Dash cam footage

The bit that gets me is quote not being able to identify the vehicle involved utter tosh, if I had been any closer I could have got the chassis number.

One day the police may want my help we’ll its not happening 🤬
 
Riverbankannie said:
We were run off the M5 onto the hard shoulder by a Sainsbury’s lorry a couple of weeks ago. Sent the footage to police who responded that they had taken action. I imagine they issued a warning and also let employers know. Satisfied with that as we were lucky in having room on the hard shoulder to move into so no physical damage done.
I would not be happy with the outcome you have had.
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Polish or Lithuanian agency driver......Sainsbury would have taken zero action
 
Surely, the fact that the vehicle collided with you on your side of the carriageway is enough evidence for some sort of prosecution?

Its outrageous how dysfunctional our judicial system is and it all starts with the failing of the people on the ground....the Police.

I better bow out now cause I'm not a fan of the police.......and its instances like this that justifies that sentiment.
 
I'm sure that your insurance company could have a claim on the vehicles owner.

I witnessed a serious accident 16 months ago on a narrow country road on my way to work. The guy who caused the accident overtook me going into a blind s-bend and hit a car head-on coming the other way. The other guy never knew what hit him. My dash-cam footage showed the car overtaking me but not the actual collision. I managed to stop 3 foot short of the carnage. Both drivers were quite badly injured and the road was shut for over 5 hours. I was told by the investigating officer that I would get visit later that day to get a witness statement. I was sent home from work as I was a bit shaken by it, my boss was the first car behind me.
So I went home and waited, and waited. Twenty four days later I got a phone call, they wanted to come for my statement! I don't know about you but I have trouble remembering fine detail of something that happened a few days ago! My first thought that my statement wouldn't stand up in court if I had to attend!

In the end I didn't need to attend court, he admitted dangerous driving on the strength of the my dash-cam footage, but it could have been so different without the footage. Twenty four days to take a statement from the only witness WTF :doh:

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Steve and Denise said:
Well finally got a reply from the collisions unit only took 6 months and it says not enough evidence, what a load of old bollocks.
Remember if you buy a dash cam it is of no use in any accident View attachment 426276
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Yet you can be prosecuted if the Police seize your camera and they use it 🤷‍♂️
 
The Dash cam has the date and time, if the police do investigate they can get the phone records and match the two together. !
 
Coming out of Bolougne last year going up hill and lorry driver went berserk at me. I let him pass and then he kept slowing down enticing me to overtake him when i did he kept pulling out in front of me. This went on for about 15 miles. Even when it was 3 lanes he moved into the middle lane and if I pulled out to go take him on the outside lane he indicated and started pulling into that lane. All on dash cam. Took note of the Luxembourg company he worked for and sent the video footage to them. Got a lovely reply and apology from the Managing Director who stated that the driver had been severely reprimanded. Some satisfaction but I wondered what the police would have done.
 
Do you know if the vehicle actually has a registered up to date keeper?
 
Well I did send the full video to the police and it was crystal clear as to what happened and they still won’t do anything.

If that was a speed camera with a photograph of less quality I would be prosecuted 😡

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Steve and Denise said:
Well I did send the full video to the police and it was crystal clear as to what happened and they still won’t do anything.

If that was a speed camera with a photograph of less quality I would be prosecuted 😡
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I can only assume that it may be the case there might not be a current registered keeper hence it would be difficult to trace the vehicle and /or driver for any action to be taken? Seems a bit strange that with the details given no action has been taken.
 
I think that it is really bad news that the police are not interested.
Not belittling what happened, I know I would be furious.
I just wonder if it is because no one was injured. The don't like getting involved in traffic accidents they prefer the insurance company to sort it.
 
This is classed as a minor collision and the Police would not look at it hence the reply via letter.

Best option is seek a solicitor and bring a private prosecution for damages and keep your fingers crossed.
 
I still can't understand the lack of response as he was in the opposing carriageway heading towards oncoming traffic?
Where is the logic in not acting on intelligence submitted? Perhaps one day this van will be involved in a fatal rtc due to driving without due care & attention?
Which may have been preventable?
 
What people often fail to understand is that, like it or not, the police are under the same constraints as most other public sector organisations, yet "the public" expect them to deal with all sorts of issues that were historically not police functions, but feel under no obligation to assist them when required.

