Changing MOT rules proposed by Transport Minister

[Spriddler]

If things don't change, it's more than likely they'll stay the same as they are now

Status quo is the same.

 

[Yorick]

Status quo is the same.

Again and again.

 

[gus-lopez]

This is another crazy idea but this time those that suffer are drivers that kill them selves and other because they don’t look after their vehicle and the MOT test centres.

having used both uk & spanish test facilities i'd change testing to twice a year for everything,insurance produced before test done .vehicle seized if no insurance & change ved back to the old way, 6 & 12 months & no sorn. I think the same person thought that one up who reduced National insurance payment requirements from 44 years to 30 back in 2005?

If people can’t afford £50 a year, they can’t afford to run a car…

 

[Spriddler]

Again and again.

But there again, plus ça change, plus c'est la même chose. ​

 

[Yorick]

But there again, plus ça change, plus c'est la même chose. ​

What's the rush?

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[Jim]

It could be a rip off or the second garage being too lax there are sometimes stories on here where people have bought motorhomes with fairly recent MOT s that it seems very unlikely were roadworthy.

I told him to retake the test here because I know them to be a good honest family firm. If things were wrong they would have told me as they have done a number of times in the past. Definitely not them being lax. Just the original company being thieving scumbags, I did let them know precisely what I thought of them on the phone, and will call in when I'm near just to remind them.

 

[nicholsong]

Well if they knew, they never said.

Maybe the first garage were quoting for repair of what were only advisories, so the second garage did not fail for those, but did they also put advisories on the MOT Pass?

When I had UK MOTs I went to a garage that only did MOT, no repairs.

 

[Jim]

Maybe the first garage were quoting for repair of what were only advisories, so the second garage did not fail for those, but did they also put advisories on the MOT Pass?

When I had UK MOTs I went to a garage that only did MOT, no repairs.

No the other firm we’re quoting for failures. Only one of which bacame an advisory in the 2nd MOT. Crooks. plain and simple

 

[Lofty1]

When they changed from the 10 year test to 1 year, old cars were very cheap, so if they change to two years will older cars gain value, l bought my first car a Bristol when it was due it’s first test at 10 years old for £15

 

[Coolcats]

From the Sky deputy political editor - apparently being discussed in Cabinet today.​

Politics live: Ministers discuss scrapping annual MOTs​

Ministers discussed changing MOT rules to help ease cost of living crisis​

More information is emerging about the ideas raised at today's cabinet meeting on the cost of living crisis.

According to Sky's deputy political editor Sam Coates, the requirement on cars that are older than three years to have annual MOTs could be changed.

The proposal, which is understood to have been put forward by Transport Secretary Grant Shapps, was to increase the gap between checks to two years.

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[nicholsong]

In this day and age when there are so many vehicles making cross multiple journeys, both within the EU and beyond, it seems illogical that this sort of safety requirement has not been harmonised.

I compare it to how the HGV traction units and trailers have a standard hook-up system. I am sure this precedes the likes of EU and EEC and goes beyond those jurisdictions, e.g. into Turkey, ex-Soviet States and the ME. Imagine if traction units could not pick up trailers from other countries the chaos and inefficiency it would cause.

I do not know how the HGV situation got harmonised, maybe through haulage industry cooperation, but I doubt whether it was from 40 nation's civil servants sitting down to meetings, and dinners, over two decades.

Back to MOTs and the like, there are many exempt vehicles circulating, from older vehicles after certain age in some countries, to IoM and other jurisdictions where they are not required, to countries where there is no MOT station within X kilometres of the owner's house(e.g. Greece.

One could ask why those vehicles, including my own, are permitted to circulate?

Or on the other hand which rules should be applied internationally, if any?

Discuss.

 

[Tigger-Tim]

I was mulling the idea of 2-year MOTs while driving along the M5 today.

Given that defective vehicles are responsible for a tiny fraction of road deaths/injuries, maybe the vehicle is not the most dangerous aspect of motoring.

GIven the number of people clearly on phones, driving too close, not paying attention, maybe we should instead focus on the drivers. Perhaps instead of paying someone for an hour of checking vehicles, we should be insisting on everyone paying for an hour of driving supervision? We all fall into bad habits. The highway code changes. It is mad that I can pass a driving test at 17 and never have a moment of top-up training, ever.

