Ducato engine/gearbox given up in France.

[62272]

the search of that text will reveal the garage in question

 

[Swyli]

Obviously I (and you) have no idea what the prognosis is but
is seems like the power train has become seriously faulty.
From being on here a fair few number of years it seems to be
the rule that our french cousins will have your pants down when
it comes to a repair. I'm not saying that they will be unprofessional
but anecdotal evidence suggests that they will charge you for X amount
of days to do the job but they only work a short day.

Time and time again funsters have reported being charged way more than
they would in the UK.
If I were you I would push hard to get your pride and joy repatriated
back to the UK.

I so feel for you, but Yes, try & get repatriated, our car broke down in France, the repair garage was trying to tell my husband it needed a new gearbox, he was unconvinced, we came home ( hire car) car repatriated, it turned out to be something small costing £30 cant remember the name but something in the brain box of the car, goodness knows how much the French garage bill would have been. Hope all turns out ell for you.

 

[chaser]

And on that tin, amongst several pages of similar blurb, is the following…

OUR MISSION​

The purpose of xxx is to provide our customers with the best possible service and confidence that we will give the best care to their vehicles.
We will do this by taking ownership of our own personal appearance and area. We’ll work together and cooperate with one another, acknowledging that each and every one of us has our own area of expertise. We will continue to invest in external and internal training so we can improve our systems and processes to enable us to be at the top of our game. We’ll strive to create an environment for our workforce that is always evolving, taking into account all feedback and we will measure our customer feedback to enable us to continuously improve our service to them.
We highly value the positive relationship we have with our customers and will reward loyalty. Team xxx are committed to living by our values and culture to deliver our customers’ expectations.

I can post more pages if there's a demand

This is all very well if it actually is their fault, can't see them paying out unless you can prove it.

 

[pappajohn]

[[JCB has shattered the record for the world's fast tractor - reaching a speed of 135.19mph and a top speed of 153.771mph. The Guinness World Records has crowned the UK machinery firm's Fastrac Two as the world's fastest tractor during a run at Elvington Airfield]]

No mention of the driver then.

Guy Martin.

I thought that record had been unofficially broken by an American on a regular type tractor (big wheels at back, small at front) with a massive V8 petrol engine

 

[Riverbankannie]

The cam belt and water pump change by our independent garage came with warranty against any failure - I cannot check the paperwork from here for how many months but I remember being surprised by it when I collected the van.
This may be the case for Mixyblob too.

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[Spriddler]

The cam belt and water pump change by our independent garage came with warranty against any failure - I cannot check the paperwork from here for how many months but I remember being surprised by it when I collected the van.
This may be the case for Mixyblob too.

Yebbut, it's necessary to establish/agree the cause of the damage. In this case the belt was in place, correctly timed and tensioned.

 

[Mixyblob]

Quick update…..
Cycled to the Fiat garage today, as they were not replying to my emails.
Some good news and some bad.
The manager who was dealing with us is on holiday till 2nd May hence no email reply.
The replacement engine has arrived from Italy but the one mechanic who was due to do the swap is off with covid.
Watch this space…..

 

[flatpackchicken]

Quick update…..
Cycled to the Fiat garage today, as they were not replying to my emails.
Some good news and some bad.
The manager who was dealing with us is on holiday till 2nd May hence no email reply.
The replacement engine has arrived from Italy but the one mechanic who was due to do the swap is off with covid.
Watch this space…..

Chin up, that’s life. As long as it works out in the end that’s all you need Huh but thanks for the update Mine took 4 weeks to the day to get back on the road as waiting for engine part from Germany
Good luck

 

[Catpirate]

Must feel so frustrating. It is the not knowing that drives you mad. Been there, all the best.

 

[Wack]

Hi again mixi, my brother is so unnerved he has ordered a spare engine and gearbox. He too has a similar motorhome and only tours the uk. He will store it in the garage just in case.

Really , thats crazy , is he going to tow it on a trailer whenever he goes away

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[Jackd]

I’ve been intrigued by what could have failed on this motor with the timing belt still in place and the fact that only the inlet valves have left marks on the pistons.
I mentioned it to a race car builder mate this evening, and gave him the details of the damage.

Within 10secs he came up with an explanation that hadn’t even occurred to me or anyone else on here as far as I know.

He said “check the woodruff key on the crank pulley” “I bet it’s sheared”

Given all the evidence, this diagnosis does add up to be a real possibility.

What do the mechanically minded amongst you think?

 

[Phill D]

I’ve been intrigued by what could have failed on this motor with the timing belt still in place and the fact that only the inlet valves have left marks on the pistons.
I mentioned it to a race car builder mate this evening, and gave him the details of the damage.

