Dash cam footage

[Hirsch]

I wonder why the police retire at the age of 50 . I don’t expect them to do front line police work but why can’t they do paper work or support work .
I’m sure I read somewhere that 50% of the police budget goes on pensions I used to respect the police but the only time you see them now is when they give you a speeding ticket.

Sorry I forgot to say you also see quite a few policemen in McDonald’s or Greggs

Aren't you up with current affairs. The past few years has seen police numbers cut to the bone. There are precious few left. So few in fact this government has said they are going to increase numbers by 20,000. Makes me wonder. Why waste all that money reducing police numbers, only to spend more money recruiting to replace the ones you have jettisoned. And in doing that you lose all that experience and knowledge.

Looks like I have just repeated what someone else has already pointed out.

Note to self ; read all posts before replying.

 

[Riverbankannie]

Just as a follow up, me and my dashcam witnessed another traffic offence yesterday. The car in front of me drove through a red light. Now this was not just winging it on the end of a queue as the lights change.
We approached a t junction and the lights were red on approach and 3 cars already stationary at the red light in the turn right lane. Turn left lane empty but also at red.
The car hesitated between choosing a lane then suddenly jumped into left lane and swung out onto main road and turned right through the moving traffic on the main road who were at green.
I reported and uploaded footage to Avon and Somerset yesterday and today received email

Thank you for taking the time to upload your footage which has now been processed (a warning letter or a fixed penalty or a prosecution has been issued). Thank you for helping to keep our roads safe.
I can confirm that as you are a witness to this offence, you will not receive any further updates.

 

[Steve and Denise]

I will be writing a reply to the letter I received about evidence and proof but will have to give it some thought,
Any suggestions gratefully received

 

[Steve and Denise]

A quick up date, after writing a letter of complaint to the Hertfordshire police we received a phone call to say they had contacted the driver of the other vehicle who denied any knowledge of the incident and due to the length of time involved (Covid19) mentioned it was out of the time scale for perusing such an incident

I did reply with would the same rule apply with a speed camera!
Quote well that’s an entirely different situation. B*****S

 

[JockandRita]

they had contacted the driver of the other vehicle who denied any knowledge of the incident

Were they honestly expecting he/she to actually own up to the incident?

Quote well that’s an entirely different situation. B*****S ☹

Exactly Steve. How very convenient for them to pick and choose, eh.

Unlucky pal.

Jock.

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[Deneb]

Steve and Denise that is the constabulary to which my previous comments relate. An officer that I joined with many years ago worked in the unit that deals with matters such as yours until a short while ago. The organisation has had to cut costs to meet budgets for several years, failing to replace staff lost due to retirement or other absences, and has to my knowledge at least twice filed months worth of potential prosecution files due to being out of time to continue them, as they were unable to keep up with the workload. That includes some speed camera matters and collisions. If identifying the driver is not straightforward and has to go down the route of sending out letters, waiting the statutory amount of time for responses before going back into the system and working its way back to the top of the pile for further correspondence to be sent and replies awaited etc, unfortunately it is not unknown for time limits to expire before resolution.

Other impacts of years of cuts include my spending my own money to buy replacement tools and equipment required to fulfil my specialist role, because they either refused to fund them or would only pay for cheap cr*p that wasn't going to cope. Applications for protective clothing and equipment that were listed as being necessary for my job disappeared into black holes.

Having collaborated with two other adjoining constabularies, I know that their finances and resources were even more perilous, and I doubt that situation differs much anywhere in the UK

I would put the blame for some of that on the move to devolved budgets and business plans, where different departments within the organisation bill one another for services provided and have to produce business plans each year that show cost reductions on the previous budget, but lack of staff to deal with workloads is also a large part.

Welcome to the modern world, and I can't imagine the situation is going to improve once the government start to grapple with paying down the debts they are piling up through the current pandemic.

 

[Lee337]

My O/H's car was hit by a motorcycle while stationary at traffic lights in Peterborough a few years ago. Two 125 bikes were involved but only one hit us. An ambulance and the police were called. I then started taking photos of the downed bike and was physically restrained by a car driver following the bikes to stop me taking any photos. Before the police arrived, both bikes were removed from the scene and the injured rider's mother turned up. When the police eventually arrived (around 15 minutes) they took details of the rider but allowed his mother to take him to the hospital. They interviewed me, my parents who were passengers in our car and my O/H but by this time all other witnesses had left the scene.

By the time the officers got to the hospital, the rider had either discharged himself or not even got that far. All I could find out was he was not there when the police got there.

I have friends in the local biking community, so not only had the riders name and address within 48 hours, I also knew he was on his mates bike which was not insured, I knew where he worked and that he'd lost his licence a few months prior for motoring offences and passed all this on to the police.

