Doc on tour, France, Spain, Morroco.

[mackeellan]

My brother was handling war dogs at a secure establishment years ago and a jumped up type shouted and gave him grief when questioned about his guest (no guests permitted). He pretended he lost control of the dog and just managed to stop it ripping the guy apart. The guy wet himself but couldn't complain.
Now the reason for this is me wishing Ela could do the same when treated by imbeciles like that. Would make my day.
Good luck Tam

 

[chaser]

If it was a culture thing then all Muslims would do it surely .

I don't believe it is , I think it's just certain scumbags who think they can get away with it. If I'd have been in any eu country that woman would have had a rock thrown back at her.

The only reason I didn't was because I don't trust anyone in this country including the police.

After seeing the state of the chickens etc here too I wouldn't buy any chicken or meat here either . I'm glad I brought a fair bit with me in the freezer .

While I appreciate there is poverty etc here , every person has a phone they're always on them ,they can therfore see the outside world and how a civilised society behaves. Also most of the cars parked here yesterday were 4/5 years old etc so the people here on the beach werent/aren't poor or uneducated as I doubt cars are cheap here.
I do personally feel a lot of people gloss over or excuse the culture etc here under the banner of poverty etc but I think on the whole it's a cop out .

There is poverty for sure.... but it doesn't excuse the squalor etc , the amount of families I watched yesterday just throwing their trash on the beach and leaving it behind them was unreal.

The only country I've seen thst comes close to the behaviour was Turkey.... closely followed by Albania...and sadly all three have one major thing in common .

And dare I say it because I'm normally the first to say you can't judge that way but I'm starting to see why many big UK cities are becoming the way they are .

It's quite eye opening

A lot at the end there that I and others have been saying for years but usually just get called names for it.

 

[Northernraider]

A lot at the end there that I and others have been saying for years but usually just get called names for it.

Yes unfortunately it's like I can take my dogs of the street but you can't take the street out the dogs ...they will always still scavenge etc

And I think the culture thing here is used to living in a shithole and unfortunately if they go live somewhere else it too becomes a shithole.


But to be fair it isn't just immigrants.

I remember one of the first flats I bought ,it was in a reasonably good area . But there were still many council flats in the streets around. When the council demolished and re developed one very bad area they re housed the people in various other streets that were up and coming in the hope that would encourage the people to live better ...sadly it didn't they just brought the area down , gardens like dumping grounds, broken knackered cars outside and in the drives. Loud music bins never emptied etc etc.

Makes a complete joke of all the environmental shit we've to put up with in the UK though as these countries counteract any progress made .

There could easily be a recycling system and waste disposal plan introduced here but there isn't.

The bins get collected and often surface dumped on beaches or woodland , sometimes they Bury it in the sand and the tide washes it out to sea and other times they just take their bag of rubbish to a spot and set fire to it and walk away .


There's trash everywhere.

And the ground around the markets is filthy with rotten fruit and veg just left on the ground , greasy smelly water from cooking or fish etc .


Even the supermarkets there's a nasty smell in some of the aisles either from spilled stuff that's not been cleaned up or from not changing the water in the mop buckets often enough ... its just a very dirty country. There's not a single restaurant, food stall or shop here would pass an inspection by the food standards we have in the UK.


Once you see it you can't unsee it sadly .


There is beautiful scenery here, there's not a lot of great architecture....its quite dull in that respect. Buildings aren't that interesting on the whole , I only really find the people who want to sell you something or want something from you to be friendly the rest are not...and the ones trying to sell you things are friendly till you say no then they change quite a bit ...I think I've been cursed under breath quite a few times.. the drivers are terrible, the lorry drivers and taxi drivers are lethal and they will barge you out the way. There doesn't seem to be any real thought for life... cyclists, pedestrians and folk using donkey drawn buggies etc risk their lives everytime they cross a road... there's zebra crossings buy no one ever stops at them ...I've seen folk nearly mown down by these taxis .

It's one country where i can categorically state I could never ever live in .

If it wasn't for shengen I'd be out of here by now .. but I can't wait to get back to Spain and civilisation.

 

[chaser]

Yes unfortunately it's like I can take my dogs of the street but you can't take the street out the dogs ...they will always still scavenge etc

And I think the culture thing here is used to living in a shithole and unfortunately if they go live somewhere else it too becomes a shithole.


But to be fair it isn't just immigrants.

I remember one of the first flats I bought ,it was in a reasonably good area . But there were still many council flats in the streets around. When the council demolished and re developed one very bad area they re housed the people in various other streets that were up and coming in the hope that would encourage the people to live better ...sadly it didn't they just brought the area down , gardens like dumping grounds, broken knackered cars outside and in the drives. Loud music bins never emptied etc etc.