Every operational officer in my old force had between 30 and 50 crimes on their workload at any one time, sometimes more, and were acquiring more at the rate of several a day whilst also dealing with immediate response calls and other core functions, making it realistically impossible to investigate more than a fraction of those allocated crimes with the best will in the world, so they have to be assessed and prioritised, meaning that some will be written off with little investigation if any.

Process and Collision units are similarly understaffed and under-resourced, run mostly by civilian staff following by the rota guidelines.

During my time on traffic policing, I was aware of several occasions where the backlog in our Process and Collisions Unit became so large, that decisions were made to simply file several months worth of documents, without any review of what type of offences and allegations were amongst them, and the dates chosen completely arbitrarily as the only way of keeping the system running to any degree at all.

It's not right, and officers such as myself who saw cases that we had all spent time and effort working on, were as aggrieved as anyone else. But it is a by product of the current system where everything is run on devolved budgets and resources are finite and insufficient for demand

If I were you, I would be asking how no offences had been disclosed and what enquiries had been made, but in view of the fact that your response was sent after 6 months it wouldn't surprise me if, between delays in actually getting forms and letters sent to the vehicle owner, then possibly the nominated driver, whilst having to wait the required amount of time at each stage for a response, that they have simply run out of time and are beyond the statutory time limit for commencing proceedings.
 
Deneb said:
What people often fail to understand is that, like it or not, the police are under the same constraints as most other public sector organisations, yet "the public" expect them to deal with all sorts of issues that were historically not police functions, but feel under no obligation to assist them when required.

Every operational officer in my old force had between 30 and 50 crimes on their workload at any one time, sometimes more, and were acquiring more at the rate of several a day whilst also dealing with immediate response calls and other core functions, making it realistically impossible to investigate more than a fraction of those allocated crimes with the best will in the world, so they have to be assessed and prioritised, meaning that some will be written off with little investigation if any.

Process and Collision units are similarly understaffed and under-resourced, run mostly by civilian staff following by the rota guidelines.

During my time on traffic policing, I was aware of several occasions where the backlog in our Process and Collisions Unit became so large, that decisions were made to simply file several months worth of documents, without any review of what type of offences and allegations were amongst them, and the dates chosen completely arbitrarily as the only way of keeping the system running to any degree at all.

It's not right, and officers such as myself who saw cases that we had all spent time and effort working on, were as aggrieved as anyone else. But it is a by product of the current system where everything is run on devolved budgets and resources are finite and insufficient for demand

If I were you, I would be asking how no offences had been disclosed and what enquiries had been made, but in view of the fact that your response was sent after 6 months it wouldn't surprise me if, between delays in actually getting forms and letters sent to the vehicle owner, then possibly the nominated driver, whilst having to wait the required amount of time at each stage for a response, that they have simply run out of time and are beyond the statutory time limit for commencing proceedings.
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I understand what you are saying and it is not the foot soldiers to blame,
But if that had been me on a speed camera it would have been more than adequate proof to prosecute me and generate income for the government.☹️
 
I wonder why the police retire at the age of 50 . I don’t expect them to do front line police work but why can’t they do paper work or support work .
I’m sure I read somewhere that 50% of the police budget goes on pensions I used to respect the police but the only time you see them now is when they give you a speeding ticket.

Sorry I forgot to say you also see quite a few policemen in McDonald’s or Greggs

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Mmmm, unfortunately I have a suspicion that what drives the upward chain of command is £££'s and misrepresentative figures that are aimed to give the general public the impression that their purse is spent wisely in fighting crime, based on blah blah blah statistics and low crime rates?

When in reality, it is probably the easily targeted offenses such as speed camera captures and very questionable "public order" offences that make up the revenue and crime busting figures, at the expense of real irrefutable offences against the public, as in this case, that are categorised as "too much trouble for no financial reward"

Blaming budgets and under resourceing is a bit of a cop out, excuse the pun, but ultimately its the priorities of the people in charge that governs if the Police are actually going to stand by their apparent oathe to "serve and protect", and I fear that this ethos was thrown by the wayside a long time ago.
 
Chilloutsolutions said:
and it all starts with the failing of the people on the ground....the Police.
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exactly.
Steve and Denise said:
that was a speed camera with a photograph of less quality I would be prosecuted
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and I would reply to them in that manner. I'd never let it go to the extent they'd be wanting to prosecute me for abuse,threatening behaviour.. etc,when they are the ones in the job who should be complaining on a daily basis.
 