The case was dropped due to lack of evidence as he didn't respond to requests to produce his documents and every time they went around to his address, he wasn't there.

I've also had the misfortune to be run off the road three months ago in South Lincs (with dashcam footage). Like many forces you cannot report motoring issues in person or by phone, you have to fill in an on-line form. Took me best part of an hour to find and complete the form, then you have to post it, you cannot submit it electronically. Didn't even get a response.

I got a phone call last month as my bike had tripped an ANPR camera for no Tax/MOT within 72 hours of the alleged offence - I was taking the bike for an MOT at the time. As the MOT station was 5 miles from my address, I had to justify why I took it to that one when there was another MOT station only 2 miles away (it didn't do bike MOTs).

As has been suggested, I get the impression the police are only after the easy collar, unless it's a major crime.

 

[movan]

Some years ago we had our shed broken into and two very expensive bikes were stolen, plus other items, in the middle of the night. We reported it to the police and were told several houses/sheds had been broken into in our lane.

Then by sheer coincidence the same day, our next door neighbour came in from work and told us that the security guard at the factory around the corner had told her that in the middle of the night someone had come into the Guard box to ask if they could use the phone as they had broken down. He allowed it and listened to the quiet conversation... 'you need to bring the van. The stuff is ready for collection.'

The guard made a note of the phone number. We told the police, who advised it was common practice to steal from several houses, leave the goods behind the hedge and then a van come and move along the street collecting goods. Apparently the phone number belonged to a well known thief...

Six weeks later, despite endless calls from us to the police.... Nothing.

In the 7th week they told us that they had been to the address the previous day but could do nothing due to lack of evidence as none of the stolen goods were there!!!!! Surprise. Surprise... Grrrrrrr. Things like that stay in your memory and affect how you think about this country.

 

[Mickthemove]

I would definitely go to a specialist lawyer who on that footage would no doubt love to get their teeth into it, if that does not appeal, get your insurance to go after his insurance,

 

[mike mcglynn]

I remember a fellow TA soldier telling me about a job he had been on ,he was a copper and had caught a pair of thieves who specialised in shed and garage burglary He had been after them for months and asked the armourer at the barracks if he could borrow the starlight scope which he did. He had been a regular soldier and knew how to use it Falklands vet. When he brought them into the nick for charging the desk sarge asked how he had arrested these two ? he told the sarge about the starlight scope which is a night vision aid and after a day or two the CPS threw the case out.something about unfair advantage

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[Rockcrawler]

Hmm, I thought they acted if the evidence was clear and unambiguous.....................

Nope

 

[Steve and Denise]

They may have some evidence next time someone commits a crime against me!
When they recover my hammer

From them

 

[Peppadog]

Sadly, we now live in a country where the law is neither respected nor prosecuted. Unless it easy, non personnel related, like speed, lane or traffic light cameras. Long before Covid, waiting lists for elective surgery and consultations were months or even years long. They are probably much more than that now! The NHS more or less only works fully if you are an emergency / A&E patient. Where you can still expect first class care. These systems are broken and need radical reform. I doubt they will get it!
All this has been getting worse gradually for, probably, thirty years or more. I see no signs of it changing as we head into being a third world country.
Even worse, many other countries are on the same spiral path. Particularly the USA.

We are but passengers on this bus of life. Go somewhere safe and warm to enjoy the ride.

 

[Odd-no-more]

I have no faith in the police at all these days. I also cannot understand how the individual cops put up with it. I'm sure none of them become cops to not catch crooks

 

[Odd-no-more]

Sadly, we now live in a country where the law is neither respected nor prosecuted. Unless it easy, non personnel related, like speed, lane or traffic light cameras. Long before Covid, waiting lists for elective surgery and consultations were months or even years long. They are probably much more than that now! The NHS more or less only works fully if you are an emergency / A&E patient. Where you can still expect first class care. These systems are broken and need radical reform. I doubt they will get it!
All this has been getting worse gradually for, probably, thirty years or more. I see no signs of it changing as we head into being a third world country.
Even worse, many other countries are on the same spiral path. Particularly the USA.

We are but passengers on this bus of life. Go somewhere safe and warm to enjoy the ride.

Unfortunately I agree with you

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[buttons]

Here is a picture of the twat that hit our van on Friday and drove off whilst on the phone.
Before anyone says Data protection I would like to meet this twat in person.☹View attachment 369419river

I cant see the driver let alone the phone. Could you not have moved a tad to the left to avoid an impact.

 

[Steve and Denise]

I cant see the driver let alone the phone. Could you not have moved a tad to the left to avoid an impact.

No disrespect but you weren’t looking at him from inches away I was if I had moved any further over I would have been down the dyke not sure if your familiar with the fens (big dykes) on the side of roads up here.