Makes a complete joke of all the environmental shit we've to put up with in the UK though as these countries counteract any progress made .

There could easily be a recycling system and waste disposal plan introduced here but there isn't.

The bins get collected and often surface dumped on beaches or woodland , sometimes they Bury it in the sand and the tide washes it out to sea and other times they just take their bag of rubbish to a spot and set fire to it and walk away .


There's trash everywhere.

And the ground around the markets is filthy with rotten fruit and veg just left on the ground , greasy smelly water from cooking or fish etc .


Even the supermarkets there's a nasty smell in some of the aisles either from spilled stuff that's not been cleaned up or from not changing the water in the mop buckets often enough ... its just a very dirty country. There's not a single restaurant, food stall or shop here would pass an inspection by the food standards we have in the UK.


Once you see it you can't unsee it sadly .


There is beautiful scenery here, there's not a lot of great architecture....its quite dull in that respect. Buildings aren't that interesting on the whole , I only really find the people who want to sell you something or want something from you to be friendly the rest are not...and the ones trying to sell you things are friendly till you say no then they change quite a bit ...I think I've been cursed under breath quite a few times.. the drivers are terrible, the lorry drivers and taxi drivers are lethal and they will barge you out the way. There doesn't seem to be any real thought for life... cyclists, pedestrians and folk using donkey drawn buggies etc risk their lives everytime they cross a road... there's zebra crossings buy no one ever stops at them ...I've seen folk nearly mown down by these taxis .

It's one country where i can categorically state I could never ever live in .

If it wasn't for shengen I'd be out of here by now .. but I can't wait to get back to Spain and civilisation.

Most of what you write there , you could well be in the middle of Birmingham ( other towns are available)

 

[Northernraider]

Most of what you write there , you could well be in the middle of Birmingham ( other towns are available)

Yes I know. I've seen the middle of Birmingham. I have to say Scotland is a bit different. Even Edinburgh and Glasgow I don't think has got quite to that stage.

I don't know what the answer is too it though unfortunately.

It's the UK system that's at fault , can't blame people for trying to better their lives but I can't just rock up in Spain etc and get benefits and a house so I'm not sure why the UK does it so easily.

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[sonny]

The dogs go scavaging as do some marrocans. So it’s seen as competition

 

[ChrisL]

There is beautiful scenery here, there's not a lot of great architecture....its quite dull in that respect.

Have you been too Volubilis before? It is a Roman city near Fez and a world heritage site, it might be worth a visit if you are into history.

Archaeological Site of Volubilis

The Mauritanian capital, founded in the 3rd century B.C., became an important outpost of the Roman Empire and was graced with many fine buildings. Extensive remains of these survive in the archaeological site, ...

whc.unesco.org

 

[Northernraider]

Have you been too Volubilis before? It is a Roman city near Fez and a world heritage site, it might be worth a visit if you are into history.

Archaeological Site of Volubilis

The Mauritanian capital, founded in the 3rd century B.C., became an important outpost of the Roman Empire and was graced with many fine buildings. Extensive remains of these survive in the archaeological site, ...

whc.unesco.org

I'll have a read of that as I'll be heading inland towards fez from Rabat as I quite liked fez, chefchouan etc last time I was here. And I want some sheepskins

 

[Lenny HB]

There is beautiful scenery here, there's not a lot of great architecture....its quite dull in that respect. Buildings aren't that interesting on the whole

You are not too far from Libya Tam, get yourself over there, some of the largest and best Roman ruins in Africa (if they haven't blown them up) and its not in the Schengen zone.

 

[Langtoftlad]

There is beautiful scenery here, there's not a lot of great architecture....its quite dull in that respect. Buildings aren't that interesting on the whole , I only really find the people who want to sell you something or want something from you to be friendly the rest are not...and the ones trying to sell you things are friendly till you say no then they change quite a bit ...I think I've been cursed under breath quite a few times.. the drivers are terrible, the lorry drivers and taxi drivers are lethal and they will barge you out the way. There doesn't seem to be any real thought for life... cyclists, pedestrians and folk using donkey drawn buggies etc risk their lives everytime they cross a road... there's zebra crossings buy no one ever stops at them ...I've seen folk nearly mown down by these taxis .

You copied & pasted that from the Moroccan Tourist Board brochure didn't you

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[Northernraider]

You copied & pasted that from the Moroccan Tourist Board brochure didn't you

It seems though unless you're on here and glossing over stuff I'm not the only one that dislikes the cultures here

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