Steve and Denise said:
The bit that gets me is quote not being able to identify the vehicle involved utter tosh, if I had been any closer I could have got the chassis number.

One day the police may want my help we’ll its not happening 🤬
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Do you think they don't want to get involved because they actually know who the driver was.? :Eeek: :unsure::unsure:
 
Zepp said:
I wonder why the police retire at the age of 50 . I don’t expect them to do front line police work but why can’t they do paper work or support work .
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Because the "service" doesn't want to retain knowledge and experience when it can have two new recruits for a similar wage cost as retaining an experienced officer with full length of service, who can be required to retire.

That hasn't always been the case though. I served for 40 years and I know colleagues who did more.

Yes, we sometimes visit food establishments because station canteens disappeared many years ago and police officers like any other workers are allowed to have a food break during their tour of duty, although from the comments some of the public make you would think they are supposed to work a full 12 hours or more without stopping to eat or drink anything.

Mind you, for every officer you see in a MacDonalds or wherever, there will be another who has not been able to eat or take a break because of what he or she is having to deal with on that shift.

I have many times purchased food only to have to throw it away after a couple of mouthfuls (if I was lucky) because I had been assigned elsewhere.

In my last few years of service, the staffing of the unit I worked on was deliberately depleted to such an extent that I witnessed colleagues who were hardened police officers break down in tears due to the unremitting pressure of their workloads.

Staff were not being replaced when they left the unit or retired to save money due to continual budget cuts year on year. We were simply told "you will cope".

I was one of 5 staff in my role covering 2 counties when I joined that unit. I was one of 3 with an even greater workload when I retired, and they didn't replace me, so the other 2 were expected to take on the additional work, and there is only so much any one person can do in a day, even when you are working 2 or more hours unpaid overtime every day out of a sense of duty to get the job done even though you know the bosses will refuse to pay you for it, and your only break consists of shoving a sandwich down your throat whilst driving between jobs or sitting at your desk, as was mine and my colleagues usual daily "break" for many years.

The unit I left was recently criticised by a Crown Court judge for the time repeatedly being taken in preparing case files, even though he commented that they were still maintaining the highest standard in preparation and presentation of evidence. So I know that things haven't gotten any better since I left, and are probably worst.

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Deneb said:
Because the "service" doesn't want to retain knowledge and experience when it can have two new recruits for a similar wage cost as retaining an experienced officer with full length of service, who can be required to retire.

That hasn't always been the case though. I served for 40 years and I know colleagues who did more.

Yes, we sometimes visit food establishments because station canteens disappeared many years ago and police officers like any other workers are allowed to have a food break during their tour of duty, although from the comments some of the public make you would think they are supposed to work a full 12 hours or more without stopping to eat or drink anything.

Mind you, for every officer you see in a MacDonalds or wherever, there will be another who has not been able to eat or take a break because of what he or she is having to deal with on that shift.

I have many times purchased food only to have to throw it away after a couple of mouthfuls (if I was lucky) because I had been assigned elsewhere.

In my last few years of service, the staffing of the unit I worked on was deliberately depleted to such an extent that I witnessed colleagues who were hardened police officers break down in tears due to the unremitting pressure of their workloads.

Staff were not being replaced when they left the unit or retired to save money due to continual budget cuts year on year. We were simply told "you will cope".

I was one of 5 staff in my role covering 2 counties when I joined that unit. I was one of 3 with an even greater workload when I retired, and they didn't replace me, so the other 2 were expected to take on the additional work, and there is only so much any one person can do in a day, even when you are working 2 or more hours unpaid overtime every day out of a sense of duty to get the job done even though you know the bosses will refuse to pay you for it, and your only break consists of shoving a sandwich down your throat whilst driving between jobs or sitting at your desk, as was mine and my colleagues usual daily "break" for many years.

