 3000 miles only charged away from home four times. We added 25kwh in 18 minutes on a fast charger the game is changing and pretty rapidly. Remember the scene for EVs and charger network 5 years ago change is gathering pace.

You are not convincing me nor 90% of the population that EVs are the solution. We have all seen they are obviously not.

 

[funflair]

Remind me again about how many miles most motorhomes cover a year compared to cars! Yes some do some long distances and awful lot tend to just go away a hundred miles or so for the weekend. We have had our EV car now for three months and done just short of 3000 miles only charged away from home four times. We added 25kwh in 18 minutes on a fast charger the game is changing and pretty rapidly. Remember the scene for EVs and charger network 5 years ago change is gathering pace.

I think EV range would be related to individual journeys rather than total miles per year, a car is more likely do lots of short journeys which would be more suited to home charging, when we go away in the motorhome the single journey would be between 100 and 250 miles so realistically neither of these would be completed as a round trip allowing any element of home charging.

 

[The Wino]

Well, if everyone had enough to get home, why would anyone bother to build charging points anywhere? So we are all in leccy vans. Parked up, hooked up, and you don't see the advantage of offering people the opportunity to top up. Very entrepreneurial aren't we

It will of course depend on where people are going and the state of charge they have at the time. If they are on a longer journey stopping off for the night and the kWh prices are reasonable of course they will charge overnight. On the other hand if I had enough charge to get home how close will a campsite get to an EV home tariff of 7p a unit? If nowhere near why would I pay a lot more to take spare charge home with me.
It could be a good way for campsites to make money especially at night when they normally probably have quite a low load and would be especially viable if electric companies offer them off peak electricity at low prices.
Whether it's entrepreneurial to offer EV charging is going to depend on lots of factors but a lot on here seem to think ev owners spend all their time snatching charging opportunities as they panic in perpetual range anxiety it's just not the case.

 

[VXman]

Interesting video, though to be honest I didn't see the point, just driving from one charge point to another looking for free overnight parking.

It also seems unbelievably cramped in the back of that van... though perhaps good for one person.

I think that was the point - it was an exercise in seeing if it could be done. As was the whole build to be honest.

 

[The Wino]

I think EV range would be related to individual journeys rather than total miles per year, a car is more likely do lots of short journeys which would be more suited to home charging, when we go away in the motorhome the single journey would be between 100 and 250 miles so realistically neither of these would be completed as a round trip allowing any element of home charging.

It would of course depend on lots of factors. On the 100mile trips a lot will manage and return home to charge. If they haven't got enough range they might charge overnight at a campsite if it's available and a reasonable price or stop at a fast charger and stick enough in to get home with a margin. Fast chargers are expensive at present but the average cost will still be reasonable if you left home with a full charge on cheap rates. The people EVs at present are really unsuitable for are those without the facility to charge at home I don't know how they get around that in other countries.

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[funflair]

It would of course depend on lots of factors. On the 100mile trips a lot will manage and return home to charge. If they haven't got enough range they might charge overnight at a campsite if it's available and a reasonable price or stop at a fast charger and stick enough in to get home with a margin. Fast chargers are expensive at present but the average cost will still be reasonable if you left home with a full charge on cheap rates. The people EVs at present are really unsuitable for are those without the facility to charge at home I don't know how they get around that in other countries.

I get that with cars and even small vans but think that we are still a long way from it working for 8.7m 7.5t motorhomes.

 

[The Wino]

I get that with cars and even small vans but think that we are still a long way from it working for 8.7m 7.5t motorhomes.

I totally agree. What percentage of the motorhome market is 8.7m 7.5t motorhomes though? I think we could be at a point pretty soon where ev PVCs are practical. What happens largely depends on the changes in technology and the political climate. After all there are new advances in battery technology all the time semi solid state said to be available next year on budget EVs a 600 mile range and able to add 250 miles of range in 12 minutes



There's no technological reason why Norway has so many EVs compared to the UK that's just political will.