 

[royw]

No disrespect but you weren’t looking at him from inches away I was if I had moved any further over I would have been down the dyke not sure if your familiar with the fens (big dykes) on the side of roads up here.

I dont know about the OP but with a big A Class myself I cannot imagine how much room he had to move over.

 

[buttons]

No disrespect but you weren’t looking at him from inches away I was if I had moved any further over I would have been down the dyke not sure if your familiar with the fens (big dykes) on the side of roads up here.

It was the police perspective I was thinking of, their view would have been similar to mine. I couldn't see any phone activity.

 

[Steve and Denise]

I dont know about the OP but with a big A Class myself I cannot imagine how much room he had to move over.

One of the problems on these roads around here the grass verge at the side or the road can be so soft once your wheel goes in it your in the dyke with no choice.

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[martin2603]

Road Traffic Act
Failing to stop fart an accident
Failing to report RTA within 24 hours IN PERSON
Careless driving

Three offences to start
DVLA will supply owners details for a fee.
Official complaint to the Police in the Area of the RTA.

 

[Steve and Denise]

Road Traffic Act
Failing to stop fart an accident
Failing to report RTA within 24 hours IN PERSON
Careless driving

Three offences to start
DVLA will supply owners details for a fee.
Official complaint to the Police in the Area of the RTA.

Fart I nearly shit myself

 

[Spriddler]

I believe that police are encouraged to focus on 'flavour of the month targets' since some of their funding is related to meeting certain specific targets which are very often politically imposed. Their usual excuse is 'Not in the public interest to pursue' when they really mean that the offence doesn't have any funding benefit.
They also don't have anywhere near sufficient resources to interrogate the masses of info held on suspects' computers and mobile phones.

 

[Deneb]

Road Traffic Act
Failing to stop fart an accident
Failing to report RTA within 24 hours IN PERSON
Careless driving

Three offences to start
DVLA will supply owners details for a fee.
Official complaint to the Police in the Area of the RTA.

You have to prove beyond a reasonable doubt who was driving, and then that he was aware of an accident occurring owing to his presence on a road, which may be insurmountably difficult without evidence of damage to the vehicle he was driving.

But as the statute of limitations on commencing proceedings has already expired, I'm not sure where you intend going with this?

 

[Steve and Denise]

You have to prove beyond a reasonable doubt who was driving, and then that he was aware of an accident occurring owing to his presence on a road, which may be insurmountably difficult without evidence of damage to the vehicle he was driving.

But as the statute of limitations on commencing proceedings has already expired, I'm not sure where you intend going with this?

It turned out to be a hire van so they still have the records and as said in an earlier post they had spoke to the driver

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[Deneb]

It turned out to be a hire van so they still have the records and as said in an earlier post they had spoke to the driver

Ah, OK. I hadn't read back through the thread and it's been a while. I suspect your only recourse is a civil claim for damages, but probably advisable to obtain legal advice beforehand, to establish the evidence that you would require and chances of success.

 

[royw]

One of the problems on these roads around here the grass verge at the side or the road can be so soft once your wheel goes in it your in the dyke with no choice.

Exactly, you end up getting bogged or losing control.

 

[Otter Spotter]

Aren't you up with current affairs. The past few years has seen police numbers cut to the bone. There are precious few left. So few in fact this government has said they are going to increase numbers by 20,000. Makes me wonder. Why waste all that money reducing police numbers, only to spend more money recruiting to replace the ones you have jettisoned. And in doing that you lose all that experience and knowledge.

Looks like I have just repeated what someone else has already pointed out.

Note to self ; read all posts before replying.

Simple answer is those that have gone were mostly long service officers at the top of there salary bands whereas they will be replaced by much cheaper new officers, its all about the cash

 

[Stoosal]

That’s a pretty poor response to be honest......serve registered keeper with docs to identify driver at time, date and location...should match description given by you and your passenger and video footage should also offer further evidence therefore identity of driver not an issue, your statement gives evidence of number of offences so no reason not to pursue regardless of what other driver states....unfortunately probably time passed means would not be pursued now but ........best evidence comes from you not what can or cant be seen on video footage, that only assists!

 

[Otter Spotter]

Is it me or has reason gone out of the window, I can understand the OP being indignant and upset over the damage and the fact that he believes the driver caused the damage due to the fact that he was on his phone, furthermore lack of Police interest or action grates with many of the Funsters on this thread.
Can I ask why do we have motor insurance ? it’s to pay for damage to vehicles and if there has been no injury, generally the Police are not interested, whether offences have taken place or not, because they are not in the business of trying to recover costs for damage only accidents.
the police now have so many additional tasks to perform with short numbers that you cannot expect them to spend any time on your unfortunate incident.

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