The unit I left was recently criticised by a Crown Court judge for the time repeatedly being taken in preparing case files, even though he commented that they were still maintaining the highest standard in preparation and presentation of evidence. So I know that things haven't gotten any better since I left, and are probably worst.
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Welcome to the real world I was a factory manager I was on a salary based on 40 hrs a week I used to work 80 hrs + I took work home.
I was lucky if I got a sandwich for lunch I also worked every weekend and bank holidays and when I got called out I never ever said there was no one available to come out

But what makes me mad was when I got home and the house had be burgled and you ring the police and all you get is a crime number and don’t get me started on car crime also watched a old man beat up and the police did nothing the second time I saw the same old man being attacked by the same family I went out and sorted it out

My cars were damaged my kids got verbal abuse and what did the police do absolutely nothing
 
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Zepp said:
Welcome to the real world I was a factory manager I was on a salary based on 40 hrs a week I used to work 80 hrs + I took work home.
I was lucky if I got a sandwich for lunch I also worked every weekend and bank holidays and when I got called out I never ever said there was no one available to come out

But what makes me mad was when I got home and the house had be burgled and you ring the police and all you get is a crime number and don’t get me started on car crime also watched a old man beat up and the police did nothing the second time I saw the same old man being attacked by the same family I went out and sorted it out

My cars were damaged my kids got verbal abuse and what did the police do absolutely nothing
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So you have some understanding of what I am saying. I'm not making excuses, just telling it how it is. Most if not all police officers at the sharp end also feel upset on a daily basis about not being able to provide the service that they should be there for.

When I joined in the 70's, we paraded over 20 officers per shift for our area. We had 7 dog handlers and animals covering the county. Now, the same sub-divisional area is often lucky to have two or three officers out and about, and there might be a single dog available covering three counties.

If you were the sole manager for 5 factories at different locations and, as a result of being called out to one of them you were constrained by legal processes to complete 40 pages of documents and reports before you could leave work, on pain of the whole process having to be dropped and you possibly being called before a Judge at 10 a.m. the following morning to explain your inaction, with possible disciplinary offences to follow, and at the same time you were trying to get that done the other four factories has simultaneous urgent call-outs, for which you were the only person available or qualified to attend, then I would salute you if you were able to go to all four at the same time and not have to tell three of them that there was no-one available. Of course, you might also have another several hours of work that needs to be completed before you could either go home or attend any of the other three factories, as a result of what you had to deal with at the second call-out too.
 
Cops, as much use as half a scissor.
Wouldn't even investigate the 2 big robberies we had. No time for em, they do not deserve our respect. IMHO
 
Deneb said:
Because the "service" doesn't want to retain knowledge and experience when it can have two new recruits for a similar wage cost as retaining an experienced officer with full length of service, who can be required to retire.

That hasn't always been the case though. I served for 40 years and I know colleagues who did more.

Yes, we sometimes visit food establishments because station canteens disappeared many years ago and police officers like any other workers are allowed to have a food break during their tour of duty, although from the comments some of the public make you would think they are supposed to work a full 12 hours or more without stopping to eat or drink anything.

Mind you, for every officer you see in a MacDonalds or wherever, there will be another who has not been able to eat or take a break because of what he or she is having to deal with on that shift.

I have many times purchased food only to have to throw it away after a couple of mouthfuls (if I was lucky) because I had been assigned elsewhere.

In my last few years of service, the staffing of the unit I worked on was deliberately depleted to such an extent that I witnessed colleagues who were hardened police officers break down in tears due to the unremitting pressure of their workloads.

Staff were not being replaced when they left the unit or retired to save money due to continual budget cuts year on year. We were simply told "you will cope".

I was one of 5 staff in my role covering 2 counties when I joined that unit. I was one of 3 with an even greater workload when I retired, and they didn't replace me, so the other 2 were expected to take on the additional work, and there is only so much any one person can do in a day, even when you are working 2 or more hours unpaid overtime every day out of a sense of duty to get the job done even though you know the bosses will refuse to pay you for it, and your only break consists of shoving a sandwich down your throat whilst driving between jobs or sitting at your desk, as was mine and my colleagues usual daily "break" for many years.

The unit I left was recently criticised by a Crown Court judge for the time repeatedly being taken in preparing case files, even though he commented that they were still maintaining the highest standard in preparation and presentation of evidence. So I know that things haven't gotten any better since I left, and are probably worst.
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So that just goes to prove that the Police service organisation as a whole, shows no regard for the legislation designed to protect workers, "The Working Time Directive". No wonder the judicial system is in tatters with morals like that.
 
Get a good solicitor and take a private prosecution.

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