 

[Folkranger]

First one I've seen.
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Not surprised at the price

 

[funflair]

I totally agree. What percentage of the motorhome market is 8.7m 7.5t motorhomes though? I think we could be at a point pretty soon where ev PVCs are practical. What happens largely depends on the changes in technology and the political climate. After all there are new advances in battery technology all the time semi solid state said to be available next year on budget EVs a 600 mile range and able to add 250 miles of range in 12 minutes



There's no technological reason why Norway has so many EVs compared to the UK that's just political will.

Even 7m will be a struggle until the charging infrastructure moves on, for sure EV cars are advancing at a quicker pace than vans and small truck chassis as most of it is driven by China, personally I have no desire to buy Chinese so my choice will be dictated by the slower moving European chassis manufacturers.

 

[funflair]

First one I've seen.
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You can rent one in Norway as a camper

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[Tombola]

I find our Q4-e-ton which has heat pump loses more like 25-30% in very cold weather , perhaps we’re a bit heavy footed but compared to our ICE petrol it’s far worse

Etrons are notorious for it

 

[Guigsy]

You are not convincing me nor 90% of the population that EVs are the solution. We have all seen they are obviously not.

I think that most of the population haven't figured it out yet. That the reality is that even 100 mile range would probably be fine for 98% of all the trips you make in a year. But they're stuck in the petrol pump mindset. Once you've driven one, you realise EVs with 300 mile range are a waste. You just don't need it.

"I drive 400 miles in a day". Yes, you might do that a couple of times a year. But plug in when you're stopping for a coffee and a wee and it'll probably not cost you any extra time. But it'll save you a ton of money.

 

[68c]

Electric only cheap due to the tax system. Take all of the tax off fossil fuel and it would be a clear winner.
Our local shopping arcade parking has now been reduced by a third for new electric charge bays which are wider than standard. Amusingly there is a notice stating temporarily using recycled vegetable oil to power the portable generator trailer.

 

[gus-lopez]

The latest plug in hybrid cars have a small petrol engine to charge the battery but not connected to the drive chain a lot more mechanically simple

That is what the bmw I 3 had years ago. sad when you see the halfwit towed in to the services because he has run out of both electric & petrol

What you’ll have is 11/22kw chargers at every bay, a 32ah supply rather than the current 16. This is what you see at hotels and the likes, “destination chargers” for people who are staying overnight. So it’s no problem to get to that level.

Don't come to spain then.Outside the big cities you will be struggling for electricity to run a basic house let alone charge anything.

The technology for refuelling ICE vehicles is expensive and dangerous. Big underground fuel tanks, metering pumps, card readers, fire precautions, trained staff etc. However EV charge points are only glorified hookup posts, of which there are dozens in the average camp site. Once the metering and payment arrangements are sorted out, it would be easy to run. EV charge points run automatically from an app and/or card reader. Obviously the site owner would have to decide if the likely returns merited the work to bring a boosted supply onto the site.

as above ,where is all this electrical capacity coming from? We have shortages in the summer every year since I have lived here in spain

The idea of stopping at a service station for 45mins each day to recharge does not add a thrill to our holiday.

Even worse if it is 3 or 4 times per day

t's a lot easier to fit a charging point than it is to create a diesel filling station. So when you're parked up overnight, you plug in. Or when you're stopped at that interesting tourist spot for a c

Assuming they have charging points? Most fuel stations here have generators as they usually do not have sufficient electricity capacity supplied to run the fuel station let alone supply power for ev charging.My local one has a generator. The commercial centre up the road has solar panels yet there are 27 teu sized generators spread out across all the roofs of the buildings as back up power

Tell that to the Norwegians. 90% of cars sold were pure EVs last year.

Nearly 90% of New Car Sales in Norway Were EVs in 2024 - EcoWatch

According to new data from the Norwegian Road Federation (OFV), nearly 90% of new vehicles sold in Norway in 2024 were electric.