And perhaps we should all be redoing our highway code theory test every few years. Perhaps start with every 10 years, when photocards are due for renewal?

 

[mitzimad]

I'm trying to work out what to spend my 50p a week saving on

 

[nicholsong]

I was mulling the idea of 2-year MOTs while driving along the M5 today.

Given that defective vehicles are responsible for a tiny fraction of road deaths/injuries, maybe the vehicle is not the most dangerous aspect of motoring.

GIven the number of people clearly on phones, driving too close, not paying attention, maybe we should instead focus on the drivers. Perhaps instead of paying someone for an hour of checking vehicles, we should be insisting on everyone paying for an hour of driving supervision? We all fall into bad habits. The highway code changes. It is mad that I can pass a driving test at 17 and never have a moment of top-up training, ever.

And perhaps we should all be redoing our highway code theory test every few years. Perhaps start with every 10 years, when photocards are due for renewal?

I was quite pleased that the travel company that I was driving VW Caravelles for shortly before I retired put us on an Advanced Assessment Course in pairs. Our pair was assessed by a Police driving instructor.

I was chuffed that at the end of the hour we were told 'If everyone on the road drove like you two there would not be many accidents'

I think that soon after that the course was dropped, possibly because our drivers were all being assessed as good and it was a waste of time and money to do everyone.

I put the high standard down to the fact that we were accumulating so much experience over 10 x '000s of miles a year, plus the fact that we were not under time pressure on our schedules, so did not have to cut corners on safety.

I believe that the high level of experience gives one more opportunity to see the mistakes other drivers make and to avoid them.

Professional instructors are free to comment.

 

[bobnick]

Bertie my 50 year old blue car does not legally have to have a MOT, however i have one done every year as i believe a MOT on a older car is more relevant and i think £50 for a comprehensive inspection is well worth it.................especially if one is not that mechanically savvy.

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[gerry mcg]

Sure, BP made decent profits in 2021, but a stonking loss in 2020. Are we going to underwrite the losses too?

If BP made losses in 2020, how / why did it pay dividends to shareholders?

https://www.bp.com/content/dam/bp/business-sites/en/global/corporate/pdfs/investors/bp-cash-dividends-ordinary-shareholders.pdf

 

[jongood]

I was mulling the idea of 2-year MOTs while driving along the M5 today.

Given that defective vehicles are responsible for a tiny fraction of road deaths/injuries, maybe the vehicle is not the most dangerous aspect of motoring.

GIven the number of people clearly on phones, driving too close, not paying attention, maybe we should instead focus on the drivers. Perhaps instead of paying someone for an hour of checking vehicles, we should be insisting on everyone paying for an hour of driving supervision? We all fall into bad habits. The highway code changes. It is mad that I can pass a driving test at 17 and never have a moment of top-up training, ever.

And perhaps we should all be redoing our highway code theory test every few years. Perhaps start with every 10 years, when photocards are due for renewal?

I couldnt agree more, there are a lot more crap drivers than crap cars out there.

e.g. We have some of the busiest motorways in Europe but the test does not involve joining or leaving them; so many drivers dont have a clue.

 

[Tigger-Tim]

If BP made losses in 2020, how / why did it pay dividends to shareholders?

https://www.bp.com/content/dam/bp/business-sites/en/global/corporate/pdfs/investors/bp-cash-dividends-ordinary-shareholders.pdf

Dividends are more complex than sharing out the profit from a single year.

Most large companies aim to keep dividends fairly consistent. If they have a good year, the excess profits will not be distributed to the shareholders but are withheld by the company as retained earnings. If the company makes a loss, the shareholders will still be paid a dividend under the policy.

This regular dividend policy is used by companies with a steady cash flow and stable earnings. Companies that pay out dividends this way are considered low-risk investments because while the dividend payments are regular, they may not be very high.

This stability makes BP shares a good option for individuals and companies wanting a stable return - eg. pension investments.

