Do you REALLY own your MH?

The Logbook Loan risk is always there, but my personal opinion is that it is a low risk if you buy the MH from a well-established and reputable dealership. I bought mine new over 3 years ago, wasn't worried about any secured finance, and so far nobody has come forward to claim I don't own it. Mind you if they did try it on I would fight even if they took me to Court, where I haven't lost a case yet in which I am a litigant. They would regret it.

There is some due diligence you can do on the dealership via online research. A Companies House search provides a lot of valuable information about the Company and its directors. Filed annual accounts are helpful from a historical perspective, and give an idea of how stable the company was in the recent past, but won't tell you if the company is financially stable today. Searching against the directors' names is also useful if it reveals a history of failed businesses. It can be useful to have a friend in business who can check the company's creditworthiness on your behalf.

I have never met anyone who carried out a personal search of the Register of Bills of Sale at the High Court. I haven't done this either. I don't know if it is even possible under current Covid restrictions.

As well as that, you can find reviews posted online (including this forum) which give a subjective impression of the dealership and the way it does business - always a valuable tool.

Buying privately is a bit riskier with less statutory consumer protection. Much depends on how far you trust the seller but it must be worth asking if there is any finance on the MH you are interested in buying. As well as doing a HPI check.

Edit - a Companies House search doesn't cost anything.

You can also via companies house check if a chattel mortgage is outstanding on the motorhome - as long as the company your buying from were the ones who took out the mortgage originally - as the charge has to be registered but funnily enough the onus is on the company thereafter to show it's been satisfied i.e. if they don't do the follow up for whatever reason then it'll still show as an outstanding charge. The other downside here is, using Unbeatable Hire as an example of a company selling on mortgaged MH's if you do a companies house search they currently have 467 charges outstanding. The details of the charge show the chassis number of the MH the loan is secured against but bearing in mind there are currently 467 registered as outstanding I don't think there's a search facility on the companies house web page that allows you to search the documents by chassis number. I think you'd have to pull up each charge then search the document for your chassis number which is a fair amount of work. I don't know if you can submit a request to Companies House to do such a search for you.

I'm not a legal person, the documents themselves are quite interesting I guess if you are one as regards what the lender expects versus what the borrower can/must do as regards the MH.

Dunno if any of that is helpful and best of luck to anyone finding themselves in this position as regards trying to keep hold of their faithful 'companions'.
 
Would be a lot of additional charges doing it that way. But if it means you are 100% safe then yes worth considering i would think
so who owns the van ,you ,finance company or the chattel mortgage company ,dealer.
 
So how do you prove that you are the owner .
Valid question. I am not a solicitor so I can only give you my understanding. One really good way is if the seller has finance. In that scenario you insist you pay off the finance company direct, you get the settlement figure from the company then you get good title because you are buying it from the HP company.

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Yes, that's it - we pay as much as the dealer will allow on the credit card - usually £1,000. Balance by bank transfer.

And you do only need to make part payment by credit card to gain the full protection.

The consumer credit act can be summarised as:

Pay for something costing more than £100 and up to £30,000 on credit and the provider's equally liable if something goes wrong.

When we bought our last motorhome the Dealer said that they didn’t accept deposits by Credit Card because of the charges.

We simply said “in that case you don’t have a sale “ and stood up. They changed their mind pretty quickly.
 
what is ridiculous is they dont accept the fact that you have been paying rent as proof you can afford a mortgage
years ago,before daughter & son-in-law moved to aussie. they were told that they didn't earn enough to paya mortgage which was 50% of the rent they were paying at the time.:LOL:
So how do you prove that you are the owner .
Basically in the UK you can't.
Here in spain where any sale or transfer has to be done via a divison of the Guardia Civil & requires
a bill of sale
a padron showing the buyers registered address on the electoral roll & valid only for 90 days
the buyers id card & copies.
an application filled in for the new owner to register the vehicle in their name
Up to date vehicle tax paid.
full mot
the 4,1% (of the government agreed vehicle value) transfer tax paid at the hacienda before any of the above can be changed into the buyers name & registered.

Once done you receive the registration document back in your name along with the ficha tecnica.
There is no other way of selling a vehicle without it remaining in the original owners name & all debts & fines are their problem.
Once it has been done as above it is yours free of all debts, embargos & fines.
 
investments are a form of gambling but this looks like the cards were 'stacked'
I would like to think he will be enjoying prison food shortly, but this is unlikely as it appears to be administration errors rather than intentional....................................and to have the misfortune of 2 fires so close together must have been devastating.

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i know this happened years ago a dealer I know retired now used to get a loan on a motor home while it was on his forecourt waiting to be sold .
But the way I understand it he had to pay that loan before he sold the vehicle or at least at the same time
I understand what’s being said here but when you have finance on a motor home or car . It is not yours till you’ve paid off the loan .
that’s what the agreement says
you try selling a vehicle to a dealer the first thing they do is do a finance check
happy days
I agree buyer beware but how do you check
 
BBC News - Motorhomes 'missing' after rental firm collapsed

Apologies just seen this was already posted
 

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