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Yes & used in & around townwhen travelling across country the 4x4 comes out

As I understand it about 95% of daily journeys in cars can very comfortably be done in an electric car without having to recharge.

most could & should be done walking,cycling or public transport

And Norway are already at 90% pure EVs. With far harsher conditions and much longer gaps between towns.

as above they take the diesel

EVs with a heat pump are about 10-20% less efficient in sub zero temperatures.

What sort of temperature can I expect from the heater? I'm usually running at 67ºc in autumn/winter & when sleeping in it overnight.

My 10 mile drive to work this morning

should be by a different method .this is the problem.

Mazda are already doing this by putting a small petrol rotary engine under the bonnet of their electric cars which will generate electricity when the battery runs out, thereby massively increasing the range.

as above .ok as long as the half wits don't run out of both.

First one I've seen.
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start around 49k in the uk. saw a boke using it for dumping tree & garden rubbish a few times in devon last summer.

On the 100mile trips a lot will manage and return home to charge

Here to get the capacity needed to run your house & charge an electric vehicle you will probably have your standing charge for the supply up between 50 & 100 € per month just for being allowed to use yp to that amount. Here you pay for each Kw of power they supply you -The average UK domestic supply of 80A , here in spain will cost you 82€/month + electricity tax of 5,5% = 86,51 + vat@21% = 104,67€ before you even use anything.

There's no technological reason why Norway has so many EVs compared to the UK that's just political will.

ideal around town

But plug in when you're stopping for a coffee and a wee

I do that without turning off the engine.

Amusingly there is a notice stating temporarily using recycled vegetable oil to power the portable generator trailer.

should not be allowed. Should be forced to wait for the electricity supply to be installed & show it all up for the shambles that it all is.

 

[Barriesimpson]

I think that most of the population haven't figured it out yet. That the reality is that even 100 mile range would probably be fine for 98% of all the trips you make in a year. But they're stuck in the petrol pump mindset. Once you've driven one, you realise EVs with 300 mile range are a waste. You just don't need it.

"I drive 400 miles in a day". Yes, you might do that a couple of times a year. But plug in when you're stopping for a coffee and a wee and it'll probably not cost you any extra time. But it'll save you a ton of money.

What I don't need is to be waiting to charge the vehicle for an hour.

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[enark]

Remind me again about how many miles most motorhomes cover a year compared to cars! Yes some do some long distances and awful lot tend to just go away a hundred miles or so for the weekend. We have had our EV car now for three months and done just short of 3000 miles only charged away from home four times. We added 25kwh in 18 minutes on a fast charger the game is changing and pretty rapidly. Remember the scene for EVs and charger network 5 years ago change is gathering pace.

I just couldnt be arsed with all the flaff of worrying about chargers, can i get in, how long etc etc.

At least with diesel you know where you stand, full tank 450 miles off you go….loads of filling stations, easily accessed and its five minutes to refill

 

[Barriesimpson]

I just couldnt be arsed with all the flaff of worrying about chargers, can i get in, how long etc etc.

At least with diesel you know where you stand, full tank 450 miles off you go….loads of filling stations, easily accessed and its five minutes to refill

Exactly.

 

[Guigsy]

What I don't need is to be waiting to charge the vehicle for an hour.

Let's assume you start with a full battery and you arrive pretty much empty.

With a bottom rung MG4, you'd get to 452 miles with only an hour of charging required. I bet if you drove that distance, you'd be stopping for more than an hour.

An Ioniq 5 will get you 947 miles with only an hour of charging!

 

[Guigsy]

I just couldnt be arsed with all the flaff of worrying about chargers, can i get in, how long etc etc.

I can't be arsed with all this diverting from my route to faff with stinky diesel every few hundred miles. My car is already full every morning.

 

[Barriesimpson]

Let's assume you start with a full battery and you arrive pretty much empty.

With a bottom rung MG4, you'd get to 452 miles with only an hour of charging required. I bet if you drove that distance, you'd be stopping for more than an hour.

An Ioniq 5 will get you 947 miles with only an hour of charging!

You're a good salesman, but it's not working on me , electric cars are not the future. Most manufacturers have realised this now and are abandoning the technology.

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