But even that can change - BP announced a couple of years ago that it would halve its dividends so it could invest more in renewables. https://www.cnbc.com/2020/08/05/bp-ceo-says-dividend-cut-deeply-rooted-in-strategy.html

 

[Ivory55]

I couldnt agree more, there are a lot more crap drivers than crap cars out there.

e.g. We have some of the busiest motorways in Europe but the test does not involve joining or leaving them; so many drivers dont have a clue.

Everyone is a good driver. It’s all the others that are bad. Ask anybody.

 

[Tigger-Tim]

Everyone is a good driver. It’s all the others that are bad. Ask anybody.

My mate used to be head of traffic for one of the police forces. I give him a lift from time to time. He's very good at not criticising, but I do feel under pressure!

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[Jim]

I'm trying to work out what to spend my 50p a week saving on

I have 4 vehicles, so thats two quid a week, whats not to like.

 

[Gaston aires]

I worked from home from 1973 until retirement in 2013. I only ever went to monthly meetings. In all those years I never failed my targets. It worked for me.
Phil

 

[BouncyBoatFolk]

I remember meeting 2 lads at a vw show in the 90's who were from the isle of man. They had an old 1973 type 2 bay . There was no cabfloor in it . Couldn't believe they were driving it like that.

Flintstones, was it Fred and Barni, "yabba dabba don't " ??
Mike.

 

[Tigger-Tim]

I couldnt agree more, there are a lot more crap drivers than crap cars out there.

e.g. We have some of the busiest motorways in Europe but the test does not involve joining or leaving them; so many drivers dont have a clue.

Yep.

The car has to be re-tested every year. The driver, never.

A classic case of looking at the wrong risk.

 

[Coolcats]

I'm trying to work out what to spend my 50p a week saving on

Just put it towards the energy bill or maybe the shopping

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[Bustup15]

Aye they are useless. They were quick enough at taking a direct debit on 1st april for 6 months road tax. I sold the van on the 2nd changed ownership online there and then. V5 out in 4 days but im still waiting on the refund of road tax.

It may be worth checking with the new owner. They issued my refund cheque to the new owner! He was a right old gentlemen who kindly messaged me and then dropped cash off at the house 2 days later.

 

[sonar]

Did you mean to say unnecessary repairs.

A garage I still use now it has changed hands is very good.
the previous owner used to replace most of the light bulbs and wiper blades at EVERY mot.
without consultation.

I the last time I had an mot with him said I did not want to replace any light bulbs or wiper blades.

needless to say it failed it’s mot due indicator bulbs. That’s all of them and wiper blades.

 

[Gromett]

Dividends are more complex than sharing out the profit from a single year.

Most large companies aim to keep dividends fairly consistent. If they have a good year, the excess profits will not be distributed to the shareholders but are withheld by the company as retained earnings. If the company makes a loss, the shareholders will still be paid a dividend under the policy.

This regular dividend policy is used by companies with a steady cash flow and stable earnings. Companies that pay out dividends this way are considered low-risk investments because while the dividend payments are regular, they may not be very high.

This stability makes BP shares a good option for individuals and companies wanting a stable return - eg. pension investments.

But even that can change - BP announced a couple of years ago that it would halve its dividends so it could invest more in renewables. https://www.cnbc.com/2020/08/05/bp-ceo-says-dividend-cut-deeply-rooted-in-strategy.html

Exactly correct . Dividends are paid from the Balance sheet not from the Profit/Loss account.

 

[gpat]

I remember meeting 2 lads at a vw show in the 90's who were from the isle of man. They had an old 1973 type 2 bay . There was no cabfloor in it . Couldn't believe they were driving it like that.

Ha Ha that doesn't surprise me

What odd rules we have!. We allow people from our territories to drive on our roads without an MOT! If they were from another country there would be an outcry

Yes I agree. However it's an offence to drive a vehicle that is not roadworthy in the Isle of Man. The UK police do show interest in an IOM vehicle that looks dodgy

 

[nicholsong]

What odd rules we have!. We allow people from our territories to drive on our roads without an MOT! If they were from another country there would be an outcry

Well one day I may be driving my Polish 'veteran' registered MH in the UK with no 'MOT'. It will be well serviced.

Are you going to make an 'outcry'?

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