Covishield Indian Ox/AZ jab

[Armytwowheels]

Is it a priority for the government to get a vaccine approved just so people can travel?. My wife has one of the affected vaccines I think it will be sorted in the end. I also think it would have been perfectly reasonable to charge £100 for a covid vaccination pass for travel to recoup some of the costs of vaccination. If they did they might get approval through more quickly.

It has to be on someone's priority list. The goal posts don't just keep moving, they are blowing free in the wind!

We are all trying to abide by the rules and learning to live with this. I am not talking about breaking rules or trying to find loop holes, but when we are told we can travel to another country only to get there and be turned away, because we didn't have the right batch of vaccination is ludicrous. Who the hell could have second guessed that we had to check the batch numbers.

 

[Jim]

I can’t see what the incentive is for the EMA to do anything at Boris’s behest.

If it was solely up to the EMA then 15 EU countries – including Spain, Greece and Germany would not have already said OK to this Vaccine. It's just France and Italy dragging their feet. Surprised by Italy, but France these days, just seems par for the course

 

[MichaelT]

Latest on BBC

Malta allows entry to UK travellers with all AstraZeneca vaccines​

We reported earlier that some visitors to Malta were being barred from boarding flights to the island after receiving doses of AstraZeneca that had been manufactured in India.
Transport Secretary Grant Shapps earlier told BBC Breakfast "it is not right and it shouldn't be happening," and said the UK would be taking up the issue with the Maltese authorities.
He's since tweeted that Malta has changed its travel advice so anyone given an Oxford-AstraZeneca vaccine in the UK, regardless of manufacture location, "is able to travel without being turned away".

 

[Itsmcb]

If it was solely up to the EMA then 15 EU countries – including Spain, Greece and Germany would not have already said OK to this Vaccine. It's just France and Italy dragging their feet. Surprised by Italy, but France these days, just seems par for the course

It might be useful if someone could link to the list of countries definitely (or definitely not) accepting this batch of vaccines.

 

[pappajohn]

I wouldn't knowingly but a car made in India, why would I want a high-tech vaccine made there?

Why not?
India is advanced enough to have its own space program.
It's no longer a 3rd world country.

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[Jim]

It might be useful if someone could link to the list of countries definitely (or definitely not) accepting this batch of vaccines.

By the time we type the full list it will probably just be France being French . According to the Independent Newspaper

Fifteen countries have now confirmed they will accept travellers who have received the Covishield jab.

These include: Austria, Belgium, Bulgaria, Finland, Germany, Greece, Hungary, Iceland, Ireland, Latvia, Malta, Netherlands, Slovenia, Spain, Sweden and Switzerland.

Not sure about Portugal but I read on Reuters a couple of weeks ago that they approved Covishield for Madeira so they might be forthcoming later.

 

[The Wino]

Its for other Governments to approve it. All our Government and the Oz-AZ scientists can do to make the case

I realise it's not in our power to licence it in the EU but no doubt it will probably take some input from our government. Unless the eu are likely to buy the Indian manufactured vaccine what's in it for AZ

 

[The Wino]

It has to be on someone's priority list. The goal posts don't just keep moving, they are blowing free in the wind!

We are all trying to abide by the rules and learning to live with this. I am not talking about breaking rules or trying to find loop holes, but when we are told we can travel to another country only to get there and be turned away, because we didn't have the right batch of vaccination is ludicrous. Who the hell could have second guessed that we had to check the batch numbers.

My point really was our government priority wasn't to enable people to go on holiday it was to save lives

 

[MichaelT]

My point really was our government priority wasn't to enable people to go on holiday it was to save lives

No it was not, it was to stop long queues outside hospitals and the overwhelming of the NHS as the political fall out from underfunding would have been untenable for the government.

 

[Barryh]

It's not the make that's an issue, it's thee particularly batch numbers, 4120Z001, 4120Z002 and 4120Z003. These are the three 'dodgy' batches. My first dose was one of these, I'm not particularly happy about it, I wouldn't knowingly but a car made in India, why would I want a high-tech vaccine made there? Bit late now though, let's just hope they get the approval sorted out very soon.

The Serum Institute of India is the world’s largest producer of vaccines. It makes most of the routine vaccines our children receive and also stuff you might receive like the flu vaccine. Not to mention tetanus, rabies etc. Hardly some low tech third world outfit knocking out dodgy copies.

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[Armytwowheels]

My point really was our government priority wasn't to enable people to go on holiday it was to save lives

I don't think your point is relevant to what is being discussed in this thread.

 

[The Wino]

No it was not, it was to stop long queues outside hospitals and the overwhelming of the NHS as the political fall out from underfunding would have been untenable for the government.