Within 10secs he came up with an explanation that hadn’t even occurred to me or anyone else on here as far as I know.

He said “check the woodruff key on the crank pulley” “I bet it’s sheared”

Given all the evidence, this diagnosis does add up to be a real possibility.

What do the mechanically minded amongst you think?

i dont believe this cam has a woodruff key fixing..

 

[Jackd]

i dont believe this cam has a woodruff key fixing..

What about the crank pulley?

 

[jockaneezer]

I've only ever removed two crankshaft pulleys, both times it was to replace the oil seal behind them. Can't remember if there were Woodruffe keys or not, but undoing the crankshaft bolt was a mammoth task. Breaker bars with scaffold poles got nowhere and eventually had to borrow a 3/4" drive impact wrench, which took a few goes to get them loose.
Maybe on a race car that's had the pulley off a few times and is producing phenomenal horse power it could happen but I think it's unlikely on a van ?
Incidentally, the only time I've ever sheared a crankshaft Woodruffe key was on my lawnmower when I clattered a hidden tree stump !
I still think the damage was started at the belt change due to the witness marks on all the pistons ?

 

[gus-lopez]

He said “check the woodruff key on the crank pulley” “I bet it’s sheared”

Don't know about the crank but a possibility but on my transit the cam shafts have no keys just a taper & rey on the tightness of the bolt. Also, as I posted previously , the cam lobes are "push fit" & have been known to be knocked out of alignment.also the whole double cam assembly can only be purchased as a complete assembly & only from fords or someone who buys & sells on dismantled new crate motors.

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[Jackd]

Here’s an image of a 2016 2.3 multi jet crankshaft timing pulley.
Definitely a keyway of some kind, although I would have expected a square one for a typical woodruff key.

 

[DBK]

Here’s an image of a 2016 2.3 multi jet crankshaft timing pulley.
Definitely a keyway of some kind, although I would have expected a square one for a typical woodruff key.
View attachment 611081

Looks like a Scotch key, which is a circular pin. Does the same job. But it shouldn't have failed in normal service. Either it wasn't replaced or the problem was elsewhere.

 

[dunnah01]

The carbon build up on the remaining exhaust valve in the failed cylinder probably points to some longer standing combustion problem rather than a timing issue.

 

[mitzimad]

I've only ever removed two crankshaft pulleys, both times it was to replace the oil seal behind them. Can't remember if there were Woodruffe keys or not, but undoing the crankshaft bolt was a mammoth task. Breaker bars with scaffold poles got nowhere and eventually had to borrow a 3/4" drive impact wrench, which took a few goes to get them loose.
Maybe on a race car that's had the pulley off a few times and is producing phenomenal horse power it could happen but I think it's unlikely on a van ?
Incidentally, the only time I've ever sheared a crankshaft Woodruffe key was on my lawnmower when I clattered a hidden tree stump !
I still think the damage was started at the belt change due to the witness marks on all the pistons ?

its a common problem on vivaros etcaux belt get wound into the cam belt if you luckythe key shears and minimises damage

 

[jockaneezer]

Just found the garage's security cam footage of them changing your cambelt

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[vzac]

Could it not be the duel mass thingy. Mine went once at 6 months old. Bang, clunks, lights etc.

 

[Jimsnap]

Was there ever a final update on this?

 

[Mixyblob]

Just found the garage's security cam footage of them changing your cambelt

can't be, that one worked.

 

[Mixyblob]

Was there ever a final update on this?

No, its still languishing in a French Fiat garage while the one mechanic who can do the job recovers from Covid.

 

[Jimsnap]

No, its still languishing in a French Fiat garage while the one mechanic who can do the job recovers from Covid.

Crickey, sorry to hear that, hope you get it sorted soon.

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[Mixyblob]

UPDATE.
Mechanic back at work today, opens box containing new engine, all ready to fit it.
Wrong f in engine
Apparently its not their fault, Fiat Italy sent the wrong one. Grrrr.

 

[chaser]

UPDATE.
Mechanic back at work today, opens box containing new engine, all ready to fit it.
Wrong f in engine
Apparently its not their fault, Fiat Italy sent the wrong one. Grrrr.

What can you say? Total fiasco.
Is the breakdown insurance still paying for your hotel?
When was you coming home?

 

[Mixyblob]

What can you say? Total fiasco.
Is the breakdown insurance still paying for your hotel?
When was you coming home?

Insurance covered first 4 days

 

[Mixyblob]

The difference between the old and new (wrong) engine are shown in these two photos.
My thinking is why not blank off the hole and get on with it. Or can anyone who is clued up on these engines kindly enlighten me otherwise?

 

[Figaro]

Maybe the hole is needed in a different place ?

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