Doc on tour, France, Spain, Morroco.

Northernraider said:
Yes unfortunately it's like I can take my dogs of the street but you can't take the street out the dogs ...they will always still scavenge etc

And I think the culture thing here is used to living in a shithole and unfortunately if they go live somewhere else it too becomes a shithole.


But to be fair it isn't just immigrants.

I remember one of the first flats I bought ,it was in a reasonably good area . But there were still many council flats in the streets around. When the council demolished and re developed one very bad area they re housed the people in various other streets that were up and coming in the hope that would encourage the people to live better ...sadly it didn't they just brought the area down , gardens like dumping grounds, broken knackered cars outside and in the drives. Loud music bins never emptied etc etc.

Makes a complete joke of all the environmental shit we've to put up with in the UK though as these countries counteract any progress made .

There could easily be a recycling system and waste disposal plan introduced here but there isn't.

The bins get collected and often surface dumped on beaches or woodland , sometimes they Bury it in the sand and the tide washes it out to sea and other times they just take their bag of rubbish to a spot and set fire to it and walk away .


There's trash everywhere.

And the ground around the markets is filthy with rotten fruit and veg just left on the ground , greasy smelly water from cooking or fish etc .


Even the supermarkets there's a nasty smell in some of the aisles either from spilled stuff that's not been cleaned up or from not changing the water in the mop buckets often enough ... its just a very dirty country. There's not a single restaurant, food stall or shop here would pass an inspection by the food standards we have in the UK.


Once you see it you can't unsee it sadly .


There is beautiful scenery here, there's not a lot of great architecture....its quite dull in that respect. Buildings aren't that interesting on the whole , I only really find the people who want to sell you something or want something from you to be friendly the rest are not...and the ones trying to sell you things are friendly till you say no then they change quite a bit ...I think I've been cursed under breath quite a few times.. the drivers are terrible, the lorry drivers and taxi drivers are lethal and they will barge you out the way. There doesn't seem to be any real thought for life... cyclists, pedestrians and folk using donkey drawn buggies etc risk their lives everytime they cross a road... there's zebra crossings buy no one ever stops at them ...I've seen folk nearly mown down by these taxis .

It's one country where i can categorically state I could never ever live in .

If it wasn't for shengen I'd be out of here by now .. but I can't wait to get back to Spain and civilisation.
Click to expand...
It seems to me from your postings that your three biggest personal life rules/values are social order, spotless cleanliness and animal protection, and therefore Morocco being the absolute polar opposite to those values with their chaotic/unpredictable life, rubbish dumping and indifference to animals makes it so unbearable for you... I definitely wouldn't recommend you going to India, I think you're head would explode... :)

So, maybe the way forward is to return to Europe and apply for Swiss citizenship - I suspect that'd be your real spiritual home :)
 
Reallyretired said:
I've never been to Morocco and following some descriptions on here I have no wish too. I have been to Turkye and its much better, but much of it is very cold in the winter. I shall just have to put up with 90/180 I think.
Click to expand...

I have gained the same impression of Morocco and would not want to go there. As for Turkey I have several reasons not to go there.

Cyprus is currently an option to avoid Schengen but if their government has its way they will join Schengen in 2025. I wonder if Cyprus can make a special deal for UK Citizens or whether one can avoid the 90/180 rule if one is visiting the British Sovereign Bases of Dhekalia and Akrotiri?
 
EssexBoy said:
It seems to me from your postings that your three biggest personal life rules/values are social order, spotless cleanliness and animal protection, and therefore Morocco being the absolute polar opposite to those values with their chaotic/unpredictable life, rubbish dumping and indifference to animals makes it so unbearable for you... I definitely wouldn't recommend you going to India, I think you're head would explode... :)

So, maybe the way forward is to return to Europe and apply for Swiss citizenship - I suspect that'd be your real spiritual home :)
Click to expand...
I've never had much desire to go to India to be honest.

I said last time I was here I wouldn't be back , I had second thoughts before I came back. I came for 2 reasons , paintwork and shengen time. But I knew after only a few days here I definitely will not be back a third time.

Wasn't keen on Switzerland either though.

Best thing that could happen is a reversal of the 2016 mistake. Then I'd not need to bother with places like this shithole.
 
You can't stay in Cyprus for more than 90 days on a British passport (legally).

Subscribers  do not see these advertisements

 
These are the only non Schengen countries left in Europe now I think.

  • Albania
  • Armenia
  • Azerbaijan
  • Belarus
  • Bosnia & Herzegovina
  • Macedonia
  • Moldova
  • Montenegro
  • Serbia
  • Ukraine
  • United Kingdom
 
ChrisL said:
These are the only non Schengen countries left in Europe now I think.