But wouldn't the overwhelming of the NHS resulted in more deaths? Whatever it was our biggest and arguably most successful vaccination program ever wasn't to let people go on holiday

 

[MichaelT]

But wouldn't the overwhelming of the NHS resulted in more deaths? Whatever it was our biggest and arguably most successful vaccination program ever wasn't to let people go on holiday

Not more deaths no, more people requiring oxygen or a ventilator or even having a heart attack etc. If it was not to let people live a normal life and do normal things like go on holidays then what was the whole point? You may not want to travel, many do your choice and ours...

 

[SOS]

Not more deaths no, more people requiring oxygen or a ventilator or even having a heart attack etc. If it was not to let people live a normal life and do normal things like go on holidays then what was the whole point? You may not want to travel, many do your choice and ours...

I couldn’t have put it better myself. Vaccinations are of course to stop more deaths but also are supposed to give us some freedom and assist us in living some sort of normal life.

 

[The Wino]

Not more deaths no, more people requiring oxygen or a ventilator or even having a heart attack etc. If it was not to let people live a normal life and do normal things like go on holidays then what was the whole point? You may not want to travel, many do your choice and ours...

Oh I do want to travel we have a crossing booked in September and my wife hdad one of the affected batches. I just don't see my possible lack of a holiday a matter for the government to take any great efforts over neither did I hear any mention at the start of the vaccination program that a holiday pass would be supplied. I think it would be good for the government to either provide a booster of a recognised batch or negotiate with the EU med agency but as this would solely be to enable travel as a traveller I think it would be reasonable to charge.
I think you're in a pretty small minority thinking the vaccination program wasn't about saving lives.

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[MichaelT]

Oh I do want to travel we have a crossing booked in September and my wife hdad one of the affected batches. I just don't see my possible lack of a holiday a matter for the government to take any great efforts over neither did I hear any mention at the start of the vaccination program that a holiday pass would be supplied. I think it would be good for the government to either provide a booster of a recognised batch or negotiate with the EU med agency but as this would solely be to enable travel as a traveller I think it would be reasonable to charge.
I think you're in a pretty small minority thinking the vaccination program wasn't about saving lives.

I never said it was about saving lives, it was a way out of the pandemic that's all. It will hopefully stop people being ill which of course will mean less deaths as a by product.

I think just because you had a Indian batch you are slightly jealous of those of us who did not. Perhaps you should pay for a booster to allow you to travel, after all the vaccine is doing its job of keeping you alive?

 

[The Wino]

I never said it was about saving lives, it was a way out of the pandemic that's all. It will hopefully stop people being ill which of course will mean less deaths as a by product.

I think just because you had a Indian batch you are slightly jealous of those of us who did not. Perhaps you should pay for a booster to allow you to travel, after all the vaccine is doing its job of keeping you alive?

I think you're actually agreeing with me there!. I'm not at all jealous of anyone who had a non Indian batch or Pfizer like me. I'm saying that I think it's perfectly to pay for a vaccine to travel.

 

[MichaelT]

I think you're actually agreeing with me there!. I'm not at all jealous of anyone who had a non Indian batch or Pfizer like me. I'm saying that I think it's perfectly to pay for a vaccine to travel.

I did pay for my vaccine through my taxes

 

[domf]

I've had one from India and one not. In the NHS app I can get a barcode for whichever one I want...

 

[EuroTrotters]

Our daughter and her husband flew from their home in Abu Dhabi a couple of weeks ago.

It was going to be Malta. But that went Amber.

So they flew to Barcelona and on to Mallorca.

They are due to fly to the UK on the 19th. But that’s the day that turns from Green to amber.

Can you still leave the UK if you are in 10 day quarantine?.

Our British friend who is resident in Spain does.

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[Top Hat]

I take it they haven't had their double jabs yet, I believe Nicholsong asked the same question some time back.
The only thing I could suggest is to take the 5 day release jab, or change flights to the 18th

 

[Top Hat]

Test.....not Jab

 

[EuroTrotters]

I take it they haven't had their double jabs yet, I believe Nicholsong asked the same question some time back.
The only thing I could suggest is to take the 5 day release jab, or change flights to the 18th

They haven’t had any vaccinations.

They are coming back Monday. I just thought she may be able to go back to Spain on 24th July if she gets back Monday

 

[Top Hat]

It would be very tight but, the 23rd would be the 5th day book a 24hour PCR release test first thing in the morning and the flight as late as possible on the 24th
Good luck

 

[SOS]

Simon Meadwell looks like Indian jab now recognised. Although not sure whether you wi still be going with having to isolate.

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[Pusscat]

! I think I’ll spend some time doing little jobs on the van and maybe re-tiling the bathroom at home rather than worrying about France now! Maybe revisit the possibility in a month or so.