eBike security when on site?

[Dutch 68]

Forget about gold standard locks, there is nothing golden about those standards , it will be seconds to compromise them , look on the wall of shame on the Almax website, where the locks of the so called A brands get cut in seconds, Almax and pragmasis chains are the only two worth buying, but are extremely heavy, I lock my Ducati up with it when at home attached to a concreted in ground anchor, which is very secure but you can’t take it with you, it is just to heavy.

 

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[ToGoldlyBo]

Forget about gold standard locks, there is nothing golden about those standards , it will be seconds to compromise them , look on the wall of shame on the Almax website, where the locks of the so called A brands get cut in seconds, Almax and pragmasis chains are the only two worth buying, but are extremely heavy, I lock my Ducati up with it when at home attached to a concreted in ground anchor, which is very secure but you can’t take it with you, it is just to heavy.

The key issues are quality of steel, thickness of steel and weight (transportability matters). It is certainly true that my chain can be bolt cropped, but not with anything you can carry in your back pocket. You will need monster croppers and strength. Doable? Absolutely. Though watch out for the alarm. And if you make it, my insurance well get me a new bike. It's only a bike, I'm not emotionally wedded to it!!!. But frankly, the bike of the guy next door is more accessible..........

 

[Dogsense]

We have two electric bikes on a bikes rack attached to the towing ball, Gold Rated D Lock, we extended the MoHo Alarm system with a closed circuit (two sockets at the end of the MoHo (under the body) and a long cable plugged in one socket and Threaded through the 4 wheels of the bikes and plugged in the second socket. Cut or in plugged the cable will activate the alarm.

 

[Claire Ambler]

I have an eyebolt through the rear bulkhead, my bike is then secured with a high quality chain lock and a secondary cable that goes around both wheels and through the frame. Sadly, if some thieving scumbag wants it they will find a way to remove it from your possession

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[gerrym11]

Forget about gold standard locks, there is nothing golden about those standards , it will be seconds to compromise them , look on the wall of shame on the Almax website, where the locks of the so called A brands get cut in seconds, Almax and pragmasis chains are the only two worth buying, but are extremely heavy, I lock my Ducati up with it when at home attached to a concreted in ground anchor, which is very secure but you can’t take it with you, it is just to heavy.

Then you may as well forget about all security as it can all be bypassed in a short space of time. I'd certainly recommend that if someone wants to secure an e-bike then use a gold standard lock and remove battery if possible.

 

[Richard n Ann]

Looked the almax brand up on ebay. The best one is £499. That's a nice insensitive then if they grind a link out and take it with them, probably still worth £400 to sell on.

 

[Peter Goadby]

Got a Chausson 610 specifically for the garage to store 2 e-bikes. It is 6.69m long with a garage large enough for bikes and other stuff. We are paranoid and wouldn't consider a bike rack with expensive bikes on. Watched a video of how a thief took bikes on a rear bike rack - no messing about with bolt crops to cut chains or alarm chains. The thief used a battery powered angle grinder and just cut the rack supports then took both bikes and the rack away to sort it out miles away. This process took about 30 seconds. My advice is get a MH with a garage

 

[Quantox]

Normally bike insurance requires the bike to be locked to an immovable object and a motor vehicle often doesn’t count as one.
No substitute for a garage in the a Motorhome if you are going to take expensive bikes with you.

I've checked this with Comfort Ins. and they confirmed that the moho is considered to be an immovable object in this regard.

 

[Lenny HB]

I've checked this with Comfort Ins. and they confirmed that the moho is considered to be an immovable object in this regard.

It's the bike insurer you need to check with.

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[Blaydon]

Years ago there were two very clever bike locks.
One locked the steering. If you have ever tried to ride a bike with the steering locked, it is impossible. You start off OK but after a few yards you just fall over.

The second was a spike that was mounted under the saddle. It worked on a lever. The spike came up through a hole in the saddle and then was padlocked in place. No matter how brave you are, your are not going to ride a bike with a 4" spike pointing at your cycle helmet so to speak.