  • Albania
  • Armenia
  • Azerbaijan
  • Belarus
  • Bosnia & Herzegovina
  • Macedonia
  • Moldova
  • Montenegro
  • Serbia
  • Ukraine
  • United Kingdom
Click to expand...
Yeah i know .. and most you wouldn't want to go to unfortunately.
 
Northernraider said:
Yeah i know .. and most you wouldn't want to go to unfortunately.
Click to expand...

Montenegro is said to be quite nice and one could use it as a base and travel into the nearby other countries on the list. Might not be very warm though.

Subscribers  do not see these advertisements

 
nicholsong said:
Montenegro is said to be quite nice and one could use it as a base and travel into the nearby other countries on the list. Might not be very warm though.
Click to expand...
Montenegro from what i saw of it is very beautiful, mountains and scenery but I was there October/November and it was cold and wet ...so was Albania which I didn't like as much .
 
Azerbaijan would be good to visit, it's quite prosperous but you need special permission to enter via a land border with your own vehicle and I think you're only allowed 30 days. My Niece's husband is Azerbaijani and i've seen some photos, it looks nice especially in the mountains.

Subscribers  do not see these advertisements

 
ChrisL said:
Azerbaijan would be good to visit, it's quite prosperous but you need special permission to enter via a land border with your own vehicle and I think you're only allowed 30 days. My Niece's husband is Azerbaijani and i've seen some photos, it looks nice especially in the mountains.
Click to expand...
Weren't allowed in last year when I was in Georgia as it was on my list..but lots of conflicts over that way and again it's bloody cold in winter. Lots of snow in Turkey and Georgia Jan and Feb
 
Onemanandhisdog said:
I might disguise myself as a dog, took 20 minutes and 30€ to get him an EU passport, I just don't fancy being microchipped!
Click to expand...
Nor having your temperature taken 😂

Subscribers  do not see these advertisements

 
15edward said:
Have you thought about a Portuguese visa?
Click to expand...
I haven't...to be honest up till now I've been lazy and I've not looked in to any of them including the French one for 6 months.


But as it stands now I basically have 3 options

I either apply for one of these visas

I jump in buy land in Portugal apply for residency.

Or I give up vanlife, buy a flat and return to a normal job for at least a few years

Because 3 months isn't long enough for me to escape the UK and the really cold winters . I don't even really need high temps or constant sun I just don't want months of grey skies and rain ...I can't cope with it in a house never mind a van .
But the countries outwith shengen nowadays are not the best . If you come to Spain the only place to go is Morocco and for me it just isn't worth it. It's actually depressing me .

Going east then its Turkey but even getting there is really far.


It's not great either way really and I'm not sure what the answer is longterm .

But I need to look in to these visas....
 
I love Scotland and live here. I can’t imagine moving. But the weather is undoubtedly better in the SE of England. Maybe a flat down there and working for a couple of years would give you a chance to re-evaluate? As well as a change of scene.

Subscribers  do not see these advertisements

 
I really don't understand all this mither, everyone keeps on about 90 days but that's not it though is it, you get two 90 days a year so all in all you actually get 6 months away, how much more do you need for god's sake.
Northernraider said:
I haven't...to be honest up till now I've been lazy and I've not looked in to any of them including the French one for 6 months.


But as it stands now I basically have 3 options

I either apply for one of these visas

I jump in buy land in Portugal apply for residency.

Or I give up vanlife, buy a flat and return to a normal job for at least a few years

Because 3 months isn't long enough for me to escape the UK and the really cold winters . I don't even really need high temps or constant sun I just don't want months of grey skies and rain ...I can't cope with it in a house never mind a van .
But the countries outwith shengen nowadays are not the best . If you come to Spain the only place to go is Morocco and for me it just isn't worth it. It's actually depressing me .

Going east then its Turkey but even getting there is really far.


It's not great either way really and I'm not sure what the answer is longterm .

But I need to look in to these visas....
Click to expand...
 
chaser said:
I really don't understand all this mither, everyone keeps on about 90 days but that's not it though is it, you get two 90 days a year so all in all you actually get 6 months away, how much more do you need for god's sake.
Click to expand...
But the six months has to be split according to the rules. Two periods of 90 days with 90 days between the visits for example.
 

Join us or log in to post a reply.

To join in you must be a member of MotorhomeFun

Join MotorhomeFun

Join us, it quick and easy!

Join us

Log in

Already a member? Log in here.

Latest journal entries

Back
Top