Alas these devises are no longer available - but worth thinking about.

In principle, anti theft devices are very simple. Get it out of site, make it harder to steal than the one further down the road, or make it attract attention if you tamper with it.

D

 

[uzsnowdrop]

Years ago there were two very clever bike locks.
One locked the steering. If you have ever tried to ride a bike with the steering locked, it is impossible. You start off OK but after a few yards you just fall over.

The second was a spike that was mounted under the saddle. It worked on a lever. The spike came up through a hole in the saddle and then was padlocked in place. No matter how brave you are, your are not going to ride a bike with a 4" spike pointing at your cycle helmet so to speak.

Alas these devises are no longer available - but worth thinking about.

In principle, anti theft devices are very simple. Get it out of site, make it harder to steal than the one further down the road, or make it attract attention if you tamper with it.

D

What about an ejector seat?

 

[Blaydon]

What about an ejector seat?

I'm working on one of those for the Motor Home - the worrying thing is, the boss will use it when she is driving!

D

 

[ToGoldlyBo]

Is the one with the 4 inch spike an injector seat?

 

[seamus62]

Got a Chausson 610 specifically for the garage to store 2 e-bikes. It is 6.69m long with a garage large enough for bikes and other stuff. We are paranoid and wouldn't consider a bike rack with expensive bikes on. Watched a video of how a thief took bikes on a rear bike rack - no messing about with bolt crops to cut chains or alarm chains. The thief used a battery powered angle grinder and just cut the rack supports then took both bikes and the rack away to sort it out miles away. This process took about 30 seconds. My advice is get a MH with a garage

I reckon 30 to 60 seconds at most is all I'd need to remove a bike rack from its fixings. No angle grinder required. Anyone who has put one one wil know exactly how easily and quickly (and quietly) they can be taken off. If bikes are to be chained to the rack then they need to be additionally fixed to something else or alarmed.

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[carolyn]

It's the bike insurer you need to check with.

You’re absolutely right, we had trouble as we’ve got a PVC with a towball mounted bike rack. In the end the only one we could find 3 years ago that definitely counted a motorhome as an immovable object was Aviva and even they would only cover ebikes in their ”expensive items” section and not in their “bikes” section. He agreed it was absurd as they would insure ordinary bikes that were worth up to £10,000 ! This is on our house policy. Strangely this year the renewal price dropped by over £70 , they are a mystery.

 

[Lenny HB]

You’re absolutely right,

 

[Off da Grid]

Haven’t get e bikes but the bike is a stupid expensive MTB.
A f#£&off big 16mm hardened chain through the rear suspension of the van then the bikes and another really expensive padlock specified by my expensive bike insurance. New for old even abroad.
Plus the same around the top tubes of the bikes and pad lock the whole lot adds 10kg to the bikes.
Even with an angle grinder I would hope the hassle would put off most thieves and make them look else where at the rest of the bikes just lent up against the nearest post or tree unlocked on the site.

 

[uzsnowdrop]

Everyone keeps talking about chains, aint they heavy? Is there a tough wire solution?

 

[Off da Grid]

My chain weighs more than half the weight of the bike.
It’s for static use only.
If we go out and about and leave the bikes we use the shorter chain and a 16mm cable, with the stupid expensive big padlock

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[Roger20]

We have two electric bikes on a bikes rack attached to the towing ball, Gold Rated D Lock, we extended the MoHo Alarm system with a closed circuit (two sockets at the end of the MoHo (under the body) and a long cable plugged in one socket and Threaded through the 4 wheels of the bikes and plugged in the second socket. Cut or in plugged the cable will activate the alarm.

Wire cutter that just strips the outer cable insulation at both ends, join between with a longish wire and then cut the middle bit out which is threaded through the bikes - 30 seconds? A multicore wire might take rather longer though but still vulnerable.